The Bruce Pearl Thread

[OrangeBalls]

Yea, haven't heard him mentioned at all I doubt he lands a high major gig. My bigger point was...I've heard people suggesting bring back pearl with a show cause or some other program should hire him with his show cause still ongoing...if Sampson can't get hired with a show cause then pearl definitely can't.

Those people are ignorant and know nothing about a show cause. It's pretty apparent who follows basketball and who doesn't when that topic continues to come up.

 

[Volumnus 2011]

It's obvious you're making assumptions about me...i loved Bruce as much as anyone and respect what he did for us, but sorry if I'm being too realistic now. Look at their resumes, Sampson did a great job at Oklahoma, had them in the final four, 9 straight NCAAs iirc.

Did Sampson pay players, is that why you're insinuating? They both made too many phone calls to recruits...that's construed as cheating. Pearl also was approving pay for recruits lodging so they could take longer OVs to Tennessee, most would also construe this as a form of cheating. Lastly, taking players off campus to your house when it's clearly not allowed (he had been busted for it before) would also be construed as cheating by many.

In the world of recruiting every little edge matters/helps...so while these things may seem small it is a big deal and viewed as cheating.

Too many phone calls and having players at his house are referred to as secondary violations. These secondary violations result in nothing but "a slap on the wrist". Why? I don't know. But if the NCAA doesn't really have a problem with it, then neither do I.

 

[OrangeBalls]

Too many phone calls and having players at his house are referred to as secondary violations. These secondary violations result in nothing but "a slap on the wrist". Why? I don't know. But if the NCAA doesn't really have a problem with it, then neither do I.

And he wasn't fired for that. He was fired because he lied to the governing body of his sport.

Again, learn all the details and not just what you want to know or are too lazy not to know.

 

[cd12]

Wonder if Forbes would sign off on Pearl?

 

[SamRebel35]

Those people are ignorant and know nothing about a show cause. It's pretty apparent who follows basketball and who doesn't when that topic continues to come up.

What is the purpose of a show cause? If it is really as damaging as everybody is making it out to be, then why wouldn't the NCAA just institute a lifetime ban? Again, he did his crime, he paid his time. I can see athletic departments still holding it against him, but if somebody wanted to hire him, it should not be an issue at all.

 

[Volumnus 2011]

And he wasn't fired for that. He was fired because he lied to the governing body of his sport.

Again, learn all the details and not just what you want to know or are too lazy not to know.

Maybe you should learn to read what I was quoting before you tell me to learn details. Everyone knows why he was fired, Mr. Master of Knowledge.

 

[cloftonftw5]

It's obvious you're making assumptions about me...i loved Bruce as much as anyone and respect what he did for us, but sorry if I'm being too realistic now. Look at their resumes, Sampson did a great job at Oklahoma, had them in the final four, 9 straight NCAAs iirc.

Did Sampson pay players, is that why you're insinuating? They both made too many phone calls to recruits...that's construed as cheating. Pearl also was approving pay for recruits lodging so they could take longer OVs to Tennessee, most would also construe this as a form of cheating. Lastly, taking players off campus to your house when it's clearly not allowed (he had been busted for it before) would also be construed as cheating by many.

In the world of recruiting every little edge matters/helps...so while these things may seem small it is a big deal and viewed as cheating.

Sampson made over half a thousand of those phone calls, also Gordon claimed he let illegal drug use go on because winning was more important. Bruce was a good man, definitely made mistakes, but he's being crucified. I also find a difference between having violations and flat out cheating. Bottom line, Bruce wins everywhere he goes, and I'll make that statement more about Bruce and Cuonzo than Bruce and Sampson. Bruce is a way better coach, it shows everywhere he goes. He wins, always, bottom line, and he wins with his players on the court, anything he did, whether it be stupid silly things like a junior at a barbecue instead of a senior, it didn't change how they performed on the court.

Also as someone said above, Bruce wasn't fired for these "secondary violations", it was the idiotic quick lie to the NCAA. Regardless if you believe Bruce regretted it, the point is that he was fired for him just being stupid. I don't believe that makes him a bad person, the way Sampson let drug use go on etc. It's like people want to try and forget all the good things Bruce did around here. He's a good man, and a damn good winner.

 

[Volumnus 2011]

Sampson made over half a thousand of those phone calls, also Gordon claimed he let illegal drug use go on because winning was more important. Bruce was a good man, definitely made mistakes, but he's being crucified. I also find a difference between having violations and flat out cheating. Bottom line, Bruce wins everywhere he goes, and I'll make that statement more about Bruce and Cuonzo than Bruce and Sampson. Bruce is a way better coach, it shows everywhere he goes. He wins, always, bottom line, and he wins with his players on the court, anything he did, whether it be stupid silly things like a junior at a barbecue instead of a senior, it didn't change how they performed on the court.

