Matangi Tai Dead in Phoenix Jail

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Burger said:
No reason to beat on innocent people. If these people deserved it. There wouldn't be a thread. Cops abuse their powers in so many ways. They need to be taught to follow their own rules.
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Did you just say all cops beat on innocent people? Rhetorical, but this is the disconnect. You cannot take a few videos and condemn a profession that has about a million daily interactions without incident. Take the incidents for what they are, isolated incidents.
 
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tim said:
Did you just say all cops beat on innocent people? Rhetorical, but this is the disconnect. You cannot take a few videos and condemn a profession that has about a million daily interactions without incident. Take the incidents for what they are, isolated incidents.
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Doesn't seem to be saying that at all.
 
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It's no coincidence that with the abundance of recording devices people have these days, these type of incidents are caught all the time. Honestly I think anyone who has a confrontation with the police should be recording. Maybe if you let them know, they'll think about cases like this and be less inclined to be abusive.
 
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n_huffhines said:
This about Kelly Thomas who was mentally ill. He got in an altercation with police and they killed him. The video is nuts. You can hear the man crying for his Dad to save him. It's like the saddest thing you've ever seen. Might ruin your day.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7YFKm9gnKo[/youtube]
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That whole thing was horrible.
 
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Technically, tim is right. Punches are an accepted form of gaining compliance and they are effective. But, as with everything in life, you have to use common sense. If you have a mentally disturbed person on the pavement with 3 officers on top of him, you PROBABLY don't have to use closed fist strikes to accomplish what you need. I don't think tim is condoning the punching of this man, just saying that with a normal takedown, that is it is an acceptable and effective tactic.
 
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This is pretty sickening. It's a tough scenario, but it didn't need to escalate like this.

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Moments before off-duty Frederick County sheriff’s deputies tried to force a young man with Down syndrome out of a movie theater — a move that eventually led to his death — Robert Ethan Saylor’s 18-year-old aide warned them that he would “freak out” if they touched him.

“Next thing I know, there are I think three or four cops holding Ethan, trying to put him in handcuffs,” the aide told authorities, according to documents from the Frederick County Sheriff’s Department obtained Monday by the Associated Press. “I heard Ethan screaming, saying ‘ouch,’ ‘don’t touch me,’ ‘get off’ and crying. Next thing I hear is nothing.”

As the deputies tried to restrain and lead Saylor from the theater, the four fell in a heap on a slightly inclined ramp and, during a struggle, the deputies placed three sets of handcuffs on him. When Saylor suddenly grew quiet and unresponsive, the deputies removed the handcuffs and administered CPR.

The Chief Medical Examiner’s Office in Baltimore ruled Saylor’s death a homicide as a result of asphyxia. There was unexplained damage to his larynx.

A witness said one of the deputies had a knee on Saylor’s back, but no one reported seeing the deputies touch Saylor’s neck.
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Aide to man with Down syndrome who died in theater had warned police, report says - The Washington Post
 
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Vols520 said:
This one doesn't seem as bad as the Fullerton one in terms of actions from police.

Maybe better training with mentally disabled? However, in general cops have to be able to protect themselves even if its a mentally disabled person.
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I have a real hard time believing that man was any threat to those officers.
 
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I agree, though nothing about this scenario suggests it was self-defense. All they know how to do is respond with force. The Aide made it clear to the theater staff and the police that they should be patient and the guy's tantrum would be resolved. They were warned not to touch him. Their inflexibility to weigh the situation at hand is what is so worrisome.
 
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tim said:
Did you just say all cops beat on innocent people? Rhetorical, but this is the disconnect. You cannot take a few videos and condemn a profession that has about a million daily interactions without incident. Take the incidents for what they are, isolated incidents.
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These isolated incidents are happening more and more. It's like cops are turning into the military.
 
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Burger said:
These isolated incidents are happening more and more. It's like cops are turning into the military.
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I have to disagree with you here, Burger. As a whole, officer abuses of power are NOWHERE close to as high as they used to be. The difference now as opposed to, say, the 80's is that almost every person over the age of 12 has a phone with a camera on it. This gives the impression that it is a very common occurrence when, in reality, its quite the opposite.
 
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tim said:
... You cannot take a few videos and condemn a profession that has about a million daily interactions without incident. Take the incidents for what they are, isolated incidents.
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MercyPercy said:
It's no coincidence that with the abundance of recording devices people have these days, these type of incidents are caught all the time. Honestly I think anyone who has a confrontation with the police should be recording. Maybe if you let them know, they'll think about cases like this and be less inclined to be abusive.
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Burger said:
These isolated incidents are happening more and more. It's like cops are turning into the military.
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BigOrange15 said:
... The difference now as opposed to, say, the 80's is that almost every person over the age of 12 has a phone with a camera on it. This gives the impression that it is a very common occurrence when, in reality, its quite the opposite.
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You would think that the good cops would appreciate video recording to help clean out their ranks. There are now efforts to make it a crime to video tape police officers and there are just as many videos out there showing LEO confiscating phones, cameras, and arresting citizens for video recording (which is legal right now). Makes a person wonder why. :question:
 
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OrangeSquid said:
You would think that the good cops would appreciate video recording to help clean out their ranks. There are now efforts to make it a crime to video tape police officers and there are just as many videos out there showing LEO confiscating phones, cameras, and arresting citizens for video recording (which is legal right now). Makes a person wonder why. :question:
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They do.
 
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Burger said:
Why do we have to send 10 SWAT team guys to capture one person? Do you live in a smaller town like Mayberry?
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There is a massive difference between the average patrol officer and SWAT. Of course SWAT is like the military, that's the whole point. The SWAT teams are military like units so the average officer doesn't have to be.
 
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n_huffhines said:
The guy has severe mental health issues. In his TV interview he didn't even seem to be aware that he was in prison. Reports are that he was responding very incoherently to the cops questions.

It just seems to me that cops are not trained to handle the mentally impaired. They respond with force like they are taking down a gangbanger.

I worked with the mentally handicapped and occasionally they behaved very violently and we were trained to take them down and detain them without hurting them. It wasn't always pretty, but we were always able to detain bigger people without socking them in the nose.

If 3 cops can't put the cuffs on a downed suspect without punching him repeatedly, and without tasing him, then they need to find a new line of work.

Police work is tough. It's not for everybody.
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Cop probably thought he was on dope
 
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Burger said:
Why do we have to send 10 SWAT team guys to capture one person? Do you live in a smaller town like Mayberry?
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What? My LE career took me through San Antonio, Chicago, DC, Atlanta, and Nashville. Mayberry sounds good though.
 
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