Why all the ammo purchases from govt agencies?

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lawgator1 said:
Yup. Its not the far right that has the irrational racial hysteria about this nonsense.
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Only you (and Chris Matthews) would see race when someone raises a question about a major expansion in Federal law enforcement.

It's funny how liberals used to distrust the government; particularly the militarization of the government but now they embrace it since it's their guy in charge.
 
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volinbham said:
Only you (and Chris Matthews) would see race when someone raises a question about a major expansion in Federal law enforcement.

It's funny how liberals used to distrust the government; particularly the militarization of the government but now they embrace it since it's their guy in charge.
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Have to believe someone, or some purpose, is behind this conspiracy, right?

Would be interesting if you could force the people buying into this nonsense to reveal their true feelings about how and why such things, real or imaginary, occur.

I think we all know what that would show. But I get that you need to deny it for as long as you can.
 
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davethevol said:
I'm sure it won't be long before they can pull us over on the highway, not just tagging along with state troopers. It sounds like no one knows the extent of their powers.
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how can you limit the powers when they can claim NS for everything?

“The problem with T.S.A. stopping and searching people in public places outside the airport is that there are no real legal standards, or probable cause,” said Khaliah Barnes, administrative law counsel at the Electronic Privacy Information Center in Washington. “It’s something that is easily abused because the reason that they are conducting the stops is shrouded in secrecy.”

T.S.A. officials respond that the random searches are “special needs” or “administrative searches” that are exempt from probable cause because they further the government’s need to prevent terrorist attacks.
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lawgator1 said:
Have to believe someone, or some purpose, is behind this conspiracy, right?

Would be interesting if you could force the people buying into this nonsense to reveal their true feelings about how and why such things, real or imaginary, occur.

I think we all know what that would show. But I get that you need to deny it for as long as you can.
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1. I never said it was a conspiracy. I think the expansion of the TSA is concerning and this topic is a part of that larger issue.

2. I am 100% secure that my concerns about the TSA and overall expansion of Federal law enforcement have zero to do with race.

Sad you can't debate an issue without resorting to shallow attacks on persons who hold views other than your own.
 
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volinbham said:
Long time no see dude :hi:

I guess when they are screening peeps at a Football game they may need to take down some undesirables.

Honestly, can you imagine TSA officials with handguns in a crowded airport or wherever else they are?

Frightening.
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We run an awesome deal at the Philly Eagles stadium. We have a group that dresses in the opposing teams colors/jerseys and actively engages the Eagles fans in lively debates. Once one of the Eagles fans decides to throw something (a punch, bottle etc), uniformed security along with Philly PD jump in and escorts the fan to the jail we have at the stadium. I keep volunteering to get on that crew, but no luck so far.

Point is, I can't imagine TSA doing it any better.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Have to believe someone, or some purpose, is behind this conspiracy, right?

Would be interesting if you could force the people buying into this nonsense to reveal their true feelings about how and why such things, real or imaginary, occur.

I think we all know what that would show. But I get that you need to deny it for as long as you can.
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I have a problem with a government agency constantly expanding their reach.

Not to mention the fact that the people they hire, arm and give federal police powers to are not qualified to be hired by most local police departments.

That is a recipe for abuse and disaster.
 
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Alex Jones promotes the idea that a race war is coming, that enraged blacks are going to start rioting and insurrection to start any second, now. And he largely ties it in to Obama and the government as mechanisms to promote it.

» Obama Is Trying To Start A Race War: Exploiting Trayvon’s Death Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind!

» Do the Media Want a Race War? Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind!

Preparing for The Coming Race Wars | The Alex Jones unofficial ArchiveThe Alex Jones unofficial Archive

You may be able to point to some element of concern over something as general as "I am worried about expanding government power" in order to cover up the fact that Jones and his followers are very much promoting or buying into the notion of a race war. But the facts about what he and his ilk are all about are right there, a Google's search away.
 
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YorkVol said:
We run an awesome deal at the Philly Eagles stadium. We have a group that dresses in the opposing teams colors/jerseys and actively engages the Eagles fans in lively debates. Once one of the Eagles fans decides to throw something (a punch, bottle etc), uniformed security along with Philly PD jump in and escorts the fan to the jail we have at the stadium. I keep volunteering to get on that crew, but no luck so far.

Point is, I can't imagine TSA doing it any better.
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I can imagine them doing it much worse!
 
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lawgator1 said:
Alex Jones promotes the idea that a race war is coming, that enraged blacks are going to start rioting and insurrection to start any second, now. And he largely ties it in to Obama and the government as mechanisms to promote it.

» Obama Is Trying To Start A Race War: Exploiting Trayvon’s Death Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind!

» Do the Media Want a Race War? Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind!

Preparing for The Coming Race Wars | The Alex Jones unofficial ArchiveThe Alex Jones unofficial Archive

You may be able to point to some element of concern over something as general as "I am worried about expanding government power" in order to cover up the fact that Jones and his followers are very much promoting or buying into the notion of a race war. But the facts about what he and his ilk are all about are right there, a Google's search away.
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You clearly pay more attention to Alex Jones than I do.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Alex Jones promotes the idea that a race war is coming, that enraged blacks are going to start rioting and insurrection to start any second, now. And he largely ties it in to Obama and the government as mechanisms to promote it.