Also as someone said above, Bruce wasn't fired for these "secondary violations", it was the idiotic quick lie to the NCAA. Regardless if you believe Bruce regretted it, the point is that he was fired for him just being stupid. I don't believe that makes him a bad person, the way Sampson let drug use go on etc. It's like people want to try and forget all the good things Bruce did around here. He's a good man, and a damn good winner.

ftw^^^^

 

[OrangeBalls]

Too many phone calls and having players at his house are referred to as secondary violations. These secondary violations result in nothing but "a slap on the wrist". Why? I don't know. But if the NCAA doesn't really have a problem with it, then neither do I.

Maybe you should learn to read what I was quoting before you tell me to learn details. Everyone knows why he was fired, Mr. Master of Knowledge.

Oh, I read it alright. You acting like his secondary violations were no big deal is hilarious. The problem was that he did it time and time again. Then he lied to the NCAA investigators.

Maybe you need to do some research on Pearl and his days at Iowa and see why people had it out for him and why the NCAA was snooping around to begin with.

 

[Volumnus 2011]

Oh, I read it alright. You acting like his secondary violations were no big deal is hilarious. The problem was that he did it time and time again. Then he lied to the NCAA investigators.

Maybe you need to do some research on Pearl and his days at Iowa and see why people had it out for him and why the NCAA was snooping around to begin with.

Wow, you are some kind of disfunctional. His secondary violations were no big deal. Had Pearl just said, "Yeah, that's my house in the picture", then we wouldn't be having this conversation.

And the reason the NCAA was snooping around was because Aaron Craft's father snitched and gave them the picture. Maybe you need to research, bub.

 

[OrangeBalls]

What is the purpose of a show cause? If it is really as damaging as everybody is making it out to be, then why wouldn't the NCAA just institute a lifetime ban? Again, he did his crime, he paid his time. I can see athletic departments still holding it against him, but if somebody wanted to hire him, it should not be an issue at all.

I've posted this link before, so I'll post it again.

In the National Collegiate Athletic Association (NCAA), a show-cause penalty is an order saying that for a set period of time, any NCAA penalties imposed on a coach involved in major rules violations at a university's athletic program will remain in force if he is hired by any other NCAA member institution. Both the school and coach are required to send letters to the NCAA agreeing to abide by any restrictions imposed, and report back to the NCAA every 6 months until the end of employment or the show-cause, whichever comes first. If the school wishes to avoid the NCAA restrictions imposed on that individual, it must appear before the NCAA Committee on Infractions and "show cause" as to why it should not be penalized for hiring him.

Show-cause penalty - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It is essentially a blackballing of a coach. No NCAA institution will touch a coach with a show cause. When the show cause is over, he/she can find work, but it's usually at a lower rank. Only one Div I basketball coach has gotten a job after a show cause and that was Todd Bozeman. He is now at Morgan St.

 

[OrangeBalls]

Wow, you are some kind of disfunctional. His secondary violations were no big deal. Had Pearl just said, "Yeah, that's my house in the picture", then we wouldn't be having this conversation.

And the reason the NCAA was snooping around was because Aaron Craft's father snitched and gave them the picture. Maybe you need to research, bub.

*dysfunctional. Buy a dictionary.

And no sh*t, Sherlock. If he had come clean, he'd still be the coach. Funny, he didn't.

I know plenty about the case. You acting like small transgressions over and over didn't lead to anything is high comedy. Again, pure ignorance rears its head yet again on Volnation. Go figure.

 

[Volumnus 2011]

*dysfunctional. Buy a dictionary.

And no sh*t, Sherlock. If he had come clean, he'd still be the coach. Funny, he didn't.

I know plenty about the case. You acting like small transgressions over and over didn't lead to anything is high comedy. Again, pure ignorance rears its head yet again on Volnation. Go figure.

Hmm. That's funny. Webster's says that "disfunction" is a variant of "dysfunction". I guess you should buy a dictionary.

Your arguments are flawed, Fuad. Bruce didn't receive a show-cause for his secondary violations. In fact, his secondary violations wouldn't have been known without the Craft family squealing. So the argument that his secondary violations are a big deal is irrelevant.

So I'll say this, I'll take Bruce Pearl with repeated secondary violations. The likelihood of Bruce getting caught (before lying of course) isn't great, and UT was going to the tourney every year.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

Too many phone calls and having players at his house are referred to as secondary violations. These secondary violations result in nothing but "a slap on the wrist". Why? I don't know. But if the NCAA doesn't really have a problem with it, then neither do I.

You do it over and over and yes, they have a problem with it.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

Sampson made over half a thousand of those phone calls, also Gordon claimed he let illegal drug use go on because winning was more important. Bruce was a good man, definitely made mistakes, but he's being crucified. I also find a difference between having violations and flat out cheating. Bottom line, Bruce wins everywhere he goes, and I'll make that statement more about Bruce and Cuonzo than Bruce and Sampson. Bruce is a way better coach, it shows everywhere he goes. He wins, always, bottom line, and he wins with his players on the court, anything he did, whether it be stupid silly things like a junior at a barbecue instead of a senior, it didn't change how they performed on the court.

