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BruinVol said:
Please eleborate on this
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Like Vandy they receive (gifts) from alumni or some other source that provide financial assistance to undergraduate students. With the goal of accruing no education debt. Basically the school is finding ways to subsidize students and taken the burden of their debt.

This is from Davidson's website. I love the concept because it provides a need for students not to be a part of the ever growing generation that is now defaulting on school loans at an alarming rate and also provides opportunities to students who come from a financial situation preventing them from attending a private school.

http://www3.davidson.edu/cms/x22786.xml
 
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TideWarrior said:
Like Vandy they receive (gifts) from alumni or some other source that provide financial assistance to undergraduate students. With the goal of accruing no education debt. Basically the school is finding ways to subsidize students and taken the burden of their debt.

This is from Davidson's website. I love the concept because it provides a need for students not to be a part of the ever growing generation that is now defaulting on school loans at an alarming rate and also provides opportunities to students who come from a financial situation preventing them from attending a private school.

http://www3.davidson.edu/cms/x22786.xml
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Very interesting but from my comprehension very misleading. It stated that the number receiving need based financial would grow from 34% to 40%. It seemed to be a fancy way of saying the school would no longer promote large student loans but would still accept them.
 
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I went to UT undergrad and did my graduate work and doctorate at two of the most elite universities in the world. The elite places are harder to get into but once you're in, it's like anywhere else - hard work wins out over brilliance almost every time.
 
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BruinVol said:
There is some info out there that claims the lifetime income of a private school graduate is 1mil more than a public school. Once again this data isn't comparing apples to oranges but make no mistake those figures are being used by Franklin in recruiting especially the mothers of recruits.
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But Franklin is not telling the mothers that her kid since he will be playing football he will take courses picked by coaching staff to keep grades up just lke at all schools .I would be willing to bet that if you look at the collage transcripts of football players from both schools that vandy players don't have many more classes that are tougher than UT
 
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volfan414life said:
But Franklin is not telling the mothers that her kid since he will be playing football he will take courses picked by coaching staff to keep grades up just lke at all schools .I would be willing to bet that if you look at the collage transcripts of football players from both schools that vandy players don't have many more classes that are tougher than UT
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What are you trying to say??


Franklin is damn sure selling that a vandy education is worth more than the competition.


The degree of difficulty in those classes I seriously doubt is ever discussed only the overall value. If anything he is downplaying the difficulty to the recruit and families.
 
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Relating this all back to football, if you are paying more for the alumni network at Vanderbilt since we have established that is all the "better education" amounts to, using education as a recruiting tool to establish an advantage over UT is shenanigans. I would wager that no matter the degree a former UT football player got has ever had trouble getting a job outside of football. A UT football alum's network is probably pretty extensive.
 
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Volnukem said:
Relating this all back to football, if you are paying more for the alumni network at Vanderbilt since we have established that is all the "better education" amounts to, using education as a recruiting tool to establish an advantage over UT is shenanigans. I would wager that no matter the degree a former UT football player got has ever had trouble getting a job outside of football. A UT football alum's network is probably pretty extensive.
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yup. Even if Vandy education is "better", the connections a UT player can and will make with our extensive fanbase and support system will give him a huge advantage.

Also, if that player doesn't make the NFL, he will have a good shot getting a graduate assistant spot on a team with the recommendations of UT coaches.

Bottom line: I don't think for a football player there is any advantage at all to go to Vandy over UT unless he wants to get a degree and join the normal workforce (out of sports all together). But even then, there is more UT alumni (vol fanatics like us) who might hire somebody because they were a former Vol player
 
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Volnatic said:
I did indeed. When did you graduate from UT? I was May '10
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Missed this.

I graduated in '08 and did some non-profit work that I was really into at the time before going back. I didn't really network well in undergrad and have tried to fix that in law school. Hopefully it pays off.

Good luck tomorrow.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
Missed this.

I graduated in '08 and did some non-profit work that I was really into at the time before going back. I didn't really network well in undergrad and have tried to fix that in law school. Hopefully it pays off.

Good luck tomorrow.
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I have a logistics degree and a law degree as well. I am a bit older. Being from Memphis, you would figure that FedEx would be perfect, but I went in another direction. Good luck- the legal field is getting tough.
 
