Martin really isn't that bad

#101
#101
BigZiti09 said:
He said something to the effect of "If the fans don't like it, they can go to Walmart" that didn't sit well with the fanbase.

Underachieved in the NCAA tourney. He had some of the best rosters ever assembled at UT. Check the 99-00 roster for an example.

I think he did something with Oregon or Oklahoma. Not sure he ever coached again.
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K-mart. There's a difference...lol.
 
#102
#102
walkenvol said:
I remember the teams with Harris and Hathaway along with the NCAA tourney exits. Seemed like the regular 20 win seasons would have gotten him more time unless something bad happened behind the scenes.
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Rumors of this but never verified.
 
#104
#104
walkenvol said:
I still don't understand the economics of this decision. With the size of the arena and fan base, the economic swing between a struggling UT team and a highly successful one would more than pay for a $4 million a year coach.
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Football reigns supreme. I will speculate that since Pearl was basically responsible for all the upgrades and recent recognition, the AD may have invested more money in a bigger replacement IF the football program were in good shape. They will put 100% of their efforts towards football in such conditions 100% of the time.
 
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walkenvol said:
I still don't understand the economics of this decision. With the size of the arena and fan base, the economic swing between a struggling UT team and a highly successful one would more than pay for a $4 million a year coach.
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Football's king in the south. Seems to be an either / or situation to me. Either a school goes all in with either football or basketball. Ohio State might be the most obvious exception, but if it came down to it, football is the main driver there.
 
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walkenvol said:
I still don't understand the economics of this decision. With the size of the arena and fan base, the economic swing between a struggling UT team and a highly successful one would more than pay for a $4 million a year coach.
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They'd rather sink that money into the cash cow (football). Economically, that does make sense, being that we stand to profit more from a successful football program vs a successful basketball program.

Like I said, we have all the tangible facets to be successful in basketball (elite facilities, decent recruiting base like Atlanta, now Nashville, and other areas of the South, decent fan support during the good times), we just refuse to pay anyone to run the show until they've proven they can make it profitable.
 
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MannyD said:
Football's king in the south. Seems to be an either / or situation to me. Either a school goes all in with either football or basketball. Ohio State might be the most obvious exception, but if it came down to it, football is the main driver there.
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For the same reasons I stated in my last post, what do you think UF would have done if for some reason Donovan left or got fired when they were killing it in football a few years ago? They are definitely a football first school like us, but since they had stability in that program, and success with BD, they are maybe in a better position to throw some major cash at a hypothetical basketball replacement?
 
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#108
MannyD said:
Football's king in the south. Seems to be an either / or situation to me. Either a school goes all in with either football or basketball. Ohio State might be the most obvious exception, but if it came down to it, football is the main driver there.
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Florida and Texas are about the only ones in the South. Michigan and OSU in the Midwest.
 
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#109
Chris4Vols22 said:
For the same reasons I stated in my last post, what do you think UF would have done if for some reason Donovan left or got fired when they were killing it in football a few years ago? They are definitely a football first school like us, but since they had stability in that program, and success with BD, they are maybe in a better position to throw some major cash at a hypothetical basketball replacement?
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Yeah, I considered Florida when I made the statement about Ohio St. being an exception. I've never done any personal research on it, but I've always heard that there's an amount of fan apathy surrounding that program relative to the success they've had.

They'd be in a better place to hire a big name coach than UT would simply given their past success and national brand. But I think a decision like that comes down to return on investment, and a school like Florida (and UT, for that matter) would see a greater return in football than any other sport. For that reason, I don't think they'd move on a big target like a Calipari or Self. Florida would, however, be able to pull a guy like Shaka Smart relatively inexpensively, and that would probably satisfy their program needs.
 
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#111
BadJerry20 said:
Michigan St and even more so UofL does a good job of both. Hell UofL is pretty good at everything honestly.
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Yes. UofL is traditionally a basketball school and their success in football is relatively new to them.

MSU is a pretty decent football program.

I wouldn't put either on the same level as OSU or Florida overall right now, but both are good examples that both sports can be successful.
 
#112
#112
Jeez, sometimes you just get out coached. Yes, the Xavier game was sloppy but so was the game against Oakland years ago with Pearl.

Number 7 ranking, we just had beat Villanova, VCU and Pittsburgh, we had Tobias and Scotty and we were playing at TBA. We lost to Oakland. Sometimes there's just some ugly games. It's a part of losing.
 
#113
#113
cncchris33 said:
Yes. UofL is traditionally a basketball school and their success in football is relatively new to them.

MSU is a pretty decent football program.

I wouldn't put either on the same level as OSU or Florida overall right now, but both are good examples that both sports can be successful.
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I just meant right now, and right now UofL is better than Florida at both. Defending NC and a BCS win over Florida.
 
