'10 FL LB Jeff Luc

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Nope. At the very least we are tied for the lead with Ohio State. He loved his un-official visit for the UT game and Urban is personally recruiting him. His mom really likes coach Meyer.
 
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Voldaddy said:
WTH? "Stiff in the hips, isn't fluid, not a form tackler, not fast twitch."

Are you an NFL scout?

If this kid commits this weekend, you'll be one of the first ones on your knees to introduce him to the Neal and Bob show.

This post has that "Hey little girl, want some candy" feeling. I bet you drive a nondescript white van.
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He knows his stuff... except we all have opinions. No scout sees the same thing. I disagree with Sabanocchio on the form tackling part..

Also, all that doesn't mean he won't be thrilled if he commits. No need to get your panties in a bunch.
 
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Im hearing Hicks will be a gator, or most feel that way. Thats why its so hard to believe the gators could pull Hicks, Powell, and Luc, thats just not fair!
 
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Sabanocchio said:
I gotta disagree with this. I don't think Luc is a guy that will have an immediate impact. Middle linebacker is a tough position to learn in Monte's system and I'm not even sure Luc's skill set fits MLB in a Tampa 2.

I honestly think he may grow into a DE. I just don't see enough from his film to show that he could be more than a blitzer off the edge as a LB. His film reminds me too much of Chris Donald. He looks kind of stiff in the hips and he just bowls people over. He isn't fluid. He's not a form tackler. He's not fast-twitch. He seems to get by because he completely dominates the opposition from an athletic standpoint. That won't cut it when everyone is as athletic as you are. But what do I know?

There are LBs I like much better than Luc. Jordan Hicks, Josh Shirley. We don't have much of a shot at either, but just for comparisons sake...Also Bruce Irvin. I like him better than Luc.

You know how sometimes coaches go after high-profile players just because they are high-profile and can have an impact on the program from a perception point-of-view? (it's talked about in Meat Market) I think this may be one of those cases.
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First off...let me start off by saying that without people like you and others this site wouldn't be what it is....

But some of the comments you made have me seriously puzzled about your evaluations on Luc...

Not a form tackler? This kid is the epitomy of what a form tackler is supposed to be...he squares his shoulders, drops his hips, and explodes up through the man...

Doesn't fit the Tampa 2? I think people get way to caught up in Monte's Tampa 2... What CMK ran at Tampa doesn't apply here like it did in the NFL...and the only time it does is when it is third and long (which a nickel can be brought in)...a certain team (which we won't see majority of the time) or when he is trying to keep everything underneath...

And you say he is not fluid or his hips aren't that good...while I do agree that his hips aren't the best, he has comparable pass defense right now to Reveiz. His speed is ridiculous...which will help with closing on the pass. He also looked a little better in the passing drills as opposed to game tape.

And grow into a DE? Im not sure if you noticed but i think he is ahead of the curve on physical maturity...i don't know if he will "grow" anymore...could be wrong...

Im not saying he starts day 1...he is raw...and i'm not as big on Luc as some of the other ppl on here are...but some of those comments in your original post came out of the field behind left field.
 
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Lord Vader said:
imo Hicks is the best overall LB in this class. But if Luc can learn how to cover the pass and move around the field, he will be ridiculous...
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Exactly. That's what I'm saying. He doesn't show the ability to be a complete linebacker at this point and if he has reached his potential already, then he's not going to be a stud in college like he is in high school.

Don't get me wrong, I would take Luc in a second, I just think he may be overrated and not able to impact a team immediately like some here have suggested. There are several guys I think have better long-term potential.
 
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He is the best hitter, tackler and STRENGTH wise he is an animal. Apart from that he seems average at everything else.
 
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Sabanocchio said:
Exactly. That's what I'm saying. He doesn't show the ability to be a complete linebacker at this point and if he has reached his potential already, then he's not going to be a stud in college like he is in high school.

Don't get me wrong, I would take Luc in a second, I just think he may be overrated and not able to impact a team immediately like some here have suggested. There are several guys I think have better long-term potential.
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I can handle that...I agree with you on early impact...him being an ee will help though...

One thing to consider about luc though...he is still a high school player that has probably never been asked to flip his hips and run in coverage... So he could (i think he will) become an overall LB...

On a side note...you list Shirley as being a better prospect...curious for your reasons? He plays DL in high school...can't even evaluate his LB ability...and he looks very raw in pass coverage too (from rivals camp videos)....
 
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KnoxVegas said:
First off...let me start off by saying that without people like you and others this site wouldn't be what it is....

But some of the comments you made have me seriously puzzled about your evaluations on Luc...

Not a form tackler? This kid is the epitomy of what a form tackler is supposed to be...he squares his shoulders, drops his hips, and explodes up through the man...
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From the film I've seen, he bowls people over. He gets good leverage and explodes through his man, I agree, but I think there is more to the linebacker position than just that. You have to wrap people up. (which he does on occasion, but not every time.) He may get away with that in HS and get burned by it in college. Jerod Mayo was one of the best form tacklers I've ever seen and that dude wrapped up every time. That may end up meaning nothing. It's just something I observed.

I don't consider myself an expert on evaluating linebackers by any means, but I see many of the same things out of Luc that I did Chris Donald, though Luc is much more physically developed at the same point.

