Petition to rehire Bruce Pearl

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Captain3484 said:
As said numerous times, if this petition is sent to the Ad, all duplicates and ridiculously obvious false names will be deleted. But keep being negative...It's humorous

In order to legitimately sign more than once (to have it counted towards total) you have to create another email address and then resign up for the petition site... Im not saying it's not possible because it is, but it's a process that isn't quick and I doubt too many are doing it.
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I personally counted Ira Washington's name 15 times. I stopped at that point because it was getting silly. There was a female Washington every time his name appeared with him.

Hope someone has fun deleting them.. :)
 
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LWSVOL said:
I personally counted Ira Washington's name 15 times. I stopped at that point because it was getting silly. There was a female Washington every time his name appeared with him.

Hope someone has fun deleting them.. :)
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The list will be exported to a spreadsheet and from there deleting duplicates is easy... Smart-ass
 
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LWSVOL said:
I personally counted Ira Washington's name 15 times. I stopped at that point because it was getting silly. There was a female Washington every time his name appeared with him.

Hope someone has fun deleting them.. :)
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And unless they have 15+ validated email addresses, their signatures don't count towards the total. The only way the signatures count towards total count is if it is a single used validated email.
 
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Captain3484 said:
The list will be exported to a spreadsheet and from there deleting duplicates is easy... Smart-ass
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are you delivering it to Hart?? Would be interested in his reaction..

Wasn't trying to be a smart ass. I apologize if it appeared that way.. apologize for typo in this apology also..
 
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InVOLuntary said:
Are you trying to say Pearl wasn't building something?
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Well if you look at Pearl's record, as a head coach, he's won everywhere he'd been. So, he's one of those few guys that it doesn't take years for. He can take Buzz Peterson's Wingate, Loften and Watson's 42 points per game and figure out how to do better than Peterson.

I meant build in the literal sense, I thought you did too...which I take to mean a coach isn't handed a very good squad and over time he gets his players in and run's his system.

It's one of the things that bothers me. Pearl had 13 years of experience, nearly all of which ended up in positive post season play.

By contrast, Martin had three years of experience, no post season experience.

So, it doesn't seem reasonable to have the same expectation. A handful of coaches can do what Pearl did.

I guess I see your point, that's building too. I'm not sure it would have been built to last, but I do see your point.
 
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LWSVOL said:
the trust factor is huge. CBP doesn't trust Tennessee administration (all still there except Hamilton) and the administration doesn't trust CBP. So how does two sides co-exist when neither trusts the other??
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You're a damn Martin apologist

Clearly the best thing is for hart and the rest of the AD to swallow their pride and do what's best...#BBB
 
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LWSVOL said:
are you delivering it to Hart?? Would be interested in his reaction..

Wasn't trying to be a smart ass. I apologize if it appeared that way.. apologize for typo in this apology also..
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If the position becomes vacant, the petition site and the spreadsheet of signatures will be sent to numerous emails in the AD and admin. I even thought about granting access to others so they can send it as well.
 
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vol66 said:
Well if you look at Pearl's record, as a head coach, he's won everywhere he'd been. So, he's one of those few guys that it doesn't take years for. He can take Buzz Peterson's Wingate, Loften and Watson's 42 points per game and figure out how to do better than Peterson.

I meant build in the literal sense, I thought you did too...which I take to mean a coach isn't handed a very good squad and over time he gets his players in and run's his system.

It's one of the things that bothers me. Pearl had 13 years of experience, nearly all of which ended up in positive post season play.

By contrast, Martin had three years of experience, no post season experience.

So, it doesn't seem reasonable to have the same expectation. A handful of coaches can do what Pearl did.

I guess I see your point, that's building too. I'm not sure it would have been built to last, but I do see your point.
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Most coaches get their experience at smaller schools and work their way up. Whether it's fair to judge Cuonzo after such limited experience is not relative as UT is not the training ground for any coach.

As to Pearl and his building something, I think his consistency Was evidence of building something. If he hadn't screwed up there's no telling where this program would be today.
 
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LWSVOL said:
From what I've gathered, chances are less than 5% that he is hired. I think it I lower than that but with so many fans campaigning for him one has to think a 5% chance.

the trust factor is huge. CBP doesn't trust Tennessee administration (all still there except Hamilton) and the administration doesn't trust CBP. So how does two sides co-exist when neither trusts the other??
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So...the UT AD doesn't want to give the fans (you know, the people who spend their money to pay for fancy stadiums and head coaching salaries) the one thing they overwhelmingly want and agree on.

