“It’s such a Peyton Manning-type throw”...Tom Brady on Super Bowl throw

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gordonr24 said:
The thing about Peyton that separates him from others, is that his football IQ is unmatched. He's smarter than The majority of NFL head coaches.
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So is Brady. Belichick and many teammates of Brady's over the years have talked about his photographic memory - he is able to remember a specific detail about a specific play in a game that occurred 8 years ago...and it is something they exploit in that week's game.

Peyton and Brady both will go down as the 2 smartest QBs to ever play, no doubt.

There isn't going to be a parade of Patriots, particularly offensive players, entering the Pro Football Hall of Fame.
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This is absolutely right, which makes what he has done even more impressive. Every offensive player that Brady has won all of these games with, barring Randy Moss and Gronk, are players who would be just "guys" on any other team. Even his offensive line has been makeshift at various points in his career.

Peyton had elite weapons for basically his entire career to get the ball to, as did Montana, Young, and Elway.
 
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05_never_again said:
So is Brady. Belichick and many teammates of Brady's over the years have talked about his photographic memory - he is able to remember a specific detail about a specific play in a game that occurred 8 years ago...and it is something they exploit in that week's game.

Peyton and Brady both will go down as the 2 smartest QBs to ever play, no doubt.



This is absolutely right, which makes what he has done even more impressive. Every offensive player that Brady has won all of these games with, barring Randy Moss and Gronk, are players who would be just "guys" on any other team. Even his offensive line has been makeshift at various points in his career.

Peyton had elite weapons for basically his entire career to get the ball to, as did Montana, Young, and Elway.
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Wes Welker never existed huh? The guy that redefined what a slot receiver is and can be.
 
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pimo1 said:
Wes Welker never existed huh? The guy that redefined what a slot receiver is and can be.
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Stop. Just stop.

Wes Welker's 5th season was his 1st in New England. That season Welker had more catches, yards and touchdowns than his previous 4 seasons combined......and in some categories, it wasn't close. Welker only started 3 games in his first 4 seasons.

He was actually undrafted and signed as a free agent by San Diego. They cut him as a rookie.

This is a classic example of what I am talking about. A player who owes whatever glory he earned to the fact that he played with Tom Brady and then had the good sense to sign on to play for the team QB'd by Peyton Manning.

Put Wes Welker on the Titans for his career and no one would even know his name.

He was easily replaced by a 7th round draft choice that no one would know who he was if he played for the Titans named Julian Edelman.
 
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Matt Cassell went 10-6 with Bradys Pat's when he went down. The Colts were awarded with the top pick the year peyton had his surgery. Mike drop?
 
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16VOLS14 said:
Matt Cassell went 10-6 with Bradys Pat's when he went down. The Colts were awarded with the top pick the year peyton had his surgery. Mike drop?
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Dan Orlovsky and Curtis Painter work as baristas for Starbucks. They have 6 less wins combined as a starting Qb than Tim Tebow.

Matt Cassel Qb'd the KC Chiefs to the playoffs, was selected to the Pro Bowl in 2010, and is still a playing in the NFL.

Oh, the very next season after the Colts went 2-14, they went 11-5 with the #1 pick of the draft Andrew Luck.

Mic drop indeed.
 
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99gator said:
Dan Orlovsky and Curtis Painter work as baristas for Starbucks. They have 6 less wins combined as a starting Qb than Tim Tebow.

Matt Cassel Qb'd the KC Chiefs to the playoffs, was selected to the Pro Bowl in 2010, and is still a playing in the NFL.

Oh, the very next season after the Colts went 2-14, they went 11-5 with the #1 pick of the draft Andrew Luck.

Mic drop indeed.
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The same Chiefs that 49er reject, Alex Smith, has taken to the playoffs several times? And have you noticed lightning struck twice in indy? Luck is pretty good. But you're a gator so I expect nothing but hate on PM from you.
 
