Petition to rehire Bruce Pearl

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LWSVOL said:
Sorry.. I didn't realize I apologized for Martin. I've had his chances for survival at 50%.. He has to make tourney or he is in trouble unless the lack of finances curtails things..

I think everyone understands that CCM is on shaky ground
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Sorry, thought you would know I was being sarcastic, should've been clearer or not even have made the post. I've had the same stance as you just laid out, but I know your info is solid.

From what I've gathered there's a lot of trust issues on both ends as you have said, and it's not as simple as Cheek says green light and it's on like some think.

In your opinion if Martin makes the dance is he safe?
 
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OSVolFan said:
If its about dollars, does the fact Bruce grew revenue from 7 million to 38 million over a couple of years mean you have to consider him, should the job become open?? Or was that an erroneous figure from TSR?

Seems like if its about dollars, you likely won't find a better generator of revenue than Bruce. JMO
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If that were true, I can't refute nor do I know if true, then Hart would certainly have that data. I doubt it over rides all the issues between the two sides though.

My point on dollars was more fans getting word into the athletic department. Call and threaten to drop donations and tickets is what they would hear.. this other stuff is just a bunch of noise for them without teeth. JMO
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Sorry, thought you would know I was being sarcastic, should've been clearer or not even have made the post. I've had the same stance as you just laid out, but I know your info is solid.

In your opinion if Martin makes the dance is he safe?
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that seems to be true.. I've learned nothing is a guarantee but it seems he would. Martin is well liked over at the university. they would like to see him succeed.

I've not venture over here since all this has heated up so much. Been busy. Sorry missed your sarcasm...
 
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LWSVOL said:
that seems to be true.. I've learned nothing is a guarantee but it seems he would. Martin is well liked over at the university. they would like to see him succeed.

I've not venture over here since all this has heated up so much. Been busy. Sorry missed your sarcasm...
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Oh no worries. With the high tension on this board I've tried to joke some and lighten the mood, but hasn't really helped.

My thoughts have been the same as what you're saying. I think Hart wants to keep Martin and for him to be here long term, and will look for any reason to keep him. I have said if he makes the dance I think he's brought back and likely given a raise and extension.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
Because one administration thought it was a proving ground doesn't make it a proving ground. Tennessee is the second most winning program in the sec. Because Cheek thought it was (Hamilton was on his way out and was a puppet for Cheek IMO), doesn't make it a proving ground.

You're right, we disagree as to where the program was headed. I don't think Pearl was in desperation mode at all. I think he thought he was bullet proof. I think he got caught up in his success and it jumped up and bit him. I think he was incredibly nieve. He didn't do anything wrong in either the ticket scandal (someone else was responsible for handling the tickets) or the Williams failed drug test (he suspended him, HIPA prevents him from Disclosing failed drug test). The bump violation was protested by UT and it was subsequently removed by the AA.
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As for the first part, regarding the administrations, I never said the admin "thinks". Those are my thoughts, if you hire an unproven coach, which is really all they could do...It is a training ground.

As for the new admin, I guess you mean Hart, if he thinks he can get a better coach, I reckon he'll do what he can do. I know precisely where UT's basketball legacy puts our program nationally. I don't know what that has to do with circumstances surrounding the coach we can attain at any given time. Certainly, our football program is traditionally very good, yet we can't just get our pick of the litter any time we want. Coaching changes don't happen in a vacuum.

I agree with the bullet proof suggestion.

My understanding of what took place regarding the ticket situation and the Williams situation is quite different from your understanding, so on that, I'll agree to disagree.
 
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LWSVOL said:
that seems to be true.. I've learned nothing is a guarantee but it seems he would. Martin is well liked over at the university. they would like to see him succeed.

I've not venture over here since all this has heated up so much. Been busy. Sorry missed your sarcasm...
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If Martin is brought back then TBA will look like a ghost town next season and it will be 20 years to repair the damage if it's even possible.
 
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vol66 said:
As for the first part, regarding the administrations, I never said the admin "thinks". Those are my thoughts, if you hire an unproven coach, which is really all they could do...It is a training ground.

As for the new admin, I guess you mean Hart, if he thinks he can get a better coach, I reckon he'll do what he can do. I know precisely where UT's basketball legacy puts our program nationally. I don't know what that has to do with circumstances surrounding the coach we can attain at any given time. Certainly, our football program is traditionally very good, yet we can't just get our pick of the litter any time we want. Coaching changes don't happen in a vacuum.

I agree with the bullet proof suggestion.

My understanding of what took place regarding the ticket situation and the Williams situation is quite different from your understanding, so on that, I'll agree to disagree.
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Fair enough but do you really think Pearl handed thoses tickets to Scotty Hopson?

Also, I never brought up the current administration so not sure where you got that.
 
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knowthevols said:
If Martin is brought back then TBA will look like a ghost town next season and it will be 20 years to repair the damage if it's even possible.
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Martin isn't as good as he needs to be, but 20 years is laughable. We were in the NCAA tournament 4 years after Wade Houston went 5-22.
 
