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BadJerry20 said:
Ftr 2 years ago the TWolves had 2 guys play over 60 games, last year 8 guys played 60. So overall health was better last year. How you can dismiss last year because of injuries but bring up 2 years ago is ridiculous.
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2 years ago the NBA season was 66 games long. :crazy:
 
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n_huffhines said:
Love missed 11 games that season and it would take too much time to figure out if that overlapped with Rubio missing.

Yeah, 82 is a significant sample. The standard minimum in the science of statistics is 40 observations (or 40 games for our purposes). The more observations, the more significance increases. Like I said, I take the 9 games with a grain of salt. I don't know what you're crying about.
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You compared last year win % with him to this years win % without him. Thats a stupid argument, It's not the even the exact same team. The present team is 80.8 with and 66.7 without its not rocket surgery. But comparing this year doesn't help your argument, comparing last year does.
 
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BadJerry20 said:
You compared last year win % with him to this years win % without him. Thats a stupid argument, It's not the even the exact same team. The present team is 80.8 with and 66.7 without its not rocket surgery. But comparing this year doesn't help your argument, comparing last year does.
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Dude. STATISTICAL SIGNIFICANCE!

If we were having this conversation yesterday we'd be talking about the Thunder having a .750 win % without Westbrook. We have to let it play out.

BTW, wouldn't you consider them a better team with Martin? The point is teams can have hot or cold streaks that last for 26 games (I believe the Heat won 29?), but over 82 games it's not a streak anymore...it's just what they do.

Rocket surgery was a joke?
 
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n_huffhines said:
Dude. STATISTICAL SIGNIFICANCE!

If we were having this conversation yesterday we'd be talking about the Thunder having a .750 win % without Westbrook. We have to let it play out.

BTW, wouldn't you consider them a better team with Martin? The point is teams can have hot or cold streaks that last for 26 games (I believe the Heat won 29?), but over 82 games it's not a streak anymore...it's just what they do.

Rocket surgery was a joke?
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You say 40 games is statical significance, yet you compared 9 games this year to 82 last year. Comparing 9 games to 26 of the same team makes more sense than 9-82 with different players. Does it not?

No I don't, Lamb is improving, Jackson is improving, Adams is giving them solid minutes off the bench. Overall the team is better and deeper than they were last year.

Yeah I always say rocket surgery.
 
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BadJerry20 said:
You say 40 games is statical significance, yet you compared 9 games this year to 82 last year. Comparing 9 games to 26 of the same team makes more sense than 9-82 with different players. Does it not?

No I don't, Lamb is improving, Jackson is improving, Adams is giving them solid minutes off the bench. Overall the team is better and deeper than they were last year.

Yeah I always say rocket surgery.
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No. Both are flawed in different ways. The 26 games is a small sample size so it could be a fluke result, but it is with this year's team. 82 games is not a fluke, but it is with last year's team, which was slightly different. The biggest problem is the 9 games being way too small of a sample size.

We can't really conclude anything, but it gives us an idea. Again, if you are taking him away and replacing him with D-Fish, it's a no-brainer that you'd want him, but if you could trade him for a guy like Conley and still afford another player, that's the best thing that could happen to OKC, IMO.

IMO, Jackson is giving them exactly what he gave last year. I agree that Lamb is playing a lot better (and he's actually getting minutes), but I don't know that he's as good as Martin yet.
 
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n_huffhines said:
No. Both are flawed in different ways. The 26 games is a small sample size so it could be a fluke result, but it is with this year's team. 82 games is not a fluke, but it is with last year's team, which was slightly different. The biggest problem is the 9 games being way too small of a sample size.

We can't really conclude anything, but it gives us an idea. Again, if you are taking him away and replacing him with D-Fish, it's a no-brainer that you'd want him, but if you could trade him for a guy like Conley and still afford another player, that's the best thing that could happen to OKC, IMO.

IMO, Jackson is giving them exactly what he gave last year. I agree that Lamb is playing a lot better (and he's actually getting minutes), but I don't know that he's as good as Martin yet.
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It doesn't make more sense to compare 9-26 of the same team, than 9-82 of a team with a few different players? Lol You can admit you're wrong it's ok.

Idk what Conley and another player has to do with anything. You stated they win about the same without Russ as they do with him. Not if you add and subtract players. So that's pointless.

3% .231-.326 ft% 83.9-85.7, rebs 2.4-3.7, asts 1.7-3.7, pts 5.3-13. That's exactly the same? Forget the numbers for a minute. His confidence has improved, his shooting has improved, his d has improved, his ability to run the offense has improved.

I watch a ton of OKC games, they are better and deeper team this year than they were last year. Lamb isn't as good as Martin. But what him, Jackson, and Adams give off the bench makes them better right now and is huge for this team going forward.
 
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If you would have just said the sample size is too small I wouldn't have argued. Hell I only post it to mess with you. I took issue with you comparing it to last year, cause it made no sense at all.
 
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Statistically speaking, Reggie Jackson has improved in a few categories (particularly scoring), but his rebounding is down (not a big deal) and his turnovers are up a significant margin (33%). Hence, why I think he's doing about the same.

He's improved by 0.8 assists per 36, but turnovers are up 1.0 per 36. Not a good tradeoff at all.
 
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I'm willing to bet 98% of people would agree comparing 26 with this year against 9 without this year with the same team. Makes a lot more sense than 9 without this year against 82 last year with a slightly different team.

