'10 FL WR Chris Dunkley

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#76
The problem with Nuke at UT is that UT is going to run a standard offense and it will be hard for Nuke to really excel as a true freshman. He does not know how to run routes and he is not a pure WR right now. He is about 2 years away from seeing the field as an actual WR.
 
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#78
Back2BackGator said:
The problem with Nuke at UT is that UT is going to run a standard offense and it will be hard for Nuke to really excel as a true freshman. He does not know how to run routes and he is not a pure WR right now. He is about 2 years away from seeing the field as an actual WR.
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So you're saying Tennessee's O will help him get ready for the NFL while UF's doesn't?
 
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#79
justingroves said:
So you're saying Tennessee's O will help him get ready for the NFL while UF's doesn't?
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I have no idea how well Tennessee will prepare players for the NFL. What I am saying is that Florida uses athletes like that on a regular basis while Tennessee is more of a conventional/3-yards and a cloud of dust type of offense.
 
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Back2BackGator said:
The problem with Nuke at UT is that UT is going to run a standard offense and it will be hard for Nuke to really excel as a true freshman. He does not know how to run routes and he is not a pure WR right now. He is about 2 years away from seeing the field as an actual WR.
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Any fast freshman can run a fly route past a defender that just bit on the play action fake. This coaching staff will find opportunities for Nuke early in his career before he develops into the kind of complete receiver you are discussing. I don't expect to see him running complex routes this year, but I do expect him to get the ball in space and do something with it.
 
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#83
Back2BackGator said:
I have no idea how well Tennessee will prepare players for the NFL. What I am saying is that Florida uses athletes like that on a regular basis while Tennessee is more of a conventional/3-yards and a cloud of dust type of offense.
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It's funny you say that. The bread and butter of Florida's offense isn't the long bomb to Percy Harvin; it's the 4 yards that they seem to get on every 3rd and 3 when Tebow takes it up the middle (no pun intended). Every play in that playbook is dependent on that that possibility. When Tebow's gone the chickens are going to come home to roost for your beloved gators.
 
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Back2BackGator said:
The problem with Nuke at UT is that UT is going to run a standard offense and it will be hard for Nuke to really excel as a true freshman. He does not know how to run routes and he is not a pure WR right now. He is about 2 years away from seeing the field as an actual WR.
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Dude his biggest role will be as our PR specialist.
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Back2BackGator said:
I have no idea how well Tennessee will prepare players for the NFL. What I am saying is that Florida uses athletes like that on a regular basis while Tennessee is more of a conventional/3-yards and a cloud of dust type of offense.
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I guess Mike Williams, Steve Smith, and Dwayne Jarrett had to wait two years too. Give it a break gator. Nuke and James Green will play and play well. Watch out for Green he will be a big surprise.
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#86
Kiff will find ways to get Nuke and Teague on the field. He will likely give them both 2 types of routes at first to excel at to get them on the field and then give them more later. This is what they did with Mike Williams at USC. That is how you develop players. You don't throw them everything at once. You build and build until the finished product is unstoppable.
 
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#87
Nashvegas31 said:
Kiff will find ways to get Nuke and Teague on the field. He will likely give them both 2 types of routes at first to excel at to get them on the field and then give them more later. This is what they did with Mike Williams at USC. That is how you develop players. You don't throw them everything at once. You build and build until the finished product is unstoppable.
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gators don't understand this. I guess because they don't run real routes.
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#88
There is nothing real complicated here with Nuke.

He's 5'8" tall and extremely elusive with the ball in his hands. He can be roughly the equivalent of a Brandon James returning kicks. Not as muscular as James. Yet.

His routes will be different than a traditional taller pro-style receiver. They will try to use him the same way he would be used in a spread offense. Screens, underneath patterns and quick outs. Basically get him the ball in space and try to fake the defender out of his jock.