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Sheik Yerbouti said:
I have no reason to doubt you, except I think your average vanderbilt alum would have been able to write a much better post about it.
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Well as that posting from an iPhone isn't my strong
suit I apologize or the poor grammar.
I did say I was a science grad not a literature grad right ?

Not that it matters to you fella. You're just looking to be a smart ass
 
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My wife is a Vandy grad. According to her, the bill to attend Vandy vs the payout IS NOT worth it. Maybe in the longer term it will be, but not right now, and she graduated 9 years ago.
 
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VolGee4 said:
I have a logistics degree and a law degree as well. I am a bit older. Being from Memphis, you would figure that FedEx would be perfect, but I went in another direction. Good luck- the legal field is getting tough.
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UT's philosophy and religious studies programs are also great pathways to law school. They've had kids get into Haaavahd Law and other upper tier schools (the Harvard Law student I heard about came from religious studies, IIRC). It didn't make much sense to me until I really thought about it -- both programs are philosophy programs (RS which combines philosophy with history and the classics and is interlinked with UT's philosophy dept.).

RS surprised me the most when I heard it produced so many law students but of course, the academic study of RS is very much about studying text, textual interpretation, and learning about religious laws and codes. And the love law schools have for philosophy majors just makes sense when you realize law school focuses so much on formal logic and critical thinking and the LSAT is basically a test of formal logic skills.

Speaking of which... did those of you who took the LSAT recently do one of those Kaplan style prep courses or just study at home? I'm curious as to whether or not they live up to the hype or the enormous price tag.
 
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UTProf said:
UT's philosophy and religious studies programs are also great pathways to law school. They've had kids get into Haaavahd Law and other upper tier schools (the Harvard Law student I heard about came from religious studies, IIRC). It didn't make much sense to me until I really thought about it -- both programs are philosophy programs (RS which combines philosophy with history and the classics and is interlinked with UT's philosophy dept.).

RS surprised me the most when I heard it produced so many law students but of course, the academic study of RS is very much about studying text, textual interpretation, and learning about religious laws and codes. And the love law schools have for philosophy majors just makes sense when you realize law school focuses so much on formal logic and critical thinking and the LSAT is basically a test of formal logic skills.

Speaking of which... did those of you who took the LSAT recently do one of those Kaplan style prep courses or just study at home? I'm curious as to whether or not they live up to the hype or the enormous price tag.
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I studied on my own, but I did use a couple Kaplan books. Honestly, I took five full practice tests, worked through the logic games book, and two other books from a friends Kaplan course. I scored two points below my goal, but did well enough to get into all the schools I applied to but Northwestern.

I did have several friends who swore by one of the other exam review services, but for the life of me, I can't remember the name. I think one of them scored a 170 or a 169, but I don't know how much of that was the course, and how much was her just being very bright.

Ultimately, I would say taking practice tests is the way to go. You've got to really try to simulate test day, but once you've got a few strategies down for each section, the familiarity is really what you want. Games is the section where people actually normally see marked improvement during their studies, so if that score is low starting off it can be improved with strategy.
 
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RhodesVol said:
I studied on my own, but I did use a couple Kaplan books. Honestly, I took five full practice tests, worked through the logic games book, and two other books from a friends Kaplan course. I scored two points below my goal, but did well enough to get into all the schools I applied to but Northwestern.

I did have several friends who swore by one of the other exam review services, but for the life of me, I can't remember the name. I think one of them scored a 170 or a 169, but I don't know how much of that was the course, and how much was her just being very bright.

Ultimately, I would say taking practice tests is the way to go. You've got to really try to simulate test day, but once you've got a few strategies down for each section, the familiarity is really what you want. Games is the section where people actually normally see marked improvement during their studies, so if that score is low starting off it can be improved with strategy.
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Thanks for the info. I've considered a law degree along with yet another one/dual degree in economics for years and even took law classes at the law school while I was in grad school in yet another field but have never applied. It's always been one of those 'maybe one day' kinda things and since it would be a whole new area for me I've put it off despite my interest. I think I'd like to go back and that if I score high enough that my experience really would be perfect for a TA/GTA position to fund my education. I just wish schools were upfront about whether or no they'll count my 4.0 through grad school as my ugrad wasn't as good (still good but not a 4.0).

