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I4Jay said:
You are either misremembering or just making up stuff to stabilize your point.

Arian Foster was awesome his RS Frosh year and his JR year.

Not particularly hard to tackle? You'd be hard pressed to find a 220 Lb RB who wasnt fast at all who made more people miss in open space with just a quick plant, hesitation or shoulder shake

His Vision and ability to find cutback lanes were always Outstanding.



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:lol: stop arguing with someone trying to compare those backs to Foster. He's a stats king that knows nothing about the game. Lol
 
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Ericvol2096 said:
Dooley didn't leave him with much to work with this last recruiting cycle. He had to try and rebuild a lot of broken relationships in a short amount of time. He inherited a class that was ranked ~#50 in the country and raised it to ~#20.

Kiffin and Dooley inherited top 15 classes and maintained that when they were new hires.

Also you say he was not an elite recruiter at Cincy but history proves otherwise. His years at Cincy were the best recruiting rankings they have ever had.
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I disagree. We have.more talent than our subpar coaching has shown. I'm not buying that this defense is the worst in CFB. The coaching was the worst. I say eight games with a major upset.
 
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Arguments that Neal and Lane should be better running backs than Foster because they are faster. Haha! Typical ridiculous opinions based on the thinking that football is just a track meet in pads. Foster, even in college, showed so many excellent running back qualities that they don't have. You know NFL Pro Bowl qualities.
 
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therickbol said:
Arguments that Neal and Lane should be better running backs than Foster because they are faster. Haha! Typical ridiculous opinions based on the thinking that football is just a track meet in pads. Foster, even in college, showed so many excellent running back qualities that they don't have. You know NFL Pro Bowl qualities.
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This. Neal and Lane certainly have potential and arguably the best line to run behind, but based upon pure football skill they are not Arian Foster.
 
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LynxVol said:
Thanks for posting. Too bad that's not the real reason why he left UT. The reason he left was because he was uncomfortable with our current coaching staff, he was tired of working for a million different coaches, and more importantly, he wasn't getting paid what he thought he was worth. I don't disagree with him either.
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Really still trying use pay as a reason? We offered him more money than what he is making at Florida State. He took a pay cut to leave.
 
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therickbol said:
Really still trying use pay as a reason? We offered him more money than what he is making at Florida State. He took a pay cut to leave.
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I may have missed that. Could you post the report/story? From what I've read, all I read is that we matched his offer.
 
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LynxVol said:
Thanks for posting. Too bad that's not the real reason why he left UT. The reason he left was because he was uncomfortable with our current coaching staff, he was tired of working for a million different coaches, and more importantly, he wasn't getting paid what he thought he was worth. I don't disagree with him either.
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He was making $260k, Butch offered him $300k to stay. He took $275k to leave. Isn't that what happened?
 
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Ron Swanson said:
He was making $260k, Butch offered him $300k to stay. He took $275k to leave. Isn't that what happened?
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Honestly, I'm not sure. I've been working a ton lately, and I could have very easily missed the story where it was reported. I just know that I read a story which stated that the offer was matched. I was unaware he left for less money.

Either way, the article posted did not state the real reason why he left, whether I'm right or wrong about the pay.
 
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Ron Swanson said:
He was making $260k, Butch offered him $300k to stay. He took $275k to leave. Isn't that what happened?
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I think it was being under appreciated. They should have paid him more to start. If someone matches only when you force their hand, it's not the same thing.

Still, I think it was more of style thing, he didn't mesh well.
 
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Reading through all of these threads, is almost everyone on Rivals a 5.7 3*? Are they just incredibly lazy? SIAP I didn't see a discussion on it.
 
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therickbol said:
Really still trying use pay as a reason? We offered him more money than what he is making at Florida State. He took a pay cut to leave.
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Underpaid on the front end and got his feelings hurt. The offer to keep him couldn't repair his ego that was damaged by the initial salary in which he was at the bottom of the pecking order.
 
