'14 TN DB Rashaan Gaulden (UT Signee 2/5/14)

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I agree with bruin here you can't completely throw out the recruiting sites and their info. They will miss on a few guys but so do most coaching staffs. Some times it's all about what system kids go into and how they fit. Yes there are way too many politics that affect certain rating but overall they are a good measuring stick.

What I agree is a sham is that they would say Gaulden has 5 star potential but he didn't play last year so they can't rank him that way. That's stupid. If you see it now then that's all that matters.
 
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mreynoldsdvm said:
Ok, bruin. Whatever dude! You win! You keep changing your tune. You said in your prior post that the top 10 in recruiting rankings usually look very similar to the top 10 rankings. I just showed you 5 teams out of that top 10 who usually don't sniff the top 10 in recruiting rankings. I showed you many more who are in the top 25. So, my point is that there is a mixed bag of teams in the top 10 and top 25, whose classes cover a very broad spectrum in the recruiting rankings.
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Try ignore. More peaceful.
 
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Nashvegas31 said:
What I agree is a sham is that they would say Gaulden has 5 star potential but he didn't play last year so they can't rank him that way. That's stupid. If you see it now then that's all that matters.
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I would agree with this. It happens all the time, especially in basketball. If a kid is a 5 star he's a 5 star whether he played last year or not.
 
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BruinVol said:
If recruiting at a high level per the rankings didn't directly effect results on the field I would agree. However programs that win recruiting championships are winning championships on the field so its very hard to argue rankings don't matter.
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Correlation does not mean causation.
 
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Burger said:
Correlation does not mean causation.
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Name me the best 2 teams in every conference over the past 5 years and I bet many more times than not those same 2 teams were at the top of their respective conferences in recruiting rankings.

I am not saying the rankings are always spot on for each player but as a whole they are a HUGE a predictor of elite success for teams.
 
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BruinVol said:
Name me the best 2 teams in every conference over the past 5 years and I bet many more times than not those same 2 teams were at the top of their respective conferences in recruiting rankings.

I am not saying the rankings are always spot on for each player but as a whole they are a HUGE a predictor of elite success for teams.
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The Big 12 and PAC 12 don't follow this logic.
 
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BruinVol said:
Check the rankings.

Nationally it doesn't equate I agree but the top programs in those conferences are also tops in recruiting
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I just did. USC and Texas have finished #1 the last 5 years in recruiting in conference and have 1 conference championship combined over that time.

They had each been in the bottom half of the conference multiple times in that span.
 
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volfanngaytorland said:
I just did. USC and Texas have finished #1 the last 5 years in recruiting in conference and have 1 conference championship combined over that time.

They had each been in the bottom half of the conference multiple times in that span.
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Oklahoma is clearly the best program over the past 5 years in that league

Texas might be 2nd I would have to count wins to varify but I would guess they are 2nd in that 5 year span
 
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BruinVol said:
Oklahoma is clearly the best program over the past 5 years in that league

Texas might be 2nd I would have to count wins to varify but I would guess they are 2nd in that 5 year span
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I'm not gonna argue with you, just pointing out your assertion that the top 2 teams in recruiting more often than not finish in the top 2 in conference was factually incorrect in the PAC 12 and Big 12.
 
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volfanngaytorland said:
I'm not gonna argue with you, just pointing out your assertion that the top 2 teams in recruiting more often than not finish in the top 2 in conference was factually incorrect in the PAC 12 and Big 12.
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Of course they don't always finish in the top 2 but their chances are damn sure better.


Texas has 40wins and played for a national championship in that 5 year span. There may very well be another big 12 team win more games in that time than just Oklahoma. I havnt checked
 
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BruinVol said:
Of course they don't always finish in the top 2 but their chances are damn sure better.


Texas has 40wins and played for a national championship in that 5 year span. There may very well be another big 12 team win more games in that time than just Oklahoma. I havnt checked
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More often than not means > 50%, no?

I'm on your side in this whole argument by the way, just want to make sure the facts are correct. :)

You absolutely need top 10 classes in the SEC
 
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volfanngaytorland said:
More often than not means > 50%, no?

I'm on your side in this whole argument by the way, just want to make sure the facts are correct. :)

You absolutely need top 10 classes in the SEC
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Name top two programs in each conference over past 5 years and yes way more than half were also at the top of their leagues in recruiting rankings

Wisconsin only one I can think if that wasn't at top in recruiting.

Stanford even led the PAC 12 in recruiting in 2012.
 
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BruinVol said:
Name top two programs in each conference over past 5 years and yes way more than half were also at the top of their leagues in recruiting rankings

Wisconsin only one I can think if that wasn't at top in recruiting.

Stanford even led the PAC 12 in recruiting in 2012.
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Bruin, I don't think you're listening.

Go back to your original assertion then look at who has finished in the top 2 of each conference over the past 5 years. It was factually incorrect.

You can spin the argument as many different ways as you want, but my original response still stands.

Have a happy turkey day y'all, don't eat too much
 
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Lsu/Bama

FSU/Clemson

Ohio state/Wisconsin

Oklahoma/Texas

Stanford/Oregon/USC (didn't count wins to decide top 2)


All but Wisconsin have been at the top of their conferences in recruiting the past 5yrs.

That's the point I am trying to make. You have to be at the top of your league in recruiting to be a premier member in that league
 
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volfanngaytorland said:
Bruin, I don't think you're listening.

Go back to your original assertion then look at who has finished in the top 2 of each conference over the past 5 years. It was factually incorrect.

You can spin the argument as many different ways as you want, but my original response still stands.

Have a happy turkey day y'all, don't eat too much
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I posted overall best 2 programs from each league over the 5 year time span. Sorry for the confusion
 
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BruinVol said:
Lsu/Bama

FSU/Clemson

Ohio state/Wisconsin

Oklahoma/Texas

Stanford/Oregon/USC (didn't count wins to decide top 2)


All but Wisconsin have been at the top of their conferences in recruiting the past 5yrs.

That's the point I am trying to make. You have to be at the top of your league in recruiting to be a premier member in that league
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I doubt anybody will argue with this. I'm sure not.

Every couple years you might have an outlier, but over time recruiting near the top matters.
 
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volfanngaytorland said:
I doubt anybody will argue with this. I'm sure not.

Every couple years you might have an outlier, but over time recruiting near the top matters.
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And you are exactly correct the big 12 is where that outlier comes from.

PAC 12 still hasn't sent a complete outlier to the rose bowl
 
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Being in the top two in each major conference will be the key to the NC as the playoff system develops. To get there consistently will require top 10 recruiting classes. To get there occasionally probably only requires top 25 classes consistently. The key to getting there is obviously the coaching staffs. Some are better than others at the various aspects of their roles.

We have a FF and a RF. It would be nice to have Coaching Forum where this could be debated. At least add it as a major thread in here.

Gaulden will be a 5 star stud at UT. Period.
 
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