» Obama Is Trying To Start A Race War: Exploiting Trayvon’s Death Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind!

» Do the Media Want a Race War? Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind!

Preparing for The Coming Race Wars | The Alex Jones unofficial ArchiveThe Alex Jones unofficial Archive

You may be able to point to some element of concern over something as general as "I am worried about expanding government power" in order to cover up the fact that Jones and his followers are very much promoting or buying into the notion of a race war. But the facts about what he and his ilk are all about are right there, a Google's search away.
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Uh, I don't visit Alex Jones and can't remember ever doing so and I have concerns over the militarization of federal and local law enforcement.

Guess I'm just a racist.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Alex Jones promotes the idea that a race war is coming, that enraged blacks are going to start rioting and insurrection to start any second, now. And he largely ties it in to Obama and the government as mechanisms to promote it.

» Obama Is Trying To Start A Race War: Exploiting Trayvon’s Death Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind!

» Do the Media Want a Race War? Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind!

Preparing for The Coming Race Wars | The Alex Jones unofficial ArchiveThe Alex Jones unofficial Archive

You may be able to point to some element of concern over something as general as "I am worried about expanding government power" in order to cover up the fact that Jones and his followers are very much promoting or buying into the notion of a race war. But the facts about what he and his ilk are all about are right there, a Google's search away.
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wow, you have even less of a clue than I originally believed. Do some research (wikipedia and MSNBC don't count)
 
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utvolpj said:
this is a lot of ammo for the TSA when so few of their workers carry guns. Not sure arming them is the best idea either given their serious issues

https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportu...ce5905df7f3bc9f2427c22131e9&tab=core&_cview=0
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By looking over the RFP, I noticed that this will be a IDIQ contract, which means that those requirements for each year will rarely be met. Its like an open purchase order to where the Government has set a limit to what they would ever purchase each year. IDIQ contracts are rarely executed to 100% each year. Still a large number of rounds, but I would be surprised if they ever executed the contract to deliver 4,500,000 rounds a year. Each CLIN (probably different types of rounds on each) is only 500,000 rounds max per year.
 
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BearCat204 said:
By looking over the RFP, I noticed that this will be a IDIQ contract, which means that those requirements for each year will rarely be met. Its like an open purchase order to where the Government has set a limit to what they would ever purchase each year. IDIQ contracts are rarely executed to 100% each year. Still a large number of rounds, but I would be surprised if they ever executed the contract to deliver 4,500,000 rounds a year. Each CLIN (probably different types of rounds on each) is only 500,000 rounds max per year.
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By doing that contract, are the companies required to set aside that amount of ammo whether or not the gov purchases the full amount? Is this another way of reducing ammo supplies to the public?
 
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Also, just because it is "TSA" that has this requirement out on FedBizzOps, dont take that as TSA will be using all of these rounds. TSA falls under the DHS, so it is very likely that DHS is using TSA funds to aquire these rounds not only for TSA, but also other entities under the DHS. Sometimes have to do this because of whatever reason a department will have for not having a contract vehicle to purchase things. We do it all the time
 
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davethevol said:
By doing that contract, are the companies required to set aside that amount of ammo whether or not the gov purchases the full amount? Is this another way of reducing ammo supplies to the public?
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I have no idea about the last question, your guess is as good as mine. As for the first part, read the RFP:

52.216-19 Order Limitations (OCT 1995)
(a) Minimum order. When the Government requires supplies or services covered by this contract in an amount of less than 1000 rounds the Government is not obligated to purchase, nor is the Contractor obligated to furnish, those supplies or services under the contract.
(b) Maximum order. The Contractor is not obligated to honor—
(1) Any order for a single item in excess of 1,500,000 rounds ;
(2) Any order for a combination of items in excess of 1,500,000 rounds; or
(3) A series of orders from the same ordering office within 30 days that together call for quantities exceeding the limitation in paragraph (b)(1) or (2) of this section.
(c) If this is a requirements contract (i.e., includes the Requirements clause at subsection 52.216-21 of the Federal Acquisition Regulation (FAR)), the Government is not required to order a part of any one requirement from the Contractor if that requirement exceeds the maximum-order limitations in paragraph (b) of this section.
(d) Notwithstanding paragraphs (b) and (c) of this section, the Contractor shall honor any order exceeding the maximum order limitations in paragraph (b), unless that order (or orders) is returned to the ordering office within 3 days after issuance, with written notice stating the Contractor’s intent not to ship the item (or items) called for and the reasons. Upon receiving this notice, the Government may acquire the supplies or services from another source.
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Basically means that the contractor doesnt have to have the max quantity on hand, but has to be prepared to deliver within these limits.
 
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BearCat204 said:
Also, just because it is "TSA" that has this requirement out on FedBizzOps, dont take that as TSA will be using all of these rounds. TSA falls under the DHS, so it is very likely that DHS is using TSA funds to aquire these rounds not only for TSA, but also other entities under the DHS. Sometimes have to do this because of whatever reason a department will have for not having a contract vehicle to purchase things. We do it all the time
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I can understand that but I guess I have an issue with using a dept with under 4000 armed agents as a vehicle to authorize purchases of 4.5mil rounds/yr. How can we ever track who gets what if it's simply purchases by DHS but using a different pocket?
 
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