'14 GA C C.J. Turman (Tennessee Commit 8/18)

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iKrager said:
I doubt Martin would take 7. I can see one attrition, not two. I'll say it again BTO, Q is better than his original 2* rating. Q started playing competitive basketball his sophomore year, he'll be a solid 4 year player.
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I doubt we take 7 either, just presenting a scenario. We have 3, if London and Turman jump on quickly that's 5. The staff isn't turning away any of London and Hurt. So if you've got 6 commits and Looney calls you up, you think Martin is telling Looney, sorry but I like this Q kid more than I do you? I doubt it.
 
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And this is why I said I feel he's definitely a take, just a minute ago from Rob Lewis on if Turman is a take:

I think he is absolutely a take. I don't think they can afford to wait. Not sure that they are even going to get a visit from Hurt right now, so they certainly couldn't pass on Turman IMO.
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bleedingTNorange said:
Seems to be it of confusion on if its Thurman or Turman, and I'm not really sure which is correct lol.

On the topic you addressed, I was thinking about that as well. I will say though, only 1 of the guys you listed is really a post. Looney can play the 3/4 same for London, and black seems to prefer the 3 even though he's the size of a 4. So, given that we are losing a strictly 5, and a guy who's only played the 4 for us...I have a feeling Martin really would like to add 2 true posts.

What I'm basically getting at is that, IMO I think we would take Turman right now if he wanted to commit. Where it gets interesting is to watch what they then do with London. They would continue to pursue Hurt, but would they continue to pursue London meaning they would likely be bringing in 6 in the 2014 class?
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If we take Turman I think it's because we have missed out or think we will miss out on the other bigs listed. Hurt and London in particular because I think the others are a longshot anyway. However if we are going to send someone packing and take 6 then its another story.
 
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wtorange said:
If we take Turman I think it's because we have missed out or think we will miss out on the other bigs listed. Hurt and London in particular because I think the others are a longshot anyway. However if we are going to send someone packing and take 6 then its another story.
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I'm starting to think Hurt might be a bigger longshot than Black or Looney. jmo I know he has shown interest, but read in another thread UT might not even get a visit from him.
 
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wtorange said:
If we take Turman I think it's because we have missed out or think we will miss out on the other bigs listed. Hurt and London in particular because I think the others are a longshot anyway. However if we are going to send someone packing and take 6 then its another story.
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I think the only player affected by a commitment from Turman is Hurt, and vice-versa. Both are true centers. London is still learning how not to be a perimeter player, and he is rail thin at that. At best, he's a future PF, but not a C. His spot is only potentially threatened by Looney IMO.

From a pure roster standpoint, I doubt we would take Turman & Hurt unless we know for sure someone is leaving outside of the four seniors and Stokes. Also, Martin's offensive philosophy seems to be geared towards the SG, SF, & PF positions. I just don't see him carrying three strictly true centers (Pops, Turman, & Hurt). I think he'd rather use the third spot of those on a versatile SF/PF combo like London and/or Looney, or at worst, someone capable of playing C and PF, which none of those three can IMO.

All that said, I could be wrong.
 
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cncchris33 said:
I think the only player affected by a commitment from Turman is Hurt, and vice-versa. Both are true centers. London is still learning how not to be a perimeter player, and he is rail thin at that. At best, he's a future PF, but not a C. His spot is only potentially threatened by Looney IMO.

From a pure roster standpoint, I doubt we would take Turman & Hurt unless we know for sure someone is leaving outside of the four seniors and Stokes. Also, Martin's offensive philosophy seems to be geared towards the SG, SF, & PF positions. I just don't see him carrying three strictly true centers (Pops, Turman, & Hurt). I think he'd rather use the third spot of those on a versatile SF/PF combo like London and/or Looney, or at worst, someone capable of playing C and PF, which none of those three can IMO.

All that said, I could be wrong.
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Just read on TOS that Hurt had released his high interest schools and we were not on the list. Those 3 were Kansas St., Miami (Fla) and Wichita State. Since Forbes is the new assistant at WSU they might now be the favorite. This probably explains the renewed interest in Turman.
 
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wtorange said:
Just read on TOS that Hurt had released his high interest schools and we were not on the list. Those 3 were Kansas St., Miami (Fla) and Wichita State. Since Forbes is the new assistant at WSU they might now be the favorite. This probably explains the renewed interest in Turman.
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You're probably correct.
 
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I said I thought Forbes leaving NWF may hurt us...

Hurt visited unofficially early in the summer. Based off what I'm hearing lately I'm getting skeptical about him making a return trip in the fall for an official. Not saying he's cut the Vols, just saying that what I'm hearing at the moment does not suggest they are penciled into his top-five. I would also make an educated guess that things got a little more difficult when Forbes left NWF and took a job at Wichita State. I don't know that they can land Hurt, but I would speculate that they are definitely going to be players for one of his five official visits now.
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Would definitely push for Turman if I'm Martin.
 