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sjt18 said:
I said earlier, if he is a "meets expectations" coach then he will not survive at UT. UT needs an "exceeds expectations" coach to get turned around. I have also said he has to beat those he is supposed to beat plus someone he isn't.
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Saban's first year at Bama was 6-6, after they went 10-2 and 6-6 in the previous 2 years...better records than UT. Yet you would suggest that unless Butch does better than 6-6 next year he isn't an 'exceeds expectations' coach? Coach Saban would like to suggest that you might wanna wait a bit longer before making that call.

I think 7-5 is a reasonable level of improvement, especially given the ridiculous schedule, and if Butch goes 8-4 or better...name a street after him.
 
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Trying out VQ... is there any way to sort or organize the threads in the forum? The whole first page is nonsense. How do you find info?
 
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VQ Board is 99% trash.

just go to the Mods profile pages and read their post history
 
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jave36 said:
Trying out VQ... is there any way to sort or organize the threads in the forum? The whole first page is nonsense. How do you find info?
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What I usually do is just look for threads started by BRAJP.


Or click their names and their personal page pops up, and you can see their post history that is usually full of good info.
 
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I4Jay said:
You are either misremembering or just making up stuff to stabilize your point.

Arian Foster was awesome his RS Frosh year and his JR year.

Not particularly hard to tackle? You'd be hard pressed to find a 220 Lb RB who wasnt fast at all who made more people miss in open space with just a quick plant, hesitation or shoulder shake

His Vision and ability to find cutback lanes were always Outstanding.



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No. Not really. He got lots of carries. He gained over 1000 in one year and never avg'd more than 5 ypc.

I am not saying either Neal or Lane will accomplish what he accomplished. I AM saying that they have the physical talent to exceed anything he did in any single season at UT. It is a travesty that someone with Neal's speed and power has never done more than he's done.

Almost no one here was a big Foster fan until he made good in the NFL. I have nothing against the guy and wish him nothing but the best. But it is revisionist to say that his UT career success had more to do with his talent than it did with the absence of another credible RB on the team. His best attribute was that he could take lots of carries without getting hurt.
 
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vol2002 said:
Excluding bowl games, Muschamp was 6-6 his first year at Florida. Same for Saban at Alabama. Same for Pete Carroll at USC. I'm sure I could go on if I had the time...

I'm not sure why we hold CBJ to a different standard.

Personally, I think CBJ is the right guy.
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That's the problem I have with certain fans. He says that if CBJ doesn't win 8 or 9 games than he is a failure. That's a ludicrous statement to make. There's a difference between pride as a Vol fan and arrogance. We have fans that are downright narcissistic in their immediate expectations of success. That has never been the norm in CFB. Are there examples of immediate success? Yes but to expect it and than call a CBJ a failure if he doesn't in year one is borderline stupidity.
 
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vol2002 said:
This is an incredibly unreasonable set of expectations. Sure, he inherited some talent. And if we played in any other conference, we'd be good enough to win it. But we play a bunch of stout teams with equal or better talent this year. I think 6 wins is a reasonable expectation, but 8 or 9? That's ridiculous and it ignores plain reality that anyone observing our team would recognize.

I hope there aren't many other fans like you out there, because we'll be in the dumps for longhaul if we keep hiring and firing coaches based on these expectations.
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There aren't many. And I am not in love with changing coaches that often.

However I am a realist and know that a couple of 6 win seasons (or worse) will set Jones up for what could be truly unreasonable expectations in year 3. He's not getting 5 or 6 years to turn the program around. You can believe that if you like but you are going to be disappointed... or disillusioned before its over.

Matter of fact, if he does not win early... the "fire him" talk WILL pick up and especially among those who didn't like the hire. When that happens, recruits will be more reluctant to come.... and when that happens... he loses.
 
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sjt18 said:
No.

Almost no one here was a big Foster fan until he made good in the NFL. I have nothing against the guy and wish him nothing but the best. But it is revisionist to say that his UT career success had more to do with his talent than it did with the absence of another credible RB on the team. His best attribute was that he could take lots of carries without getting hurt.
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:good!: Completely agree... Foster got light up on forums...
 
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