Good to know. Guess I won't be spending any money on basketball tickets in the near future then. Hope they enjoy the black curtains next season.
 
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LWSVOL said:
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Has to be about the dollars.
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If its about dollars, does the fact Bruce grew revenue from 7 million to 38 million over a couple of years mean you have to consider him, should the job become open?? Or was that an erroneous figure from TSR?

Seems like if its about dollars, you likely won't find a better generator of revenue than Bruce. JMO
 
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Witch Doctor say wait..
I think you are over thinking how a petition like this is valued. Its not like Hart is going to assign a committee like the "hanging chad" going thru this thing scrutinizing every signature..lol. Im sure there are dupes, there always is on things like this.. How its valued its already gotten two or three national articles written about which mean a whole bunch more read and get interested. It gets more asking the same questions? like why cant we have Bruce back. simple and they get involved and talking. grass roots really BUT Witch Doctor curious about the Belle Meade connection..lol(I wont expose you but i caught it, im good at that. lol)
Witch Doctor cant make sign language come thru internet...lol
Bones never lie.
REPOST THAT PETITION!!
 
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InVOLuntary said:
Most coaches get their experience at smaller schools and work their way up. Whether it's fair to judge Cuonzo after such limited experience is not relative as UT is not the training ground for any coach.

As to Pearl and his building something, I think his consistency Was evidence of building something. If he hadn't screwed up there's no telling where this program would be today.
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If the UT athletic department hires a coach with three years of coaching experience, then it is a training ground. If the UT AD hires a guy with three years of experience and no tourney experience, then they probably realize that it's going to be a while before this guy is competing in NCAA tournaments, considering that he's going up against the likes of Cal and Donovan.

I don't blame them for hiring Martin, they had little choice under the circumstances. They can't get experience and they can't take question marks either. That sort of shrinks the pool of viable candidates.

As for Pearl, and I know we will disagree here, it was starting to unravel. The issues were piling up, as were the wins. You can get away with that at a smaller program, maybe, but I think it was just a matter of time. Eleven of the guys he brought in got into trouble, dismissed or transferred under unpleasant circumstances, or some combination of those things. I don't believe you can sustain a program building that way and if you are going to build it that way, you better have control of the reins.

I think the mistakes Pearl made at the end show a certain desperation, I don't mean the BBQ or the lie, because that's not why he got fired. The bump, the ticket deal and Brian Williams all happened after the confession. The cumulative effect was too much.

He's a great basketball coach, great promoter, wins a load of games. There's more to being a college coach than that.

If he ends being the coach again, I'll support the team as I do for Martin or any of the other coaches. Just seems like some folks, not talking about you, only remember the wins. Pre-NCAA, there was quite a bit of negativity surrounding, not just basketball team, but the entire AD. I hope that's not the price we have to pay again to get into a basketball tournament or a bowl game.
 
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Witch_Doctor said:
Witch Doctor say wait..
I think you are over thinking how a petition like this is valued. Its not like Hart is going to assign a committee like the "hanging chad" going thru this thing scrutinizing every signature..lol. Im sure there are dupes, there always is on things like this.. How its valued its already gotten two or three national articles written about which mean a whole bunch more read and get interested. It gets more asking the same questions? like why cant we have Bruce back. simple and they get involved and talking. grass roots really BUT Witch Doctor curious about the Belle Meade connection..lol(I wont expose you but i caught it, im good at that. lol)
Ps The number cleaned up IF that mattered, would be the number turned into the administration..after purged, so its 27000 after purging..lol,Witch Doctor cant make sign language come thru internet...lol articles are written because of the number. turning it in? you can do that to I guess. ?
Bones never lie.
REPOST THAT PETITION!!
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ps 30K after purging by March! lol
 
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Vols4us said:
Bobby Petrino to UL again = Winning.

Frank Haith to Mizzou = Winning

Bruce Pearl to UT again = Winning.

Before the "one had no NCAA issues and the other did" crowd starts on Bobby P: he hired his mistress for a job that was less qualified than other applicants while authorizing funds usage by her that was athletic department money. All of which involved lying to his superiors, family, fans, etc. Apparently that is not an NCAA violation to be unethical, financially corrupt and lack moral conviction - because there are no regs to handle it. Unless you are Penn State and the crime is so blatantly sick and perverted you can suddenly find some that will work. Adultery is OK apparently. Just us good ole boys you know.

