Ainge's resume

#151
#151
Out of everyone on the offense, I would say that Ainge is one of the least to blame.

What you're saying, Rasputin, is like people calling for Manning to be traded because he had a bad game against New England. For about 3 years straight.


I'm sorry, but that's a bad move. You can't expect this guy to go out there every week and be a total stud. You need to be surrounded by top tier talent in order to do that. And Austin Rogers, with his 4.5 speed is not going to stretch the field, broken finger or not. In order for the "deep pass" that everyone is having a wet dream over to work, you have to have a palpable receiver on the other end. You can't blame Ainge for putting it on the money and the receiver dropping the pass.

The WRs have to know their routes, execute their routes, know their audible routes, execute the audible routes, catch the ball, and not be afraid to be hit. I've seen an almost pathetic, and inconsistent attempt out of all of them on almost all of those points. The line probably could not hold up for Ainge to read and throw the deep route anyway. You're not crediting him for only giving up one sack all season. And that was early in the Cal game. He has done a fairly good job reading the field. I would be worried about a receiver not catching the ball correctly and it popping up and getting intercepted. And how do we know that the INT he threw in FLA (his only one this season) was not the fault of the WR? And one last thing, our passing game, at this point (personnel and finger and probably line) are built to control the game and not put up gaudy numbers. They've been trying to play catch up, and I'll say this flat out, we DO NOT have the WRs for that. I think Ainge could be VERY successful with that passing attack at another school, or even this year with Meachem back.
 
#152
#152
DC... this is TVA. just leave him alone. He doesn't truly care one way or the other, he's just wanting to get you worked up and he knows this is the best way to do it. Leave Rasputin/TVA alone and hopefully he'll go away
 
#154
#154
My whole problem with EA is this completion % crap! He is basically handing the ball off. The short pass has taken the place of our running game. Meach made him last year. The staff downplayed the seriousness of the pinky at the beginning of the year but with the two losses the spin machine has stated that it may be more of an issue than first thought (handoffs and deep balls).

Ainge is a good QB and when the planets are alinged he shows us what could have been. But(imo) the ND injury still lingers in his mind and he just tries to get the ball out of his hands. As witnessed when he threw the ball away on 4th down againts Fla.

The way I see it ....EA is the caretaker of this offense.....he doesn't own it.
 
#155
#155
the deep ball or lack thereof i should say has so much more to do w/ the lack of a deep threat at wr than it does ainge's pinky. Ainge is a good qb. That's all he is, a good qb. He's the best option we have though, and until Tennessee gets or uses a legit deep threat no one is throwing deep.
 
#156
#156
You don't always need to have a rocket armed QB to have an effective passing game.


Look at the NY Jets and San Diego of last year. The only differences there are: They both have a good OL, and an effective running game.


Regardless of EA, and his full abilities (I honestly think have yet to be seen) our running game has GOT to be consistent.
 
#157
#157
crimedawg12 said:
The short pass has taken the place of our running game. Meach made him last year.
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Meachem obviously helped out a lot, but I think you are underestimating how much it helps to have a QB that can deliver the ball to the outside with good velocity and on time. Those hitches and quick outs look easy, but a lot of times when a WR breaks one it's because he got the ball in the right place at the right time and had the opportunity to make the play.
 
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#158
UTLCA said:
Hopefully this is a joke, because Oregon is a whole lot different than New England.
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Maybe, hopefully, he was talking about his uncle Danny working the Celtics.

If not, that qualifies as one of the least informed posts I've ever seen
 
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#159
GAVol said:
Meachem obviously helped out a lot, but I think you are underestimating how much it helps to have a QB that can deliver the ball to the outside with good velocity and on time. Those hitches and quick outs look easy, but a lot of times when a WR breaks one it's because he got the ball in the right place at the right time and had the opportunity to make the play.
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guess we will never know....
 
#160
#160
crimedawg12 said:
guess we will never know....
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Meachem is currently on the bottom of the Saints roster. Marques Colston, a 6th Rounder, got in the starting line-up. Maybe Meachem was a product of Cutcliffe's system and Ainge's delivery? I don't know, but don't expect that credit to ever be divvied out here.
 