Edit: I can't compare 9 to 26 with the same team, but I can compare 9 to 82 with a slightly different team is ludicrous
 
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n_huffhines said:
Statistically speaking, Reggie Jackson has improved in a few categories (particularly scoring), but his rebounding is down (not a big deal) and his turnovers are up a significant margin (33%). Hence, why I think he's doing about the same.

He's improved by 0.8 assists per 36, but turnovers are up 1.0 per 36. Not a good tradeoff at all.
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Watch him play, and tell me he's the same player.
 
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I'm not saying he's the same player as last year...I'm saying he's equally productive. The manner in which he is producing has changed. I thought he was good last year, when other people didn't seem to think so.
 
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BTW, this is crazy. D-Wade takes 7 steps and no travel is called....he still ends up turning it over. Ball don't lie

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHPdN-JzuDw[/youtube]
 
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n_huffhines said:
I'm not saying he's the same player as last year...I'm saying he's equally productive. The manner in which he is producing has changed. I thought he was good last year, when other people didn't seem to think so.
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Oh my bad, I took your post about him being the exact same, not as a numbers thing. He was alright last year, just looked lost sometimes, he taken a couple steps forward this year. IMO
 
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n_huffhines said:
BTW, this is crazy. D-Wade takes 7 steps and no travel is called....he still ends up turning it over. Ball don't lie

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/v/FHPdN-JzuDw[/youtube]
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Surprised they didn't allow him to call his own foul, and head to the line per usual.
 
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BTW, I don't know why I just thought of this, and maybe I'm playing with fire because we could end up going over the same points again, but it helps illustrate my point that the Thunder going 21-5 is flukey....that puts them on pace for 66 wins...their best season ever is 60 wins.
 
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I don't see the logic behind that at all. Teams can win more games, I've said this team is just better than last years. Teams improve their wins totals all the time. 92-93 Seattle won 55 games, the next year they won 63. The only real change Iirc was McKey for Detlef. Was that a fluke? I could research and find teams that won more games every year with little change. Sorry but that argument just doesn't make sense.
 
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Nvm I don't care to argue over this. If you don't think a team can improve 6 games with minor tweaks and players improving, I don't know what to tell you honestly.
 
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They can, but I don't think Lamb makes them 6 wins better than with Martin.

BTW, Detlef was an amazing player, IMO.
 
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n_huffhines said:
They can, but I don't think Lamb makes them 6 wins better than with Martin.

BTW, Detlef was an amazing player, IMO.
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It's not Lamb for Martin its...
KD is a little better (ball handling, passing and defense) Russ has been playing smarter and playing more of a team game, Jackson improving and getting more minutes, Lamb improving, plus Adams giving them a solid 15-18 down low. Per 36 Adams gives 10-10 and 2 blocks. Only subtracting Martin. It seems perfectly logical when you factor everything in.

Detlef was awesome, but McKey was a little underrated. But there are tons of examples, I'm just a Sonics/Thunder fan so that one popped in my head.
 
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KD is doing damn near the impossible this year and last...I'm not sure he can ever play better than he has played the last 2 seasons.

Adams is good. I also like what Perry Jones has given them so far.

Ibaka and Sefolosha have seemed to regress. Westbrook's assist rate is the same, his turnovers are way up, while his # of FGA per minute are up, and his points per shot are down. Not my idea of team ball.

I agree that a team can get better without adding anybody, but I don't think they did. Just my opinion, I'm not basing that on stats.

Sadly we'll never settle this because Westbrook getting hurt taints the season result. If they only win 55, it doesn't mean anything because Westbrook missed games.

Say he comes back and they only win 70% of those games we will still question whether or not he's totally healthy.
 
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n_huffhines said:
KD is doing damn near the impossible this year and last...I'm not sure he can ever play better than he has played the last 2 seasons.

Adams is good. I also like what Perry Jones has given them so far.

Ibaka and Sefolosha have seemed to regress. Westbrook's assist rate is the same, his turnovers are way up, while his # of FGA per minute are up, and his points per shot are down. Not my idea of team ball.

I agree that a team can get better without adding anybody, but I don't think they did. Just my opinion, I'm not basing that on stats.

Sadly we'll never settle this because Westbrook getting hurt taints the season result. If they only win 55, it doesn't mean anything because Westbrook missed games.

Say he comes back and they only win 70% of those games we will still question whether or not he's totally healthy.
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Agree on KD though I think he has slightly improved this year.

Adams has been a surprise, I really like him going forward. Perry is getting there slowly, he has a ton of raw talent though.

I agree on Serge, I've harped on it before and I will again. He loves his jumper to much, he seems to work on improving that and nothing else. Thabo is Thabo limited offensively, strong defender almost a more athletic Bruce Bowen.

Don't get me wrong Russ still has his Russ moments, and is still going to get his. He just does a better job getting in the flow of the game. He tries to get teammates involved more and not dominate the ball as much. Not saying he won't go wtf some but not as much. His d seems better, his rebounding has been excellent. Lets be honest he's a 2 being forced to play the 1, he's still learning. But I see improvement when I watch him.

Last couple years the bench killed them. Now if you wanted just a bench 5. Jackson, Lamb, Perry, Nick and Adams is a really solid bench. Now Martin is better than any one of those guys but this years bench as a whole is much stronger. I honestly think this could be the strongest top to bottom team they've had. Hopefully we get to find out come playoff time.

If he comes back and they stumble I won't blame his injury. I'm a "if they're playing it's not an excuse" type of guy.

I do think dismissing it as flukey isn't true, its just 6 games if it was 12 or so I'd agree.
 
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