Doesn't fit the Tampa 2? I think people get way to caught up in Monte's Tampa 2... What CMK ran at Tampa doesn't apply here like it did in the NFL...and the only time it does is when it is third and long (which a nickel can be brought in)...a certain team (which we won't see majority of the time) or when he is trying to keep everything underneath...
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As a MLB, no. I think he would be better suited as a strongside LB in the Tampa 2. We run 2 deep zone with the MLB dropping into coverage a lot. Not just on first down. His cover skill just seem like a weak area to me. I'll repeat, I'm not saying the dude can't get better, I'm just saying that as of right now, I am not of the opinion he sees immediate playing time. I could be wrong.
And you say he is not fluid or his hips aren't that good...while I do agree that his hips aren't the best, he has comparable pass defense right now to Reveiz. His speed is ridiculous...which will help with closing on the pass. He also looked a little better in the passing drills as opposed to game tape.
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His speed is far from "ridiculous" and is one of the weak aspects of his game. He is explosive, but not overly fast. That fits an inside linebacker to a T in a typical 4-3 system IMO.
And grow into a DE? Im not sure if you noticed but i think he is ahead of the curve on physical maturity...i don't know if he will "grow" anymore...could be wrong...
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I agreed with LV on this point. He probably doesn't grow much more than he already has. It was just a thought. He doesn't quite have the ideal height for end either.
Im not saying he starts day 1...he is raw...and i'm not as big on Luc as some of the other ppl on here are...but some of those comments in your original post came out of the field behind left field.
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That's exactly what I was trying to say. While my observations could be wrong, it's still just an opinion. Luc could very well end up being the best linebacker in this class. I'm just offering my opinion based on what I've seen. I'd take him right now and figure out how he fits later. I think we are of the same conclusion though we may have come by it by different observations.
 
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Sabanocchio said:
As a MLB, no. I think he would be better suited as a strongside LB in the Tampa 2. We run 2 deep zone with the MLB dropping into coverage a lot. Not just on first down. His cover skill just seem like a weak area to me. I'll repeat, I'm not saying the dude can't get better, I'm just saying that as of right now, I am not of the opinion he sees immediate playing time. I could be wrong.
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You may be right on this. Taylor looks like a stud at MLB. Luc on the outside wouldn't hurt my feelings much...
 
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Lord Vader said:
You may be right on this. Taylor looks like a stud at MLB. Luc on the outside wouldn't hurt my feelings much...
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I agree. Taylor is a GREAT fit at MLB. He could be an absolute stud in this system.

EPSN thinks a lot more of Taylor than what Rivals does BTW. I think he gets a fourth star at some point.

Lulz on Wheaton.
 
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I always like a good debate...

I meant his speed was ridiculous for a lb...he is much faster than Hicks...

And yes...when the Monte Tampa 2 is on...the mlb drops very deep into the middle...i was just arguing your original point with him at mlb.

We will just have to agree to disagree on the form tackling debate...

and post your opinion on why shirley is a better lb... he is a tweener imo...
 
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KnoxVegas said:
I always like a good debate...

I meant his speed was ridiculous for a lb...he is much faster than Hicks...

And yes...when the Monte Tampa 2 is on...the mlb drops very deep into the middle...i was just arguing your original point with him at mlb.

We will just have to agree to disagree on the form tackling debate...

and post your opinion on why shirley is a better lb... he is a tweener imo...
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i dont think speed is his forte. maybe for his size.... but not for a LB..
 
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KnoxVegas said:
I can handle that...I agree with you on early impact...him being an ee will help though...

One thing to consider about luc though...he is still a high school player that has probably never been asked to flip his hips and run in coverage... So he could (i think he will) become an overall LB...

On a side note...you list Shirley as being a better prospect...curious for your reasons? He plays DL in high school...can't even evaluate his LB ability...and he looks very raw in pass coverage too (from rivals camp videos)....
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Shirley is two inches taller and faster than Luc. He is fast-twitch and shows more fluidity. I was really impressed with his performance at the USC camp. I think he would be better as a MLB in the Tampa 2. Purely an opinion.
 
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Glutton said:
Taylor is underrated and kind of a mystery to me.
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I agree. I know you can't completely judge a kid based on a few highlights, but his tape is some of the best around. Definitely worthy of a 4th star based on his vids alone.

I'm thinking rivals doesn't like him because of his size, which is ridiculous...but whatever.
 
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Sabanocchio said:
Shirley is two inches taller and faster than Luc. He is fast-twitch and shows more fluidity. I was really impressed with his performance at the USC camp. I think he would be better as a MLB in the Tampa 2. Purely an opinion.
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Recruiting buzz word of the day toilet paper?
 
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I'm a huge fan of Taylor in the Tampa 2. He is going to be an outstanding Linebacker.

Underated? Yes probably. I thought at one time Rivals did have him as a 4* but dropped him at the same time that he was picking up more and more elite BCS offers. Strange. My guess too is that they look too much into his "size".

The kid can flat out play. He has good vision and reacts very well to the play. And he is very physical, a hugely underated attribute these recruiting analysts miss a lot of times when factoring things into their rankings.
 
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Montrell Hardy said:
I'm a huge fan of Taylor in the Tampa 2. He is going to be an outstanding Linebacker.

Underated? Yes probably. I thought at one time Rivals did have him as a 4* but dropped him at the same time that he was picking up more and more elite BCS offers. Strange. My guess too is that they look too much into his "size".

The kid can flat out play. He has good vision and reacts very well to the play. And he is very physical, a hugely underated attribute these recruiting analysts miss a lot of times when factoring things into their rankings.
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He's the unsung hero of this class IMO. I don't care who rates him where, he's a perfect fit for this defense. Very smart player too.
 
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