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05_never_again said:
I don't care what your natural talent was or how many stats you put up - if you never won a SB, and only made it to a single one in your rookie year, it is extremely difficult to even make a case for them being the greatest of all time.

I know football is a team sport and winning a SB is a team accomplishment, but it is unique in that a single position, QB, has more responsibilities that any other position and is very integral to the success of the team.
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You just decommissioned your own argument with your second paragraph. This is flawed logic. By this logic , Trent Dilfer has a claim to being a great quarterback. I am not casting a vote as to who the best quarterback is , but I believe there can exist multiple great quarterbacks existing simultaneously and measured in different ways. I call this the Quantum QB Theory ...
 
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16VOLS14 said:
The same Chiefs that 49er reject, Alex Smith, has taken to the playoffs several times? And have you noticed lightning struck twice in indy? Luck is pretty good. But you're a gator so I expect nothing but hate on PM from you.
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I don't hate Peyton. Easily one of the best to ever play the game.

But, the 2-14 argument doesn't hold water. All it proves is that his backups sucked.

There is pretty good evidence of that based on....

A. What those guys did the rest of their career.

B. The fact that a rookie QB took the team to an 11-5 record and the playoffs the very next season after going 2-14.

There are other very good arguments for Peyton.
 
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majic73 said:
You just decommissioned your own argument with your second paragraph. This is flawed logic. By this logic , Trent Dilfer has a claim to being a great quarterback. I am not casting a vote as to who the best quarterback is , but I believe there can exist multiple great quarterbacks existing simultaneously and measured in different ways. I call this the Quantum QB Theory ...
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You are conflating "cannot claim to be a great QB without a Super Bowl" with "all QBs who have won a Super Bowl are great," which is not the argument I was making.
 
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99gator said:
I don't hate Peyton. Easily one of the best to ever play the game.

But, the 2-14 argument doesn't hold water. All it proves is that his backups sucked.

There is pretty good evidence of that based on....

A. What those guys did the rest of their career.

B. The fact that a rookie QB took the team to an 11-5 record and the playoffs the very next season after going 2-14.

There are other very good arguments for Peyton.
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Hey 99! Why don't you give us that list of all of the great NFL QBs from your university?:)
 
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05_never_again said:
I think the whole "but he played for 5 head coaches" bit is a little overblown. The only coaching change that was probably a real adjustment for him would be from Mora to Dungy in 2002 since he was still a young player and developing into an NFL QB.

Does anybody really think that Peyton was being coached in any real sense by Caldwell, Fox, or Kubiak? Especially Caldwell or Fox? Peyton was the offensive coordinator of his teams from about 2003 until he retired.
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It's not overblown. The less stability a team has, the harder it is to be successful. The offense is only one portion of a team.
 
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05_never_again said:
You are conflating "cannot claim to be a great QB without a Super Bowl" with "all QBs who have won a Super Bowl are great," which is not the argument I was making.
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yeah , but it works in both directions. The central logic is that the QB is responsible for the Superbowl. The more he has , the greater he is and the less he has the worse he is.

You can find examples in each case. Brady is a great QB , bunch of Superbowls. Marino a great QB , no SB wins. Aikman , great QB . Jim Kelly , also a Great QB.

I dont think that QB like Brady should be diminished because he has a great defensive coach ...likewise I wouldnt diminish Marino because he did not play on a great defensive team. Manning had little or nothing to do with his second SB win ...and likewise had very little to do with the Seattle loss. His team failed system wide.
 
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I've posted this before, but I don't mind doing it again:

Patriots ranking in points allowed during the Brady years:
6, 17, 1, 2, 17, 2, 4, 8, 5, 8, 15, 9, 10, 8, 10, 1
Between 7th and 8th on average.

Colts ranking in points allowed during Peyton's years:
29, 17, 15, 31, 7, 20, 19, 2, 23, 1, 7, 8, 23
Between 17th and 18th on average.
Add in the Denver years: 4, 22, 16, 4
Brings it down to 16th on average.

It makes it much easier on your offense when the defense is that much better.
 
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