As far as limitations, Nuke is going to struggle on longer, more developed routes that require running straight up the field. The strength to gain separation from corners, his limited ability to win jump balls and being a small target work to his disadvantage. Also, while Nuke is plenty fast, his straight line speed is not elite and pretty much the same as the corners he will go up against in the SEC. He won't blow by people on a fly pattern, but will get open deep on the occasional stop and go pattern.

Fiinally, in a run heavy offense, Nuke's blocking ability will be a factor in becoming an every down player.

In UT's basic pro-set, there will be a RB, FB, QB, 5 OL. TE and 2 WR. I see the 2 WR as being the traditional pro-type receivers, 6'0" and above. These guys can block, go deep and be a possession receiver.

I see Nuke as a guy who will see action in passing situations as a 3rd receiver in place of the FB. It's a valuable role that he is well suited to.
 
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#89
19SEP2009 said:
There is nothing real complicated here with Nuke.

He's 5'8" tall and extremely elusive with the ball in his hands. He can be roughly the equivalent of a Brandon James returning kicks. Not as muscular as James. Yet.

His routes will be different than a traditional taller pro-style receiver. They will try to use him the same way he would be used in a spread offense. Screens, underneath patterns and quick outs. Basically get him the ball in space and try to fake the defender out of his jock.

As far as limitations, Nuke is going to struggle on longer, more developed routes that require running straight up the field. The strength to gain separation from corners, his limited ability to win jump balls and being a small target work to his disadvantage. Also, while Nuke is plenty fast, his straight line speed is not elite and pretty much the same as the corners he will go up against in the SEC. He won't blow by people on a fly pattern, but will get open deep on the occasional stop and go pattern.

Fiinally, in a run heavy offense, Nuke's blocking ability will be a factor in becoming an every down player.

In UT's basic pro-set, there will be a RB, FB, QB, 5 OL. TE and 2 WR. I see the 2 WR as being the traditional pro-type receivers, 6'0" and above. These guys can block, go deep and be a possession receiver.

I see Nuke as a guy who will see action in passing situations as a 3rd receiver in place of the FB. It's a valuable role that he is well suited to.
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Now that you've told us about our player go tell this to back2back gator.
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#90
19SEP2009 said:
There is nothing real complicated here with Nuke.

He's 5'8" tall and extremely elusive with the ball in his hands. He can be roughly the equivalent of a Brandon James returning kicks. Not as muscular as James. Yet.

His routes will be different than a traditional taller pro-style receiver. They will try to use him the same way he would be used in a spread offense. Screens, underneath patterns and quick outs. Basically get him the ball in space and try to fake the defender out of his jock.

As far as limitations, Nuke is going to struggle on longer, more developed routes that require running straight up the field. The strength to gain separation from corners, his limited ability to win jump balls and being a small target work to his disadvantage. Also, while Nuke is plenty fast, his straight line speed is not elite and pretty much the same as the corners he will go up against in the SEC. He won't blow by people on a fly pattern, but will get open deep on the occasional stop and go pattern.

Fiinally, in a run heavy offense, Nuke's blocking ability will be a factor in becoming an every down player.

In UT's basic pro-set, there will be a RB, FB, QB, 5 OL. TE and 2 WR. I see the 2 WR as being the traditional pro-type receivers, 6'0" and above. These guys can block, go deep and be a possession receiver.

I see Nuke as a guy who will see action in passing situations as a 3rd receiver in place of the FB. It's a valuable role that he is well suited to.
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So basically a Wes Welker
 
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#91
19SEP2009 said:
There is nothing real complicated here with Nuke.

He's 5'8" tall and extremely elusive with the ball in his hands. He can be roughly the equivalent of a Brandon James returning kicks. Not as muscular as James. Yet.

His routes will be different than a traditional taller pro-style receiver. They will try to use him the same way he would be used in a spread offense. Screens, underneath patterns and quick outs. Basically get him the ball in space and try to fake the defender out of his jock.