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Code for, he's a Vol?

I think Tennessee is in good shape with him. I had a chance to meet him and visit with him a bit last month and he was very high on the Vols. I think they would prefer to wait on him if possible, but if he was ready to commit soon I don't think he would turn it down. He hasn't visited here yet, but then again neither had Austin.
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If he's a legit 6'8 250 that sounds like a take to me. I know we may want Hurt but we can't wait too long. Take Turman for insurance. Then we can focus on Hurt and Looney.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Yea?

He's not a flashy guy, he's a bruiser who will get his own around the basket. Reminds me of a bit more athletic Stokes (obviously he's not as good at this point).
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More athletic? Didn't necessarily see that, but he's not back for a fall back prospect. Better than we've seen in the last couple of years.

Had some nice dunks, but not explosive with his moves out of the post. Most of those shots were below the rim.

He will occupy space and rebound so there's that.

The scouting services must have seen him stall out in development. Was a consensus top 100 guy until the spring/summer evaluations started.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Watch the first play of this video, I've never seen Stokes catch an oop curling from the 3 point line.

CJ Turman Hoops In Overdrive Mixtape 2012 - YouTube
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That was nice. Although to be fair to Jarnell, we don't run a lot of oop plays under CCM. Maybe it is lack of having someone to pass the ball. Bobby Maze was one of the best lob passers to play at TN in a long time.

Those were some really sullen looking coaches in the intro. :)
 
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germanicus said:
That was nice. Although to be fair to Jarnell, we don't run a lot of oop plays under CCM. Maybe it is lack of having someone to pass the ball. Bobby Maze was one of the best lob passers to play at TN in a long time.

Those were some really sullen looking coaches in the intro. :)
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Stokes isn't catching oops like that regardless of who is throwing them. Not saying he can't catch oops but not like that.
 
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Bob Mueller said:
Being in a final group with Houston and Miss St is disconcerting.
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Especially a Miss State without Stansbury. Wasn't much of a coach, but he could recruit.

I didn't have any idea who was coaching Houston until I looked it up. James Dickey - who bears an unnerving resemblance to Harry Reid - is there. Coached at Texas Tech for several years to middling success, which he has repeated at Houston.

That is an odd trio. Can't imagine Turman would wait too long to pull that trigger. The Tennessee program should look like the Lakers next to those two.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Will this make you feel better, offer list:

Alabama
Georgia
Miami
Mississippi
Mississippi state
Wake Forest
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As you are aware more than almost anyone else on this board, offer lists on the recruiting sites can be deceptive. I suspect several of those were generated during his sophomore and junior years. Georgia and the two Mississippi schools probably are still viable.

That being said, a much better fall back type guy than we've seen the last two years.
 
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germanicus said:
As you are aware more than almost anyone else on this board, offer lists on the recruiting sites can be deceptive. I suspect several of those were generated during his sophomore and junior years. Georgia and the two Mississippi schools probably are still viable.

That being said, a much better fall back type guy than we've seen the last two years.
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Agree 100%, was just inferring that just because the other 2 aren't big name schools shouldn't automatically discount the recruit. A perfect example is Angel Delgado, Top 5 of Seton Hall, Fordham, Kentucky, Florida State and Virginia. How often do you see Fordham and Kentucky fighting over the same player?

As of a month ago Turman claimed he still had offers from Tennessee, Mississippi State, South Carolina, Georgia, Alabama and Miami...

A productive inside player with a physique that's built for carving out space on the blocks, Turman is a 'grown man' on the glass with a developing low post game. A physical defender, he doesn't shy away from contact on either end of the floor and has the strength to make a potentially quick transition to the more physical college game.

Turman may make programs wait awhile on his college decision, though for the moment Tennessee appears to be in good shape.

"Tennessee and Mississippi State are the two schools that probably are recruiting me the hardest," Turman said. "Those two, Alabama, Georgia, South Carolina, and Miami lately, those are schools I hear a lot from.

"I'm not too close to doing anything. I'd like to take some visits first. Right now I'm leaning towards waiting until next spring to sign."

Turman added that he's never visited Knoxville, though he plans to in the fall.

Asked what he knew about the Vols that has sparked some early interest, he cited the coaching staff as the main draw for him at this point.

"Coach Martin and coach Webster, those are the two coaches that I talk to from Tennessee, just hearing what they have to say, getting to know them, that's the big thing about Tennessee right now," Turman offered.
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Is he a 5*, definitely not, but as you said, much better fall back than what we've had in recent years. You fill out this class with London and Turman and you're looking at a top 15 class most likely.
 
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