Any advice/info you have is much appreciated. :hi:
 
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UTProf said:
Thanks for the info. I've considered a law degree along with yet another one/dual degree in economics for years and even took law classes at the law school while I was in grad school in yet another field but have never applied. It's always been one of those 'maybe one day' kinda things and since it would be a whole new area for me I've put it off despite my interest. I think I'd like to go back and that if I score high enough that my experience really would be perfect for a TA/GTA position to fund my education. I just wish schools were upfront about whether or no they'll count my 4.0 through grad school as my ugrad wasn't as good (still good but not a 4.0).

Any advice/info you have is much appreciated. :hi:
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I was a Religion/English double major in college. Decent GPA, enough to get a TA position and scholarship to Grad school. Got a Masters in English. Got pretty close to a 4.0 and then applied to law school.

That was NEVER my plan, just sort of happened. I ended up getting admitted and a small token scholarship to law school. 100% believe that my grad school experience played a big factor in that. Also, I was applying to law school at the same university as my grad program, that may have helped too.

*edit... YMMV.. I'm recounting events 12-15 years ago, so some things may have changed.
 
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vol.E said:
Well as that posting from an iPhone isn't my strong
suit I apologize or the poor grammar.
I did say I was a science grad not a literature grad right ?

Not that it matters to you fella. You're just looking to be a smart ass
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If you intend to compare yourself favorably to well-educated people, you should at least try to communicate in complete sentences and use the correct words. Carelessness undermines your point, and, in this particular instance, it also reflects poorly on UT.

I'm sure you're awesome at "science" though.
 
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UTProf said:
Thanks for the info. I've considered a law degree along with yet another one/dual degree in economics for years and even took law classes at the law school while I was in grad school in yet another field but have never applied. It's always been one of those 'maybe one day' kinda things and since it would be a whole new area for me I've put it off despite my interest. I think I'd like to go back and that if I score high enough that my experience really would be perfect for a TA/GTA position to fund my education. I just wish schools were upfront about whether or no they'll count my 4.0 through grad school as my ugrad wasn't as good (still good but not a 4.0).

Any advice/info you have is much appreciated. :hi:
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I did the Kaplan course. Honestly, I don't think I got much out of it when I did it. I did their program and ended up only increasing my score by 5 pts from their entry exam ( despite making scores 10-15 points higher than my real score on all of the intermittent practice exams I took). It was frustrating, but it doesn't matter once you're in law school. No one gives a crap what your LSAT score was.
 
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UTProf said:
UT's philosophy and religious studies programs are also great pathways to law school. They've had kids get into Haaavahd Law and other upper tier schools (the Harvard Law student I heard about came from religious studies, IIRC). It didn't make much sense to me until I really thought about it -- both programs are philosophy programs (RS which combines philosophy with history and the classics and is interlinked with UT's philosophy dept.).

RS surprised me the most when I heard it produced so many law students but of course, the academic study of RS is very much about studying text, textual interpretation, and learning about religious laws and codes. And the love law schools have for philosophy majors just makes sense when you realize law school focuses so much on formal logic and critical thinking and the LSAT is basically a test of formal logic skills.

Speaking of which... did those of you who took the LSAT recently do one of those Kaplan style prep courses or just study at home? I'm curious as to whether or not they live up to the hype or the enormous price tag.
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At UT, we spent a good deal of time looking at the development and underlying policy of the law. I think a predisposition to thinking philosophically can really help with that. In 1L classes, the people that I thought were worth listening to were usually philosophy majors. They just caught on to the policy much faster than I did.

As far as the LSAT, I just bought a book of old tests from the LSAC and took a few practice tests untimed and then took several timed tests. I will say that if any test was ever written to suit my particular skill set and way of thinking it was the LSAT. I totally screwed up my time management on two sections of the actual test and still managed a decent score.

I will second what was said before about nobody caring about your score and also add that, in my case, it was a poor reflection of my law school aptitude. I am not unintelligent, but law school has often made me feel slow and dumb. The way I learn and the way things are taught did not mesh well at all.
 
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