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Volnukem

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I hate getting off topic, but screw it.

Vandy is better academically than UT, but look at the difference in tuition.

Vandy-$41,928
UT-$9,684

The education you get there isn't four times better than the one you get at UT, especially in engineering where many of the disciplines are equal to or better than Vanderbilt's programs. If you examine the schools academically on a cost-based analysis, UT stands up rather well against the overpriced education at Vandy.
 
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Volnukem said:
I hate getting off topic, but screw it.

Vandy is better academically than UT, but look at the difference in tuition.

Vandy-$41,928
UT-$9,684

The education you get there isn't four times better than the one you get at UT, especially in engineering where many of the disciplines are equal to or better than Vanderbilt's programs. If you examine the schools academically on a cost-based analysis, UT stands up rather well against the overpriced education at Vandy.
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I agree about over priced education but you also make a point vandy is selling. Their stance is come there and get a 1/4mil dollar education vs go to Tenn and get an 75k one. It's another way of measuring the value for them.
 
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Volnukem said:
I hate getting off topic, but screw it.

Vandy is better academically than UT, but look at the difference in tuition.

Vandy-$41,928
UT-$9,684

The education you get there isn't four times better than the one you get at UT, especially in engineering where many of the disciplines are equal to or better than Vanderbilt's programs. If you examine the schools academically on a cost-based analysis, UT stands up rather well against the overpriced education at Vandy.
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How do the salaries stack up?
 
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sanddune50 said:
Does this include all of the players UT has put into the NFL vs Jay Cutler? If so UT by a landslide
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And now that Candy loving Jerry Angelo is out at Chicago, the Dore NFL pipeline runs dust dry :yes:
 
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namasteVOLfans said:
How do the salaries stack up?
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There is some info out there that claims the lifetime income of a private school graduate is 1mil more than a public school. Once again this data isn't comparing apples to oranges but make no mistake those figures are being used by Franklin in recruiting especially the mothers of recruits.
 
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BruinVol said:
I agree about over priced education but you also make a point vandy is selling. Their stance is come there and get a 1/4mil dollar education vs go to Tenn and get an 75k one. It's another way of measuring the value for them.
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Only problem is, on average, a Vandy student will never a $250k value out of that degree in comparison to other lesser priced institutions. Vandy's all reputation when a majority of employers don't give a rats arse where you got your degree from.

Hell, I was recently speaking to a doctor who trained at Vandy lamenting how much he paid vs his partner who went to UT medical school in Memphis. HE said it wasn't worth it and medicine is one of the fields everyone agrees that it makes sense to go to Vandy for.
 
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BruinVol said:
There is some info out there that claims the lifetime income of a private school graduate is 1mil more than a public school. Once again this data isn't comparing apples to oranges but make no mistake those figures are being used by Franklin in recruiting especially the mothers of recruits.
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My wife and I both went too public university and both have accelerated in the medical and science field beyond plenty of Vandqy grads we know personally with equal degree qualifications.
 
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BruinVol said:
There is some info out there that claims the lifetime income of a private school graduate is 1mil more than a public school. Once again this data isn't comparing apples to oranges but make no mistake those figures are being used by Franklin in recruiting especially the mothers of recruits.
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Does that info pertain to undergrad or graduate level education?
 
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BruinVol said:
There is some info out there that claims the lifetime income of a private school graduate is 1mil more than a public school. Once again this data isn't comparing apples to oranges but make no mistake those figures are being used by Franklin in recruiting especially the mothers of recruits.
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Doesn't apply to football players.
 
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Tennessee Golfer said:
Doesn't apply to football players.
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That's why I said it was apples to oranges. Those figures are slanted because a higher % of the private school graduates start their careers on third base. I would like to see what a middle to lower class graduate earns to fairly compare.


Again these are number the private schools use in recruiting. It only has to fit into the perceived truth category to be effective with recruits like Barnett.
 
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BruinVol said:
That's why I said it was apples to oranges. Those figures are slanted because a higher % of the private school graduates start their careers on third base. I would like to see what a middle to lower class graduate earns to fairly compare.


Again these are number the private schools use in recruiting. It only has to fit into the perceived truth category to be effective with recruits like Barnett.
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I would say it's not so much the degree starting out as it is the alumni network. I recently graduated from a small private school and have found it's not what you know starting out but who knows you.
 
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Tennessee Golfer said:
I would say it's not so much the degree starting out as it is the alumni network. I recently graduated from a small private school and have found it's not what you know starting out but who knows you.
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Agreed. To take it a step further its who your parents know. That's why a higher % of private school graduates get a quicker start into the elite jobs which slants that figure I posted about.
 
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BruinVol said:
Agreed. To take it a step further its who your parents know. That's why a higher % of private school graduates get a quicker start into the elite jobs which slants that figure I posted about.
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I mean obviously anyone who has the money to afford that education probably already has their foot in the door to a high-paying job.
 
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VolFromNashville said:
It's definitely a matter of perception
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Yep. It doesn't matter what you and I know to be true it only matters what a recruit and his family believe. IMO it's a pretty easy sell for vandy here IF academics/economics(outside of football) are the deciding factor.
 
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BruinVol said:
There is some info out there that claims the lifetime income of a private school graduate is 1mil more than a public school. Once again this data isn't comparing apples to oranges but make no mistake those figures are being used by Franklin in recruiting especially the mothers of recruits.
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I would like to see this stacked against the disciplines. For instance, I would think an MBA from Vandy holds more weight. I would think they have a better chance at landing a good job upon graduation.

On the other side there is a less than 1% unemployment rate for Engineering, medical and Computer science degrees and Vandy doesn't hold any more weight than any other D1 school.
 
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BruinVol said:
Agreed. To take it a step further its who your parents know. That's why a higher % of private school graduates get a quicker start into the elite jobs which slants that figure I posted about.
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Much more important on who your parents are! If they are wealthy and own their business they can send you to Vandy and guarantee you a job when you get out of school at their business. That really makes Vandy look good on academics because family will hire you first.
 
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Volnukem said:
I hate getting off topic, but screw it.

Vandy is better academically than UT, but look at the difference in tuition.

Vandy-$41,928
UT-$9,684

The education you get there isn't four times better than the one you get at UT, especially in engineering where many of the disciplines are equal to or better than Vanderbilt's programs. If you examine the schools academically on a cost-based analysis, UT stands up rather well against the overpriced education at Vandy.
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Elitist private schools are very expensive, their degree counts more(?) . :question:
 
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vol.E said:
My wife and I both went too public university[,] and [we] both have [excelled] in the medical and science field beyond plenty of Vandqy grads we know personally with equal degree qualifications.
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I have no reason to doubt you, except I think your average vanderbilt alum would have been able to write a much better post about it.
 
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I would guess a lot of students that go there do not need financial assistance. I saw incoming freshman last year only received a total of 5% from federal and state aid. What makes a private school like this add value is how much is given back. Vandy received over $37 million from alumni last year for the incoming class alone. Small schools like this seem to take care of their own. I believe Davidson now like many other private schools are doing make sure when you graduate you have no school loans to pay back.

I also agree that in many programs the degree is no better than many state schools regarding what a student learns and can apply. But the name carries weight, which I think really though does very little for a football player. Legacy of an alum, or from the right circles prior to going to Vandy may help get that top salary, but these football recruits are not from that same circle and their degree in the end will not help them anymore than someone from a public university when they come out and are back on even ground applying for the same job. JMO
 
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