Official Global Warming thread (merged)

Mr. hockeyschtick on que with the irony. I've provided numerous sources outside SS. The difference between my references and yours is I understand and fact-check what I'm posting while you just blindly copypaste. That's why I can defend my posts and you can't.



There is a vast scientific consensus; you are being fooled by the exact same tactics used by the tobacco industry to deny the health risks of smoking. Questioning the validity of the data when it’s been reproduced countless times is an accusation of fraud, usually followed by the accusation that scientists are somehow in it for the money, in cahoots with liberals, and/or otherwise pushing some mysterious New World Order agenda. You are, by definition, conspiracy theorists. Embrace it. You’re in good company:

Scientific conspiracy theories
(common ones I asked about in bold)
• The Codex Alimentarius is a plan to poison us all.
• It is only a matter of time before "they" start implanting RFID chips in humans.[1] (As described in the movie Conspiracy Theory starring Mel Gibson.)
• The Moon Landing was a hoax and was staged in a movie set.
• All scientists are trying to foist the false theory of Evolution on the public at the behest of Satan.
• Global warming is a hoax created by the UN and politically funded scientists/environmentalists, aided by Al Gore and many others to put cap and trade in place for monetary gain. See also: Climategate.
• AIDS was created by the CIA and deliberately spread by the WHO via polio inoculations in Africa, to reduce the world population.

• All scientists and politicians are trying to cover up:
o cold fusion.
o that AIDS is not caused by HIV infection.
o that mercury in the vaccines is causing autism.

• The United States is hiding UFO wreckage at Area 51.
• The UFO wreckage theory is used as a smokescreen by the government to cover up the fact that Area 51 is a testing ground for experimental aircraft.
• The United States Department of Defense (DOD) is experimenting with:
o ELF (Extremely Low Frequency) for communications and possibly mind control.
o HAARP (High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program) for possible use in "weather control" as a weapon.
• Green M&Ms (or in Canada, Smarties) contain aphrodisiacs.[2]
• The "Scalar Interferometer" is a powerful scalar wave superweapon that the Soviet Union used for years to modify weather in the rest of the world. See [1], [2]. It taps the quantum vacuum energy, using a method discovered by T. Henry Moray in the 1920s. It may have brought down the Columbia spacecraft [3]. See also [4].
• Water fluoridation is part of an insidious Communist plot to sap and impurify our precious bodily fluids.
• The "Russian woodpecker" over-the-horizon radar signals heard on shortwave radio are actually a Soviet mind control experiment. You can protect your brain by wearing you-know-what.
• The Earth is hollow, with a hole to the "underworld" located in the Arctic regions, protected by the world's superpowers, or flat, with an army of supersoldiers guarding the ice wall around the outside.
• The mass die-offs of honeybees are attributable to megacorporation's desire to control the food supply.
• The US government is operating a Stargate program and that the Iraq War may have been caused because Saddam Hussein had one.[3]
• That ample evidence of alien life and civilization exists in our solar system, but is covered up by NASA. See Mars Anomaly Research.
• Gravity -- the biggest conspiracy of them all. The only way to defy it, is for everyone to stop believing it. That's why birds can fly, no bird believes in it.
• Revolutionary free energy technology is being suppressed by governments and the oil industry.
• It is possible to power a normal car with plain water.
• Similarly, big oil and big science are conspiring to cover up methods of generating abiotic oil.
• The "cure" for cancer actually exists but is being suppressed by the government.
• The vaporous contrails left by commercial jets flying through cold air pockets are actually chemtrails which disperse some form of harmful chemical/biological agent/energy.
• Environmentalists banned DDT on an worldwide scale, which resulted in the deaths of millions in Africa. The liberal media covers for them.
• Project Blue Beam will be used by the antichrist when he comes to the Earth to trick people that Jesus has returned. This tactic was used in Operation Mongoose to brainwash the American troops into overthrowing Fidel Castro

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You're a typical sheep. You have swallowed the blue pill and seem very comfortable with it. That's fine. Many things on this list are called conspiracy theories because there is no evidence that can refute them. So conveniently people who believe everything the government tells them, apply the term conspiracy to anyone who questions things.

Like I said global warming is not scientific law. That is an undeniable fact. I for one believe very little of what I read on the internet. I believe even less when it comes from government stooges. Keep on believing that us humans have had this profound effect on climate.
 
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Sorry about all the graphs and information, but scientific explanations do not fit into sound bites. Did you read the Stewardship and Evangelical Environmentalism links? I'd like to hear y'alls thoughts on that.



You're free to circlejerk, I won't berate you people with science anymore. You're right, I've made my point. If anyone wants to have a real debate about the politics, instead of this fake debate about the science, I'll be happy to partake. But as long as the 'skeptics' just keep posting garbage in this thread I'll only occassionally drop in to ridicule them.

