Matangi Tai Dead in Phoenix Jail

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n_huffhines

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Not sure if you saw this video that went viral. Whether you think the use of force is justified, all around these police officers get a big fail. They were so reckless and put others in danger.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kqnjixk2MEI#at=148[/youtube]

Tai died this week after collapsing in jail after a workout. No foul play is suspected, but he should've never been there in the first place. He has obvious and severe mental health issues. This is just crazy.

Love the civilian that reprimands the cop for running the red light.
 
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I haven't heard of this. What are you saying was wreckless and why do the police get a fail? Again,I haven't seen anything about this case but it looked to me like the officer was trying to subdue the subject and he wouldn't comply. Sorry, apparently I've been under a rock.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Did you watch the video? A cop flew through a red light at a busy intersection, which was completely dangerous (I think they say on the video that he hit a lady).

Here is more on the story. Not really so much about the "reckless" part.

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I had to rewatch it because the first time, I had to watch it with the sound off. Some points.

1. If my fellow officer is in a fight with a subject, you best believe I am running lights and sirens. In that instance, it is within our rights to run a red light. Using caution of course, but make no mistake, I'm coming.

2. At first, it was all good. The officer was trying to subdue him and that's all well and good. Even the taser drive stuns he gave him were fine. However, the closed fist striking while on the ground is not okay. He wasn't fighting the officer, he was resisting. IMO, there is no causes for striking in that situation.

Just my observations. Like I said, I hadn't heard of this case until now.
 
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BigOrange15 said:
I had to rewatch it because the first time, I had to watch it with the sound off. Some points.

1. If my fellow officer is in a fight with a subject, you best believe I am running lights and sirens. In that instance, it is within our rights to run a red light. Using caution of course, but make no mistake, I'm coming.

2. At first, it was all good. The officer was trying to subdue him and that's all well and good. Even the taser drive stuns he gave him were fine. However, the closed fist striking while on the ground is not okay. He wasn't fighting the officer, he was resisting. IMO, there is no causes for striking in that situation.

Just my observations. Like I said, I hadn't heard of this case until now.
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It may be legal for you, but if it's not right for a civilian to dangerously blow through a red light to help a friend, then it's not right for the police to do it. You're not more important than us.
 
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n_huffhines said:
It may be legal for you, but if it's not right for a civilian to dangerously blow through a red light to help a friend, then it's not right for the police to do it. You're not more important than us.
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I agree. I don't think I'm more important than you or anyone else. If I stopped you for running a red light and you told me that you blew the light because your wife called and was at home and there was an intruder in the house, you'd be getting a police escort and I would be on that radio faster than you could blink.
 
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BigOrange15 said:
I agree. I don't think I'm more important than you or anyone else. If I stopped you for running a red light and you told me that you blew the light because your wife called and was at home and there was an intruder in the house, you'd be getting a police escort and I would be on that radio faster than you could blink.
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I had to rush someone to a hospital once. I called cops on way to hospital. Said I would be traveling at a high rate of speed and gave info on the my truck. Officers saw me and gave a escort. But was also told they could still cite me for it. I was like "WTF"

But I wasn't. Just so happened one of the cops working recognized my truck.

Luckily everyone was okay too.
 
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Obsessed said:
I had to rush someone to a hospital once. I called cops on way to hospital. Said I would be traveling at a high rate of speed and gave info on the my truck. Officers saw me and gave a escort. But was also told they could still cite me for it. I was like "WTF"

But I wasn't. Just so happened one of the cops working recognized my truck.

Luckily everyone was okay too.
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I guess technically they COULD but if you called in like that and did your part, I don't know any officer that would cite you for it.
 
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Don't run lights when emergency vehicles are coming through. I don't see anything wrong with what any officer did in the video.

You resist arrest plan to get your azz beat.
 
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BigOrange15 said:
I guess technically they COULD but if you called in like that and did your part, I don't know any officer that would cite you for it.
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They officers who escorted me didn't say that to me. It was the main office line when I called in. I didn't call 911. I called the non-emergency number.
 
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Obsessed said:
They officers who escorted me didn't say that to me. It was the main office line when I called in. I didn't call 911. I called the non-emergency number.
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No, that was the right move. I understood what you meant, I just didn't word it very well, haha.
 
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n_huffhines said:
It may be legal for you, but if it's not right for a civilian to dangerously blow through a red light to help a friend, then it's not right for the police to do it. You're not more important than us.
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TCA 55-8-108 says different.
 
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Some of you guys act like the cops are out to kill everyone. I don't have a problem with what I saw in the video from the cops. He wasn't putting his hands behind his back so punches were thrown. I couldn't see the guy flying through the intersection so I can't comment on that.

Some of the bystanders were pushing their luck IMO. It wasn't that they were necessarily antagonizing the cops, but they were cursing them. That's a good way to create some undue hell for yourself.
 
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As an officer, to me, closed fist strikes are something to be used only as a tool of last resort or as a quick stun shot if a suspect is coming at you, not to subdue a suspect. For one thing, they look bad. They may not do a ton of damage, but it looks like you are administering an ass beating and you never want to present the image of the cop just beating the crap out of someone. If you can subdue with a drive stun or some sort of lock, that's what you should try to do. It looked to me as thought the officer had the upper hand, especially when backup arrived. I would have probably tried to do without the punches. Jmo of course.
 
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Can someone tell me what the point of tazing and punching him continually after he was already down was?
 
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MercyPercy said:
Can someone tell me what the point of tazing and punching him continually after he was already down was?
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If he was resisting and it looked like he was, tasing him is the ideal way to gain compliance. Its tough to get cuffs on when the guy gets squirrelly. I've already said my piece on the punching.
 
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BigOrange15 said:
Elaborate?
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I think they need to learn more about MMA type takedowns. It sounds like its first instinct for some cops to use their fists. Cops were never meant to be anything more than peace officers. Now its almost the military.
 
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Burger said:
I think they need to learn more about MMA type takedowns. It sounds like its first instinct for some cops to use their fists. Cops were never meant to be anything more than peace officers. Now its almost the military.
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I agree with you, Burger. I think departments should have a standardized form that is statewide. Be it MMA, Krav Maga, Sambo, whatever. Like I said earlier, it looks worse in the public eye to punch someone than it does to execute a takedown with proper training. Not only does it look better to the public, it is more effective than beating the holy hell out of the suspect.
 
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BigOrange15 said:
I agree with you, Burger. I think departments should have a standardized form that is statewide. Be it MMA, Krav Maga, Sambo, whatever. Like I said earlier, it looks worse in the public eye to punch someone than it does to execute a takedown with proper training. Not only does it look better to the public, it is more effective than beating the holy hell out of the suspect.
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Exactly, I'm not an unreasonable person in reasoning. I feel sorry for the good cops. Takedowns won't hurt the person resisting permanently. Honestly, everybody needs to learn about being a decent human.
 
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BigOrange15 said:
I agree with you, Burger. I think departments should have a standardized form that is statewide. Be it MMA, Krav Maga, Sambo, whatever. Like I said earlier, it looks worse in the public eye to punch someone than it does to execute a takedown with proper training. Not only does it look better to the public, it is more effective than beating the holy hell out of the suspect.
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The police are becoming too militarized and aggressive. I've seen some really good one's and some really terrible one's.
 
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