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[SouthKnoxVOL]

1. Don't lump me in with any "you guys"

2. We have 1 Composite 200 WR on our roster. We have no upperclassmen that can contribute in a meaningful way. Alabama has 5 Top 100 WR plus multiple talented upperclassmen, including a preseason all-american. They are considered the best WR corps in the SEC. We are just trying to get a few on the field that can not be a liability. If you can't recognize the difference you should stop posting. We have some young WR talent, but we don't have a group of sure-fire can't-miss WR on our roster.

3. If you thinked Alabama's receivers are skewed because of their running game you don't watch enough Alabama football. Cooper may be the best WR in the country and guys like DeAndrew White, Kevin Norwood, Chris Black, and Kenny Bell are guys that we wish we had right now.

4. Our WR corps was ranked dead last in the SEC by ESPN. I obviously think that is low, but we are nowhere close to Alabama at WR right now.

I was reading your post and thoroughly enjoying it until I stumbled upon the word "thinked" then I stopped.

 

[jave36]

Dallas Thomas got used and abused a lot last night in the HOF Game on National TV. I've been saying that Thomas would make a very good center because of his agility and quickness, similar to Kevin Mawae.

I never liked him at tackle, he seemed to do better at OG

 

[Madkins8]

I was reading your post and thoroughly enjoying it until I stumbled upon the word "thinked" then I stopped.

I don't know how that got in there. It isn't even a past tense sentence.

 

[SouthKnoxVOL]

I don't know how that got in there. It isn't even a past tense sentence.

Yeah lol. I've never heard anyone use that word before.

 

[SCvol333]

I never liked him at tackle, he seemed to do better at OG

agreed - he wasnt a good enough tackle to play in the SEC let alone the NFL

cannot figure out why NFL scouts kept mentioning him at tackle

he can play guard in the NFL - especially for a pass happy team - he cannot play tackle in the NFL

 

[sanddune50]

I was reading your post and thoroughly enjoying it until I stumbled upon the word "thinked" then I stopped.

I was enjoying it when he said we have no upperclassmen that can contribute in a meaningful way as if a team has to have junior and senior WRs to contribute after we just witnessed Justin Hunter have his best year as a freshman and Da'Rick light it up as a sophmore. Stud WRs, like RBs can come in often times and make immediate impacts.

 

[Madkins8]

I will continue to do so when you are the one that brought this up to begin with



That's an awesome stat. So I guess now the measuring stick is being a part of this top 200 group and being a 4 star talent means the player is a marginal athlete. Get off your high horse with the stop posting nonsense. You are nothing more than a stat monkey and wouldn't know a football if it hit you in the face. Just cause you made Gatorade for the football team from pop warner up doesn't mean you can properly assess talent. I bet you were one of the one's *****ing about CP last year as well. Just by watching guys like Croom, North, and Harris's film, I would say they are about as can't miss as it gets barring injury.



I watch plenty of football, Alabama included.And apparently have a better understanding of the game than you. Simple numbers my friend. When teams are forced to stop a dominant running attack and pull their defenses up WRs have the luxury of one on one matchups on an island. Not a new concept.



ESPN ranking anything is a joke and by you referencing them as part of your rebuttal, you should go back to VQ and post where people actually believe your drivel.

I actually thought CP was going to be a 1000 yard receiver.

Your rebuttals are moronic.

You are the one that brought up recruiting perception into the discussion, so I displayed how Alabama has recruited the position for this year than Tennessee has. UT's WR coming out of spring were worse than they had been in a very long time. We have an opportunity t have a top 6 WR corps in 2013. Alabama has the best by a wide margin. Don't go full red on me because you disagree (with no evidence I might add).

Do you think Cooper had a great year last year because of the running game? In case you didn't know, it is so easy to have 1000 receiving yards and 10 TD's at Alabama, especially as a freshman. So easy that Julio Jones, a top 5 WR in the NFL (per NFL.com list), couldn't do it in 3 years. In fact, Cooper scored as many TD's as Julio did in his best 2 years combined. He is an elite WR, a better pure WR than Hunter, Da'Rick, or CP.

You are using a concept, one that you loosely grasp, to justify degrading Alabama's WR production. Why don't you actually go back and watch the games and see what you think of Cooper, Norwood, and Bell.

How ridiculous of me to think that ESPN, the biggest sports company in the world, who has a a 9 figure contract with the SEC, would be able to put out a reasonably appropriate list. I guess maybe Athlon, Phil Steele, and SaturdayDownSouth don't know what they are talking about either. I guess a better question would be who, other than you, thinks Alabama doesn't have the best WR corps in the SEC? I am going to guess no one with a brain.