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You're not fooling anyone here, except maybe Velo Vol. I noticed you're using a classic Alinskyite tactic: "ridicule is man's most potent weapon." Anyone who challenges AGW is a scientific illiterate, unintelligent, slack-jawed redneck with a GED. You'll then proceed to mock those who you think aren't as "enlightened" as you are. That's all you've really offered with your photoshops and gif's.

Give it a rest. You lefties are not going to win this debate, although I'll give you some credit. You've managed to fool millions of people into believing this con.
 
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All the memes fit nicely Bart & further put you in the same class as LG. The tin foil hat relates to you more than anyone else, not sure why you don't get that.
 
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Well BartW, you didn't stay gone for long. Did you bring in more food so you can stay longer & never leave?

I said I'd stop berating you with science, but as long as you keep polluting this thread I'll continue mocking you.

Bull****!

Science bad! Ignorance good!

All the memes fit nicely Bart & further put you in the same class as LG. The tin foil hat relates to you more than anyone else, not sure why you don't get that.

Ironic coming from card carrying conspiracy theorists

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I said I'd stop berating you with science, but as long as you keep polluting this thread I'll continue mocking you.



Science bad! Ignorance good!



Ironic coming from card carrying conspiracy theorists

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Even more ironic is a conspiracy theorist thinks he's using science to prove something.
 
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A sociologist surveyed climate science bloggers and published this article in Psychological Sciences:

NASA Faked the Moon Landing,Therefore (Climate) Science is a Hoax: An Anatomy of the Motivated Rejection of Science

In response to ‘skeptic’ complaints of self-selection bias, he repeated the experiment with a third-party professional survey firm who queried a sample representative of the US population (getting the same results):

The Role of Conspiracist Ideation and Worldviews in Predicting Rejection of Science

The results indicated, perhaps not surprisingly, that there is an inverse correlation between espousal of free markets and belief in the scientific consensus on climate change. This free market-dominated rejection of scientific evidence is consistent with denial of important environmental and public health concerns in the past, most notably the link between cigarette smoking and lung cancer and the effects of acid rain on the environment. Once free-market ideologues make up their mind that complete government withdrawal from markets is the only way to ensure prosperity, then it’s not surprising to find them inclined to disbelieve even rigorous scientific evidence that would somehow point to more increased government regulation as a solution. This is of course independent of actual government regulation; all that matters is a belief in future government action. Sadly, the study also found that unfettered belief in free markets seems to make deniers skeptical of any scientific consensus involving the government, no matter what the field of study or the level of rigor. Simply put, ideology trumps facts.

What is much more intriguing is the very modest but positive correlation between rejection of climate change and the presence of a general conspiratorial ideology. People who reject climate change don’t believe equally in all the conspiracy theories listed in the questionnaire, but the general trend seems to hold. One of the common characteristics of most conspiracy theories is the omniscience and power they place in the hands of the government. JFK was apparently assassinated not by a single gunman but by a vast conglomerate primarily involving government agencies. The small group of industrial scientists who denied the link between cigarette smoking and lung cancer pointed to a powerful cabal of government-sponsored scientists who were orchestrating a dedicated effort to discredit tobacco companies. From 9/11 denial to HIV denial, the big nemesis is always the government. Some conspiracies by private corporations (for instance those involving vaccines and autism) are rampant on the left, but these pale in comparison to the number involving the government.

Seen through this lens it’s not surprising to find belief in laissez-faire capitalism tracking well with conspiracy theorizing since proponents of laissez-faire are inherently suspicious of the government. For instance the king of climate change denial, Senator James Inhofe, has constantly called climate change a government-sponsored “hoax”. Inhofe thinks that thousands of scientists all over the world combined with dozens of government agencies have somehow had the brilliance and capability to pull the wool over the eyes of the entire world. Scientists and government officials should feel flattered by the omniscience ascribed to them by climate change denialists if they hadn’t caused so much harm.

Ironically ‘skeptics’ responded by claiming that it’s all part of a conspiracy involving university executives, the media, and the Australian government. This prompted the follow up:

Recursive Fury: Conspiracist Ideation in the Blogosphere in Response to Research on Conspiracist Ideation

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So which is it? Do you acknowledge the correlation between radical free-market fundamentalism, climate denial, and conspiracy theorizing (a trend we see in this thread), or is it all part of a conspiracy?