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The petition should be to fire Jimmy Cheek. That's the first hurdle for athletics. However, I admit to signing the Pearl petition.
 
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knowthevols said:
If Martin is brought back then TBA will look like a ghost town next season and it will be 20 years to repair the damage if it's even possible.
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If you mean to say if Martin is brought back and loses then TBA will look like a ghost town...I agree. The 20 years to repair the damage seems a tad dramatic.

What if he wins? Or are you saying based on what you've seen the past three years, you expect that he has no chance of winning and that the powers that be must also share that opinion?
 
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knowthevols said:
If Martin is brought back then TBA will look like a ghost town next season and it will be 20 years to repair the damage if it's even possible.
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I along with you would be much happier with Bruuuuuuuce than CCM but i must say some (all) of your posts are a bit extreme. Calm yo tits
 
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vols 30 said:
I've been to one game since he was hired. When Bruce was the coach, I went to 5+ every year.
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This. Among many other things, but this too. Martin has very little presence, and in the absence of presence, your wins have to do your talking. We don't have nearly enough wins to do *any* talking. I made it a point to fly back for games and to attend anything in range when Pearl was the coach, but with Martin ... eh. I paid more attention to Buzzball than I do Cuonzonomics. And that's saying something. Which is sad. What I'm saying is that it's sad. And I'm saying rehire Bruce. Please. Even if the team "slips" into the NCAA tournament -- and it will be slipping in the side door if they do -- please, put the program on the right rack. Everyone's taken their punishment. The program Pearl made has been completely demolished by now. The assistants are all, mostly, scattered. It'd basically be starting over, and wasn't that the point? To take away what he'd built and punish him? Well, it's done. And we've spent our years in the wilderness. If it's okay for other schools to hire him, then it is just as okay for us to hire him. So JUST DO IT.
 
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GAVol said:
Martin isn't as good as he needs to be, but 20 years is laughable. We were in the NCAA tournament 4 years after Wade Houston went 5-22.
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It has been 20 years now but I still can't believe that Wade Houston was brought back for the '94 season after failing to make the NCAA Tournament in his first 4 seasons and losing the last game of the '93 season 101-40 (Kentucky) while finishing with a losing record. Were we supposed to get better without Allan? I'm convinced Doug Dickey didn't give a rat's a$$ about men's basketball and if Cuonzo is retained I will start to feel the same way about Dave Hart.
 
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Vol8188 said:
Which has been served. He has no power to go back now and add additional punishments for us hiring Pearl.
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And it was served for nothing as it turns out. I can't believe Slive didn't even add a game on for Frank Haith after the NCAA found he'd lied 3 separate times. Of course the NCAA was running from that investigation as quickly as possible after they screwed it up so badly.
 
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vol66 said:
No, that's not my understanding.

In your previous post you said...
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If Pearl wasn't the one handing out the tickets how do you hold him responsible?

That was referencing the previous administration. We don't know how this AD will respond. Do I have the slightest confidence they will get it right this time, whether it be Pearl or another solid hire? Absolutely not.
 
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vol66 said:
If you mean to say if Martin is brought back and loses then TBA will look like a ghost town...I agree. The 20 years to repair the damage seems a tad dramatic.

What if he wins? Or are you saying based on what you've seen the past three years, you expect that he has no chance of winning and that the powers that be must also share that opinion?
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Anyone that thinks at this point Martin will win at UT next year, the following year, or anytime in the near future is living in a fantasy land. The majority of the fan base has given up on him as they rightfully should. Coach Martin will never be more than a mediocre coach here. The quicker the AD comes to grips with this the quicker we can move on to the next experiment.
 
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Witch Doctor say..
29k keep posting and reposting that petition..Google Bruce Pearl and see how many article have been written about in the last two weeks.(50+).sports board experts are just that ..lol Its working. Its causing multiple news articles and in March it will only explode.Its not about feelings its about business. BUT please keep posting the expertise! freakin Hilarious!!
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Bones never lie
 
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vol66 said:
If you mean to say if Martin is brought back and loses then TBA will look like a ghost town...I agree. The 20 years to repair the damage seems a tad dramatic.

What if he wins? Or are you saying based on what you've seen the past three years, you expect that he has no chance of winning and that the powers that be must also share that opinion?
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Having either watched or listened to the vols in basketball for over 50 years it is obvious to me that we will not get a coach but on par with what we have now. I know some will say look at Green, but Green's success was because of Oneal recruits. Even our best coach in my lifetime before Pearl was an 18.3 game a year winner on average with 22 wins one season his career best.
We are not going to get a proven coach and we will play the guessing game on coaches over and over again so the twenty year statement does hold water. Remember everyone said Martin was a winner when he got here and it turns out he barely knows a basketball is round.
 
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And while there's plenty of talk about a certain former head coach returning, we continue to be told from multiple sources that if a coaching change were made, Tennessee would not pursue Bruce Pearl.
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-VQ
 
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