 

[SCvol333]

I will continue to do so when you are the one that brought this up to begin with



That's an awesome stat. So I guess now the measuring stick is being a part of this top 200 group and being a 4 star talent means the player is a marginal athlete. Get off your high horse with the stop posting nonsense. You are nothing more than a stat monkey and wouldn't know a football if it hit you in the face. Just cause you made Gatorade for the football team from pop warner up doesn't mean you can properly assess talent. I bet you were one of the one's *****ing about CP last year as well. Just by watching guys like Croom, North, and Harris's film, I would say they are about as can't miss as it gets barring injury.



I watch plenty of football, Alabama included.And apparently have a better understanding of the game than you. Simple numbers my friend. When teams are forced to stop a dominant running attack and pull their defenses up WRs have the luxury of one on one matchups on an island. Not a new concept.



ESPN ranking anything is a joke and by you referencing them as part of your rebuttal, you should go back to VQ and post where people actually believe your drivel.

I think you make some decent points and certainly agree on ESPN

but we aren't close to bama right now

if you don't believe me or madkins just listen to what CBJ is telling you - he wouldnt have 2 juco WR's in this class and made North his #1 target last year if didnt think WR was a position of weakness

 

[SCvol333]

oh and Cooper is $%#*ing ridiculously good

 

[Madkins8]

I was enjoying it when he said we have no upperclassmen that can contribute in a meaningful way as if a team has to have junior and senior WRs to contribute after we just witnessed Justin Hunter have his best year as a freshman and Da'Rick light it up as a sophmore. Stud WRs, like RBs can come in often times and make immediate impacts.

Yeah, good call, Da'Rick Rogers and Justin Hunter came out of no where. It isn't like they were both composite Top 50 guys that contributed as true freshman.

You are insufferably moronic.

 

[FBtime]

Words of wisdom from Hubbs. I am really excited about this team and the possibilities, but, as Hubbs said, time will tell.

One thing is for certain. There is no hiding for Butch Jones. Everyone in the country knows he is here after the way he has recruited. There are going to be a lot of eyes on UT this year.

That's the truth...including a lot of potential bricks!

 

[Ashevolle]

He is an elite WR, a better pure WR than Hunter, Da'Rick, or CP.

Da'Rick's 1040 yards and 9 TDs as a true sophomore for a horrible TN team was far more impressive than Cooper's number's last year. I'd argue he's the best pure WR of the 4 on skill sets alone.

 

[31VFL]

On the way to work this morning I was listening to Hyams do his normal Monday morning segment with 104.5. He basically said:

*He likes the first team of linebackers, AJ, Curt, Sapp, Brewer. He thought Harris and Bynum were coming along as well.

*He said Peterman seemed to have good zip on the ball, Ferguson may throw it harder than the other 3, but he has a bit of a wind-up. Expects Worley to start, but if we go with a freshman he thinks it would be Dobbs.

*Quinn is probably the better pass catching threat, but Downs is a better blocker.

*Said Pig Howard has very questionable hands, says he struggles catching. He asked Wychek how much that can be improved, and Wychek said it can be marginally improved but not much more.

*He said when punt return is called, 8-10 kids take off to return kicks. Palardy has looked good in the spring and in camp, but the usual, how will he look when the lights come on?

*He expects us to be in 4-5 50/50 games this year, said special teams could make or break.

I am probably forgetting a little, but I remember this much at least.

 

[sanddune50]

I actually thought CP was going to be a 1000 yard receiver.

Your rebuttals are moronic.

You are the one that brought up recruiting perception into the discussion, so I displayed how Alabama has recruited the position for this year than Tennessee has. UT's WR coming out of spring were worse than they had been in a very long time. We have an opportunity t have a top 6 WR corps in 2013. Alabama has the best by a wide margin. Don't go full red on me because you disagree (with no evidence I might add).

Do you think Cooper had a great year last year because of the running game? In case you didn't know, it is so easy to have 1000 receiving yards and 10 TD's at Alabama, especially as a freshman. So easy that Julio Jones, a top 5 WR in the NFL (per NFL.com list), couldn't do it in 3 years. In fact, Cooper scored as many TD's as Julio did in his best 2 years combined. He is an elite WR, a better pure WR than Hunter, Da'Rick, or CP.

You are using a concept, one that you loosely grasp, to justify degrading Alabama's WR production. Why don't you actually go back and watch the games and see what you think of Cooper, Norwood, and Bell.

How ridiculous of me to think that ESPN, the biggest sports company in the world, who has a a 9 figure contract with the SEC, would be able to put out a reasonably appropriate list. I guess maybe Athlon, Phil Steele, and SaturdayDownSouth don't know what they are talking about either. I guess a better question would be who, other than you, thinks Alabama doesn't have the best WR corps in the SEC? I am going to guess no one with a brain.