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A sociologist surveyed climate science bloggers and published this article in Psychological Sciences:

NASA Faked the Moon Landing,Therefore (Climate) Science is a Hoax: An Anatomy of the Motivated Rejection of Science

In response to ‘skeptic’ complaints of self-selection bias, he repeated the experiment with a third-party professional survey firm who queried a sample representative of the US population (getting the same results):

The Role of Conspiracist Ideation and Worldviews in Predicting Rejection of Science



Ironically ‘skeptics’ responded by claiming that it’s all part of a conspiracy involving university executives, the media, and the Australian government. This prompted the follow up:

Recursive Fury: Conspiracist Ideation in the Blogosphere in Response to Research on Conspiracist Ideation

:)

So which is it? Do you acknowledge the correlation between radical free-market fundamentalism, climate denial, and conspiracy theorizing (a trend we see in this thread), or is it all part of a conspiracy?

joseph-ducreux-meme-generator-thats-check-and-mate-785cbd.jpg

OMG. Was this survey passed out at an Occupy Wall Street gathering?

One guy killed JFK. The moon landing was real. Osama was behind 9/11. Sandy Hook was done by one kid who was a psycho. Elvis is dead. Man made "climate change" is real but not to the extent that you or the "scientific community" wants to believe it is or make others believe it is. The FACT is there is nothing man can do that nature (science) can't out do. Volcanic eruption ring a bell?

Climate scientists want to feel important. They are like the short guy at work who is trying to find something wrong that he can point out to everyone to get some acknowledgement. But more often than not he gets laughed at because the "problem" is miniscule and slightly ridiculous. He then skulks off and attempts to rebrand the problem he found elsewhere and begins the quest for attention and self gratification.

Conclusion: Climate scientists got picked last at recess for dodgeball.

Climate scientist bloggers = not real reporters or scientists. Those who can't do teach..those who can't teach blog.


Fyi..quite a few of us work in scientific fields. Want to see some of the secondary surveillance radar beam path analysis I have been running all day long to determine a fix for a blind radar spot near Sanford, Florida?
 
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A sociologist surveyed climate science bloggers and published this article in Psychological Sciences:

NASA Faked the Moon Landing,Therefore (Climate) Science is a Hoax: An Anatomy of the Motivated Rejection of Science

In response to ‘skeptic’ complaints of self-selection bias, he repeated the experiment with a third-party professional survey firm who queried a sample representative of the US population (getting the same results):

The Role of Conspiracist Ideation and Worldviews in Predicting Rejection of Science



Ironically ‘skeptics’ responded by claiming that it’s all part of a conspiracy involving university executives, the media, and the Australian government. This prompted the follow up:

Recursive Fury: Conspiracist Ideation in the Blogosphere in Response to Research on Conspiracist Ideation

:)

So which is it? Do you acknowledge the correlation between radical free-market fundamentalism, climate denial, and conspiracy theorizing (a trend we see in this thread), or is it all part of a conspiracy?

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Serious question Bart. At what point is climate change and man's alleged damage irreversible? Don't give me some long-winded diatribe. How much longer do we have?

Scientists: Global warming risks
 


Lol the butthurt is strong. These authors hit the nail on the head. And it’s not like the correlations were a surprise; prior research shows the same links. Heck this thread alone demonstrates their conclusions:

Market fundamentalists?

I love crazy free market fundamentalist.
Bart, there's no way you're a libertarian.
if you were a libertarian then you would be cool with me/you burning anything because libertarians believe a government does not have the power to limit our activities

Check. Conspiracy theorists? Science denialists?

It is kind of funny you mention DDT. Malaria has killed a lot of people since DDT has been banned.
the ban on DDT was unfounded and that millions have died needlessly of malaria.
Acid rain is going to kill us all!!!
acid rain that could turn you into a zombie
Oh no weed is gonna kill the ozone!
Good news. "Scientists" are concerned about the hole in the ozone again. How much money do I have to forfeit to feel safe once again?
What's wrong with being a creationist? Someone who is skeptical about Darwinism (talk about far-fetched) is not a Creationist. -Sandvol-Proud member of Denier's Club
I am officially a global warming denier and I wear it as a badge of honor

Check check. And that’s only a sample. I’ve tried asking what other ridiculous things y’all believe in, but it seems you’re too embarrassed to answer. You continue to dodge all questions (even those asked by other non-denialist posters). You continue to post innuendo without even trying to support it with facts. That’s the best part – I get mock you with facts. It's hilarious that the "AGW is a hoax" crowd can't accept that they are, by definition, conspiracy theorists.

If you really want answers to your so-called serious questions (doubtful), try answering one of mine for once.

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So now Bart has refrained from using the graphs from obvious biased sources to posting Tyson quotes. Also anyone who questions the findings about global warming has to be a conspiracy theorist.

Don't ask questions. Obey. Believe what any scientist tells you because they are always right. The government has your best interest at heart. As a scientist, whenever you encounter someone who doesn't agree with your findings, default to labeling them as conspiracy theorists. Sounds like your MO Bart.
 
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