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#114
Also I hate UofLs success because I have to hear about it everyday, they are still more reasonable than UK fans though. Lol
 
#115
#115
iKrager said:
Jeez, sometimes you just get out coached. Yes, the Xavier game was sloppy but so was the game against Oakland years ago with Pearl.

Number 7 ranking, we just had beat Villanova, VCU and Pittsburgh, we had Tobias and Scotty and we were playing at TBA. We lost to Oakland. Sometimes there's just some ugly games. It's a part of losing.
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That's one thing we have not had with Zo......no jump around my living room moments...there has not been a single game we have won that I didn't feel we had a really good chance/or should win.
 
#117
#117
volbeast33 said:
That's one thing we have not had with Zo......no jump around my living room moments...there has not been a single game we have won that I didn't feel we had a really good chance/or should win.
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What about last year's Kentucky or Florida game? I think you set yourself up disappointment, if you go into each game with a negative attitude I doubt you'd enjoy it either.
 
#118
#118
iKrager said:
What about last year's Kentucky or Florida game? I think you set yourself up disappointment, if you go into each game with a negative attitude I doubt you'd enjoy it either.
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Just bc I don't think Zo is going to get the job done doesn't mean I am negative although it gets harder to be positive after each football, basketball, or baseball game I watch. I thought we would whip Kentucky and thought we would have a really good chance against Florida.

I'm talking about big time games where u r shocked, surprised, can't believe what u just saw....games like the two Texas games, Kansas, on the road against Pitt....maybe the B4A will give us one of those moments.
 
#119
#119
volbeast33 said:
Just bc I don't think Zo is going to get the job done doesn't mean I am negative although it gets harder to be positive after each football, basketball, or baseball game I watch. I thought we would whip Kentucky and thought we would have a really good chance against Florida.

I'm talking about big time games where u r shocked, surprised, can't believe what u just saw....games like the two Texas games, Kansas, on the road against Pitt....maybe the B4A will give us one of those moments.
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Well the Pitt game I thought was ours....the Kansas game would require Martin to recruit some questionable guys who are riding around packing, which seems unlikely.
 
#120
#120
bleedingTNorange said:
Well the Pitt game I thought was ours....the Kansas game would require Martin to recruit some questionable guys who are riding around packing, which seems unlikely.
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U thought we would beat Pitt that ur before we played them....wasn't meant to be a pearl vs Martin thing but I definitely wish Martin could recruit some players capable of beating kansas
 
#121
#121
iKrager said:
Jeez, sometimes you just get out coached. Yes, the Xavier game was sloppy but so was the game against Oakland years ago with Pearl.

Number 7 ranking, we just had beat Villanova, VCU and Pittsburgh, we had Tobias and Scotty and we were playing at TBA. We lost to Oakland. Sometimes there's just some ugly games. It's a part of losing.
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yeah, good coaches have those bad games every now and then.


Zo has good games every now and then. I guarantee he has been out-coached more times than not at UT


and no one has really ever said Pearl is a great x and o coach.
 
#122
#122
Chris4Vols22 said:
Honest question, would you like to see that happen? I'm not gonna judge if you just want Zo gone, even though that's pretty ridiculous. BUT say Zo does suck this season and he gets canned, do you honestly think that's good for the program? How confident are you that we can land a competent replacement?

If you say anything about hiring Pearl, then I apologize for interrupting your bath salts session.
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What's good for the program is to get the question answered. Either CCM can coach at a high level, or he can't. We ought to have a decent idea of that by the end of the year. Jerry Green was fired after a 20 win season and an NCAA bid. Yet, few would argue that this was the wrong move. Is it good for the program to have a marginal coach linger?? No. It is hard to argue with the talent level at his disposal. Two 5-star players, a potential SEC POY candidate in Mcrae, Maymon back and several other quality pieces.

One thing is for certain. UT is not under the NCAA black cloud, and it is an excellent platform to find and hire a proven coach. Pearl was proven. Yes, the circumstances at the time of Martin's hiring definately shrunk the candidate pool. That is certainly not his fault. But what is UT's fault is if they use this as an excuse to dumb down expectations.
 
#123
#123
iKrager said:
Jeez, sometimes you just get out coached. Yes, the Xavier game was sloppy but so was the game against Oakland years ago with Pearl.

Number 7 ranking, we just had beat Villanova, VCU and Pittsburgh, we had Tobias and Scotty and we were playing at TBA. We lost to Oakland. Sometimes there's just some ugly games. It's a part of losing.
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That was right after all the hoopla started on TV over the violations and the idiot in charge of the SEC commenting.
 
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