Frank Haith throws cash at a convicted Ponzi scheme con (Shapiro) that owned Miami's athletics. Frank passed some cash through an assistant to the tune of at least $10,000 and probably more that was not in the final ruling to buy Shapiro's silence on illegal recruiting activities and contributions to the program. That sure appears highly corrupt, illegal, and morally wrong. It also involved cover-ups and lying. He gets a 5 game suspension. Still making his millions and working.

So let's cut the crap. Pearl got caught doing far less than those two, eventually owned it publicly, and has done his time openly and with great class. Yet those two have coaching jobs at high level schools; one only missed 5 games of time while the other went into self imposed exile for far less time than Pearl has served.

So you may say that both of them ended up coaching at different schools. Except Bobby P ended up back at the school that he did his best work. Somehow they forgave him for voluntarily leaving and all of his many "indiscretions" in a variety of subjects and places. Haith knew Miami was tubing under tons of football and basketball violations - so he took off and got a good gig somewhere else. Yet, we as fans and financial supporters of UT are supposed to believe that Bruce should not be allow to be our coach again. He did something so wrong and hideous that it cannot be forgiven. How ridiculous as well as sanctimonious by a lot of hypocritical people.

Empty seats are the answer. Just like it has been in football.
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Haith's winning? That team's gotten worse and worse under him, in only what 2-3 years.
 
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vol66 said:
If the UT athletic department hires a coach with three years of coaching experience, then it is a training ground. If the UT AD hires a guy with three years of experience and no tourney experience, then they probably realize that it's going to be a while before this guy is competing in NCAA tournaments, considering that he's going up against the likes of Cal and Donovan.

I don't blame them for hiring Martin, they had little choice under the circumstances. They can't get experience and they can't take question marks either. That sort of shrinks the pool of viable candidates.

As for Pearl, and I know we will disagree here, it was starting to unravel. The issues were piling up, as were the wins. You can get away with that at a smaller program, maybe, but I think it was just a matter of time. Eleven of the guys he brought in got into trouble, dismissed or transferred under unpleasant circumstances, or some combination of those things. I don't believe you can sustain a program building that way and if you are going to build it that way, you better have control of the reins.

I think the mistakes Pearl made at the end show a certain desperation, I don't mean the BBQ or the lie, because that's not why he got fired. The bump, the ticket deal and Brian Williams all happened after the confession. The cumulative effect was too much.

He's a great basketball coach, great promoter, wins a load of games. There's more to being a college coach than that.

If he ends being the coach again, I'll support the team as I do for Martin or any of the other coaches. Just seems like some folks, not talking about you, only remember the wins. Pre-NCAA, there was quite a bit of negativity surrounding, not just basketball team, but the entire AD. I hope that's not the price we have to pay again to get into a basketball tournament or a bowl game.
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Because one administration thought it was a proving ground doesn't make it a proving ground. Tennessee is the second most winning program in the sec. Because Cheek thought it was (Hamilton was on his way out and was a puppet for Cheek IMO), doesn't make it a proving ground.

You're right, we disagree as to where the program was headed. I don't think Pearl was in desperation mode at all. I think he thought he was bullet proof. I think he got caught up in his success and it jumped up and bit him. I think he was incredibly nieve. He didn't do anything wrong in either the ticket scandal (someone else was responsible for handling the tickets) or the Williams failed drug test (he suspended him, HIPA prevents him from Disclosing failed drug test). The bump violation was protested by UT and it was subsequently removed by the AA.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
You're a damn Martin apologist

Clearly the best thing is for hart and the rest of the AD to swallow their pride and do what's best...#BBB
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Sorry.. I didn't realize I apologized for Martin. I've had his chances for survival at 50%.. He has to make tourney or he is in trouble unless the lack of finances curtails things..

I think everyone understands that CCM is on shaky ground
 
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LWSVOL said:
Sorry.. I didn't realize I apologized for Martin. I've had his chances for survival at 50%.. He has to make tourney or he is in trouble unless the lack of finances curtails things..

I think everyone understands that CCM is on shaky ground
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He was kidding lws

Curious though, does the Nike money make it easier to end the Martin experience?
 
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