As if you have any credibility to assess what's moronic. Like I said straight up stat monkey that wouldn't know what he was watching on the field without a stat sheet. What's with this 'red' crap? Are you an Ainge disciple? Regurgitating nonsense you hear on the radio as well? Differenceis I realize that stats can be ballooned with a dominant offensive line and an amazing rushing attack. Other than Julio Jones, I can't think of any Bama WRs that have made a mark in the NFL.

And you touting Cooper as a better WR than 3 guys currently on NFL rosters is beyond moronic. So much so that you should log off and punch yourself repeatedly in the face.

You can ride ESPNs jock all you want. That doesn't mean they have a clue what they are talking about. Most posters I have seen on this very site have repeatedly bashed ESPN for their lack of understanding when it comes to evaluating talent. So much to the point that of the 4 ranking services, they are the least reliable one of the bunch. And what does a big money deal with the SEC for broadcasting rights have to do with credible takes on talent? Talk about pulling nonsense out of your arse to add to your erratic argument.

Point is, stick with giving us your inside scoop if you even have one. And leave the actual evaluation of players and talent to those that actually played a sport in their life that didn't have a controller attached to a console.

 

[Madkins8]

Da'Rick's 1040 yards and 9 TDs as a true sophomore for a horrible TN team was far more impressive than Cooper's number's last year. I'd argue he's the best pure WR of the 4 on skill sets alone.

I loved what DR did as a Sophomore, but I wouldn't put it ahead of Cooper. Rogers put in most of his work in the scrub games. He averaged 52 yards per game and 1 total TD vs UF, UGA, USCe, LSU, and Alabama. Cooper balled out in the big games and towards the end of the season. He missed the LSU game for injury, but averaged 128 ypg and had 8 total TD's against UT, TA&M, AU, UGA, and ND.

Rogers game against Vandy was one f the best WR performances I have seen at UT, but then he completely quit against Kentucky and didn't show up in the big game

 

[sanddune50]

Yeah, good call, Da'Rick Rogers and Justin Hunter came out of no where. It isn't like they were both composite Top 50 guys that contributed as true freshman.

You are insufferably moronic.

And you are an anonymous punk on a message board. That being said you made your foolish comment about not having upperclassmen as if it were a prerequisite for a WR to make a meaningful impact. Based on your inference, I showed 2 examples that blows your stupidity out of the water. And as usual you go back to you arbitrary rating system that suggests if a player isn't in the 'top 200' they are a questionable talent. I could go back and forth with you, but unlike you I'm beyond that and realize we are in the wrong thread for this argument to continue. If you want to rub one out to Bama's WRs feel free. I'll go back to talking about Lambert and his recruitment and forget about talking to some snarky little know it all who thinks the game of football is played on a computer.

 

[Madkins8]

As if you have any credibility to assess what's moronic. Like I said straight up stat monkey that wouldn't know what he was watching on the field without a stat sheet. What's with this 'red' crap? Are you an Ainge disciple. Regurgitating nonsense you hear on the radio as well? Differenceis I realize that stats can be ballooned with a dominant offensive line and an amazing rushing attack. Other than Julio Jones, I can't think of any Bama WRs that have made a mark in the NFL.

And you touting Cooper as a better WR than 3 guys currently on NFL rosters is beyond moronic. So much so that you should log off and punch yourself repeatedly in the face.

You can ride ESPNs jock all you want. That doesn't mean they have a clue what they are talking about. Most poster I have seen on this very site have repeatedly bashed ESPN for their lack of understanding when it comes to evaluating talent. So much to the point that of the 4 ranking services, they are the least reliable one of the bunch. And what does a big money deal with the SEC for broadcasting rights have to do with credible takes on talent? Talk about pulling nonsense out of your arse to add to your erratic argument.

Point is, stick with giving us your inside scoop if you even have one. And leave the actual evaluation of players and talent to those that actually played a sport in their life that didn't have a controller attached to a console.

Again, nothing of substance. Not even a flimsy anecdote.

 

[Ashevolle]

I loved what DR did as a Sophomore, but I wouldn't put it ahead of Cooper. Rogers put in most of his work in the scrub games. He averaged 52 yards per game and 1 total TD vs UF, UGA, USCe, LSU, and Alabama. Cooper balled out in the big games and towards the end of the season. He missed the LSU game for injury, but averaged 128 ypg and had 8 total TD's against UT, TA&M, AU, UGA, and ND.

Rogers game against Vandy was one f the best WR performances I have seen at UT, but then he completely quit against Kentucky and didn't show up in the big game

He was bracketed in every game if I recall. Cooper was not.