#161
#161
GAVol said:
Meachem obviously helped out a lot, but I think you are underestimating how much it helps to have a QB that can deliver the ball to the outside with good velocity and on time. Those hitches and quick outs look easy, but a lot of times when a WR breaks one it's because he got the ball in the right place at the right time and had the opportunity to make the play.
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And you're right on the money. If anyone saw the Patriots/Chargers game, you'll see how a good defense will destroy a weak armed QB that is trying to throw hitch passes. Ainge has rarely missed a throw, and he has intangibles that people aren't giving him credit for. Mostly his ability to go under center and convert the 3rd and longs. It's the hitch patterns I think he's being told to run that never convert. When he stretches the field out is when he's effective.
 
#162
#162
DC Vol said:
Meachem is currently on the bottom of the Saints roster. Marques Colston, a 6th Rounder, got in the starting line-up. Maybe Meachem was a product of Cutcliffe's system and Ainge's delivery? I don't know, but don't expect that credit to ever be divvied out here.
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Meachem did not exactly tear it up before Cutcliffe was here.

He came into camp overweight and was injured.

Also all WRs are products of systems. Look at Calvin Johnson. Had anybody but Reggie Ball been his QB that man would have been in Heisman races.
 
#163
#163
justingroves said:
Meachem did not exactly tear it up before Cutcliffe was here.

He came into camp overweight and was injured.

Also all WRs are products of systems. Look at Calvin Johnson. Had anybody but Reggie Ball been his QB that man would have been in Heisman races.
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Calvin Johnson is SICK. The Raiders blew their best drafting oppritunity in years. But I'm getting off topic.

Meachem has decent hands, but fell when scouts realized he would take work to develop further and he wasn't the best, by any means at running a crisp route.

A huge amount of Mannings success with Harrison and Wayne is a result of running the same routes over and over again to get the precise timing down. Anything short of a perfect delivery and it's an INT. I hate to say it, but look at some of Tebow's passes. They were right on the money, no room for error. 6 inches under thrown? Berry had an INT. 6 Inches over? Incomplete pass.
 
#165
#165
DC Vol said:
Calvin Johnson is SICK. The Raiders blew their best drafting oppritunity in years. But I'm getting off topic.

Meachem has decent hands, but fell when scouts realized he would take work to develop further and he wasn't the best, by any means at running a crisp route.

A huge amount of Mannings success with Harrison and Wayne is a result of running the same routes over and over again to get the precise timing down. Anything short of a perfect delivery and it's an INT. I hate to say it, but look at some of Tebow's passes. They were right on the money, no room for error. 6 inches under thrown? Berry had an INT. 6 Inches over? Incomplete pass.
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you could create a new pattern for Marvin Harrison to run right now, and he would have it down pat within 3 attempts. please. A lot of Manning's success has to do with having some incredible wide receivers and knowing how and when to get them the ball
 
#166
#166
Vercingetorix said:
You know, you're right. Any semi-competent quarterback should have been able to win more games than that, given the stellar defenses, consistently high-quality receivers, excellent special teams, and punishing running game that we've featured during Ainge's career. We should probably run down to campus, stone the guy and drag him down Volunteer Boulevard tied behind a pickup truck for awhile. His girlfriend, too.
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Whoa buddy....you are not allowed to introduce any logic into this thread.
 
#167
#167
volfanbill said:
you could create a new pattern for Marvin Harrison to run right now, and he would have it down pat within 3 attempts. please. A lot of Manning's success has to do with having some incredible wide receivers and knowing how and when to get them the ball
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I disagree. Completely. They've gone on record and stated, and it's obvious if you even watch their off-season repetroire, that the entire Colts receiving corps, but especially those 2 work extremely hard at their timing and execution. And you're selling Manning incredibly short. I think Harrison needs Manning more than Manning needs Harrison. There are a quite a few games where Harrison gets taken completely out of the game, and Manning just finds a new target (Dallas Clark, Addai, Stokley). Look at the Titans game. Everyone on that field is expected to work hard, know the plays, know their routes and execute when the ball gets to them. If Gonzalez had dropped one of those passes you wouldn't see it go his way the rest of that game.

I didn't see much if any crisp route running yet. I mean this: the receiver goes 5 deep, cuts out and the ball is there.
 
#169
#169
personally, i think he needs to start showing some of the cofidence that our staff have shown him. He is a senior with a QB rating over 110 after three games. He needs to start acting like one.

Man up!!
 
#170
#170
texas_vol said:
personally, i think he needs to start showing some of the cofidence that our staff have shown him. He is a senior with a QB rating over 110 after three games. He needs to start acting like one.

Man up!!
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I agree. With all of the "no leadership" tag swirling around Eli Manning, you would think that he would at least try to make an attempt to vocally get his team in the game.



Or at least tear into Rogers for that drop on 3rd and long.
 
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