As far as limitations, Nuke is going to struggle on longer, more developed routes that require running straight up the field. The strength to gain separation from corners, his limited ability to win jump balls and being a small target work to his disadvantage. Also, while Nuke is plenty fast, his straight line speed is not elite and pretty much the same as the corners he will go up against in the SEC. He won't blow by people on a fly pattern, but will get open deep on the occasional stop and go pattern.

Fiinally, in a run heavy offense, Nuke's blocking ability will be a factor in becoming an every down player.

In UT's basic pro-set, there will be a RB, FB, QB, 5 OL. TE and 2 WR. I see the 2 WR as being the traditional pro-type receivers, 6'0" and above. These guys can block, go deep and be a possession receiver.

I see Nuke as a guy who will see action in passing situations as a 3rd receiver in place of the FB. It's a valuable role that he is well suited to.
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That was an incredibly accurate assessment of Nuke, IMO. I see him in a Desean Jackson (former California WR) mold. Returning punts, long pass plays, screens etc. The coaches will find ways to get him the ball in space where he can use his great elusiveness, and where his size isnt such a detriment.
 
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#92
BuckeyeVols said:
That was an incredibly accurate assessment of Nuke, IMO. I see him in a Desean Jackson (former California WR) mold. Returning punts, long pass plays, screens etc. The coaches will find ways to get him the ball in space where he can use his great elusiveness, and where his size isnt such a detriment.
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He seems more like Jacquez Green to me. He's not as fast as Jackson. But his moves look to be better than Welker's. Also do ýou guys think Welker would be that good without Moss? And what if he was matched up on the No.1 corner every down?
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#93
Getting back to the Dunkley thread. If Dunkley comes to UT, I see him competing to take his good friend Nuke's passing down receiver job. He doesn't have the size of the pro style receiver Kiffin is looking for.

In the spread, Dunkley can be be an every down player.

btw - Nuke needs to add 20-25 pounds and show he can take a lot of licks before he can be compared to Welker. Trivia - Welker kicked a 57 yard FG in high school!
 
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#94
justingroves said:
So you're saying Tennessee's O will help him get ready for the NFL while UF's doesn't?
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Pretty much...NFL teams know FL's track record of WR's. Percy Harvin is being drafted as an athlete, not as a pure WR.
But the statistics don't bode very well for FL WR's, no matter how you slice it.
 
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#95
Lockdown1 said:
He seems more like Jacquez Green to me. He's not as fast as Jackson. But his moves look to be better than Welker's. Also do ýou guys think Welker would be that good without Moss? And what if he was matched up on the No.1 corner every down?
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You ever see Welker play for the Dolphins?

It still amazes me they let him go
 
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#96
Lockdown1 said:
Also do ýou guys think Welker would be that good without Moss? And what if he was matched up on the No.1 corner every down?
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Uhhhh Welker is the perfect slot guy. He's not a #1 WR.
And if you're wasting the #1 CB on a slot guy, than that would let the outside WRs run wild.
 
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#97
bburger991 said:
Uhhhh Welker is the perfect slot guy. He's not a #1 WR.
And if you're wasting the #1 CB on a slot guy, than that would let the outside WRs run wild.
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That's why I don't know why people say oh he's a great player one of the best WRs in the league. But he's not. He lines up on LBs, safeties, or the No.3 corner. Give a guy like Steve Smith these same matchups and would break every receiving record out there. Some people need to realize that he's a bit overrated.
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#98
Ooh ok, I didn't read the rest of it, I just saw that.

I wouldn't say he isn't one of the best WR's in the league, because he's the best slot guy in the league.

But yeah, I wouldn't put him in the same category as Moss, Smith, TO, ..etc
 
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#99
Lockdown1 said:
That's why I don't know why people say oh he's a great player one of the best WRs in the league. But he's not. He lines up on LBs, safeties, or the No.3 corner. Give a guy like Steve Smith these same matchups and would break every receiving record out there. Some people need to realize that he's a bit overrated.
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Two different receivers there.

Smit is a big Play Outside guy, moss is a Slot man. You give welker space in the open across the middle he makes plays.
 
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