 

[sanddune50]

I think you make some decent points and certainly agree on ESPN

but we aren't close to bama right now

if you don't believe me or madkins just listen to what CBJ is telling you - he wouldnt have 2 juco WR's in this class and made North his #1 target last year if didnt think WR was a position of weakness

I think people are sleeping on Croom and Pig Howard. Both of them will cause match up problems with their respective size and speed. Both are elite talents who I think will get a chance to shine this year. And I think the WR issue was one of depth not front end talent. Getting the 2 JUCOs solve this issue going into the 2014 season. Keep in mind we still have Bowles, Harris, and North to go along with Croom and Pig. I expect Jenkins to make some waves as well, even though according to Madkins he is a marginal talent based on his star rating.

This is how you debate Madkins. Not everyone will agree. But when you start that stop posting your a moron garbage is when you lose people. Talk to people how you would talk to them in person, and you will probably get a better response moving forward.

 

[ob79]

On the way to work this morning I was listening to Hyams do his normal Monday morning segment with 104.5. He basically said:

*He likes the first team of linebackers, AJ, Curt, Sapp, Brewer. He thought Harris and Bynum were coming along as well.

*He said Peterman seemed to have good zip on the ball, Ferguson may throw it harder than the other 3, but he has a bit of a wind-up. Expects Worley to start, but if we go with a freshman he thinks it would be Dobbs.

*Quinn is probably the better pass catching threat, but Downs is a better blocker.

*Said Pig Howard hands questionable hands, says he struggles catching. He asked Wychek how much that can be improved, and Wychek said it can be marginally improved but not much more.

*He said when punt return is called, 8-10 kids take off to return kicks. Palardy has looked good in the spring and in camp, but the usual, how will he look when the lights come on?

*He expects us to be in 4-5 50/50 games this year, said special teams could make or break.

I am probably forgetting a little, but I remember this much at least.

ST are really being stressed by CBJ apparently, and for good reason. Why we can't seem to catch a break with Kickers and Punters lately is beyond me...both Palardy and Darr were highly recruited at their respective positions yet only Palardy seems to have lived up to even half the hype.

Can someone please tell me what the hell has happened with Durr, err...Darr?

 

[SCvol333]

I think people are sleeping on Croom and Pig Howard. Both of them will cause match up problems with their respective size and speed. Both are elite talents who I think will get a chance to shine this year. And I think the WR issue was one of depth not front end talent. Getting the 2 JUCOs solve this issue going into the 2014 season. Keep in mind we still have Bowles, Harris, and North to go along with Croom and Pig. I expect Jenkins to make some waves as well, even though according to Madkins he is a marginal talent based on his star rating.

This is how you debate Madkins. Not everyone will agree. But when you start that stop posting your a moron garbage is when you lose people. Talk to people how you would talk to them in person, and you will probably get a better response moving forward.

I agree that Croom's size on CB's and Pig's wiggle if he gets matched up against LB's or safeties can really cause some problems

but I do think North will have to be a big time player day 1 and Croom will have to be what we think he can be for this WR corp to be any good - I didnt mean to say there was not potential in it - just that, at present, and based on what we have seen and can reasonably project we are behind the elite WR corps in the SEC

 

[SouthKnoxVOL]

I think people are sleeping on Croom and Pig Howard. Both of them will cause match up problems with their respective size and speed. Both are elite talents who I think will get a chance to shine this year. And I think the WR issue was one of depth not front end talent. Getting the 2 JUCOs solve this issue going into the 2014 season. Keep in mind we still have Bowles, Harris, and North to go along with Croom and Pig. I expect Jenkins to make some waves as well, even though according to Madkins he is a marginal talent based on his star rating.

This is how you debate Madkins. Not everyone will agree. But when you start that stop posting your a moron garbage is when you lose people. Talk to people how you would talk to them in person, and you will probably get a better response moving forward.

Pig was ridiculously under used last year and when he was used it was in the wildcat or on a reverse.

 

[VolinArizona]

I was enjoying it when he said we have no upperclassmen that can contribute in a meaningful way as if a team has to have junior and senior WRs to contribute after we just witnessed Justin Hunter have his best year as a freshman and Da'Rick light it up as a sophmore. Stud WRs, like RBs can come in often times and make immediate impacts.

Would you like to compare Justin Hunter's freshman and junior campaigns with me?

 

[volssam]

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[Madkins8]

agreed - he wasnt a good enough tackle to play in the SEC let alone the NFL

cannot figure out why NFL scouts kept mentioning him at tackle

he can play guard in the NFL - especially for a pass happy team - he cannot play tackle in the NFL

I disagree on that. Dallas was a very solid OT in the SEC and slid in to guard because Chaney wanted a more athletic guy on the left side, which is why he slid down instead of James. Dallas also performed well at tackle last year when Richardson was on the bench, including against Clowney.