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#582
#582
Stockton had the greatest two seasons a PG has ever had. Nobody else has averaged 14 assists in a season, and Stockton did it twice, scoring 17 ppg in both seasons, shooting a ridiculous %, and being named 2nd team all-defensive.
 
#584
#584
n_huffhines said:
Isiah Thomas is one of the most overrated players ever, but GP in his prime is arguably better than Kidd...Kidd just had a lot more longevity.
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IYO about Zeke. My thing with GP is, he is the best offensive/defensive combo to ever play the position. IMO Who else gave you 20-24pts, 7-8ast, 4reb and locked the best perimeter player? Most people know he's my favorite player, but still dude was a beast.
 
#586
#586
If we are just throwing out numbers KJ has some really really good years. 3 or 4 20-10 years.
 
#587
#587
bentenn said:
My list. Doesn't mean these are the best available, just who I'd like on a team for a season.

PG: Rondo/Curry
SG: Westbrook/K. Thompson/T. Allen
SF: Paul George/Aldridge
PF: Kevin Love/Manimal
C: Howard/Noah/Varejao
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I like your list except Rondo. I hate watching him dribble around in circles.
 
#588
#588
BadJerry20 said:
IYO about Zeke. My thing with GP is, he is the best offensive/defensive combo to ever play the position. IMO Who else gave you 20-24pts, 7-8ast, 4reb and locked the best perimeter player? Most people know he's my favorite player, but still dude was a beast.
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Zeke was an awesome distributor early in his career, for about 4 years. When he slowed down there, he had nothing really left to offer. People consider him a scorer, but he scored a lot because he shot a lot. He was terribly inefficient. Below league average for his career. Was only above league average one season.
 
#591
#591
n_huffhines said:
Zeke was an awesome distributor early in his career, for about 4 years. When he slowed down there, he had nothing really left to offer. People consider him a scorer, but he scored a lot because he shot a lot. He was terribly inefficient. Below league average for his career. Was only above league average one season.
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Are the risk of making me punch my phone...where would you put Zeke?
 
#592
#592
BadJerry20 said:
Are the risk of making me punch my phone...where would you put Zeke?
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He's too far down the list to even care. If you're a "scorer" and can't actually make good use of your shots then you're useless.

Like I said, for about 4 years he was a legitimate all-star, and the rest of his career he rode the coat-tails of the bad boy Pistons. They won because they were toughest interior and defensive team.
 
#593
#593
n_huffhines said:
He's too far down the list to even care. If you're a "scorer" and can't actually make good use of your shots then you're useless.

Like I said, for about 4 years he was a legitimate all-star, and the rest of his career he rode the coat-tails of the bad boy Pistons. They won because they were toughest interior and defensive team.
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Lulz
 
#594
#594
n_huffhines said:
He's too far down the list to even care. If you're a "scorer" and can't actually make good use of your shots then you're useless.

Like I said, for about 4 years he was a legitimate all-star, and the rest of his career he rode the coat-tails of the bad boy Pistons. They won because they were toughest interior and defensive team.
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You know nothing about the Bad Boys Pistons. Don't even try and make an argument that you do.
 
#595
#595
And nobody thought Isiah was a scoring point guard. That's dumb rhetoric.
 
#596
#596
I'd like hines to tell me how Isiah Thomas "rode the coattails" when for that second title run, he averaged 20.5 points, 8 assists, 2.2 steals, shot 46% from the field and 47 from three during the 1989-1990 playoffs.
 
#597
#597
haha

Brian Schroeder ‏@Cosmis 4m
Carmelo Anthony still leads the playoffs in shots taken with 310, 42 shots ahead of second place Paul George.
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#598
#598
zjcvols said:
I'd like hines to tell me how Isiah Thomas "rode the coattails" when for that second title run, he averaged 20.5 points, 8 assists, 2.2 steals, shot 46% from the field and 47 from three during the 1989-1990 playoffs.
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He was really good in those playoffs. One postseason doesn't make you an all-time great. He was pretty bad the year before in the playoffs, and they mowed right through the competition.

He rode their coat-tails because what made them a great team wasn't their scoring ability, it was their interior toughness and defense. The 88-89 team was 16th in points, 17th in assists, 25th in steals. What made the Bad Boys elite was their defensive rebounding (7th), offensive rebounding (4th), defensive FG % (2nd), FG% (5th - credit to 7 contributing players not named Isiah who shot above league average efficiency).

Isiah had little to do with what they did well as a team.
 
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