Also as someone said above, Bruce wasn't fired for these "secondary violations", it was the idiotic quick lie to the NCAA. Regardless if you believe Bruce regretted it, the point is that he was fired for him just being stupid. I don't believe that makes him a bad person, the way Sampson let drug use go on etc. It's like people want to try and forget all the good things Bruce did around here. He's a good man, and a damn good winner.

The fact you're pointing to drug use as your main argument for Sampson being a bad guy and pearl beyond a "good man" is beyond ironic.

 

[OrangeBalls]

Hmm. That's funny. Webster's says that "disfunction" is a variant of "dysfunction". I guess you should buy a dictionary.

You should slap your English teacher.

Your arguments are flawed, Fuad. Bruce didn't receive a show-cause for his secondary violations. In fact, his secondary violations wouldn't have been known without the Craft family squealing. So the argument that his secondary violations are a big deal is irrelevant.

No, they're perfectly correct. I never said Pearl's show cause was because of his secondary violations. His repeated secondary violations and his ultimate lying and covering up of them led to his show cause. He snitched and got Illinois in trouble. From that point forward, he was a marked man. Period.

So I'll say this, I'll take Bruce Pearl with repeated secondary violations. The likelihood of Bruce getting caught (before lying of course) isn't great, and UT was going to the tourney every year.

Say whatever the hell you want to say. People show
their stupidity and ignorance on here all the time. Bruce Pearl is never coming back to UT. He'll be lucky to ever coach at a major Div I program ever again. Check the list he is on. It's not one you want to be associated with.

 

[OrangeBalls]

You do it over and over and yes, they have a problem with it.

You can't fix stupid. My God, the idiocy on here never ceases to amaze.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

And the reason the NCAA was snooping around was because Aaron Craft's father snitched and gave them the picture. Maybe you need to research, bub.

there we go let's blame Aaron craft and his dad...not the guy who had committed this same violation multiple times.

 

[OrangeBalls]

there we go let's blame Aaron craft and his dad...not the guy who had committed this same violation multiple times.

I had to laugh at him calling Aaron Craft's dad a snitch. Someone needs to tell him what Illinois fans call Pearl. Well, besides a snitch.

Hey Pot, say hello to Kettle.

 

[cloftonftw5]

The fact you're pointing to drug use as your main argument for Sampson being a bad guy and pearl beyond a "good man" is beyond ironic.

Who are you referring to, Brian Williams not being allowed to play? Duke Crews, Ramar Smith being kicked off the team? Sampson letting them all play regardless. You'll just try and find any excuse to hate Bruce. I'm not calling Bruce a god, just find it funny that anyone could think Sampson wasn't as bad as Bruce. I guess let's just move on and enjoy this Cuonzo fiasco, because you're right, Bruce is never coming back, the greatest coach Tennessee basketball has ever had, is never coming back.

 

[Volumnus 2011]

there we go let's blame Aaron craft and his dad...not the guy who had committed this same violation multiple times.

I'm not blaming Aaron Craft and his dad. Surely you aren't naive enough to believe that there are not several other coaches who do the exact same things. The difference is that they don't get caught. Bruce got caught because the Craft family snitched. Even still, he would still be here had he not lied about it.

 

[Volumnus 2011]

You should slap your English teacher.



No, they're perfectly correct. I never said Pearl's show cause was because of his secondary violations. His repeated secondary violations and his ultimate lying and covering up of them led to his show cause. He snitched and got Illinois in trouble. From that point forward, he was a marked man. Period.



Say whatever the hell you want to say. People show
their stupidity and ignorance on here all the time. Bruce Pearl is never coming back to UT. He'll be lucky to ever coach at a major Div I program ever again. Check the list he is on. It's not one you want to be associated with.

Lol. You should slap your parents. The best they could do was have an offspring that got off by getting on messages boards with an anonymous screen name and talking down to people instead of having a reasonable conversation like an adult. I disagree with bleedingtnorange, but I like talking to him and hearing what he has to say. You on the other hand, well, you're just funny.

 

[OrangeBalls]

Lol. You should slap your parents. The best they could do was have an offspring that got off by getting on messages boards with an anonymous screen name and talking down to people instead of having a reasonable conversation like an adult. I disagree with bleedingtnorange, but I like talking to him and hearing what he has to say. You on the other hand, well, you're just funny.

I can meet you anywhere you want on football Saturdays if you think I'm anonymous.

Sorry, I don't suffer fools lightly. You're one of many on here especially after losses.

Again, Bruce Pearl is never coming back. To even think that just shows how ignorant and clueless you really are.

 

[Volumnus 2011]

Who are you referring to, Brian Williams not being allowed to play? Duke Crews, Ramar Smith being kicked off the team? Sampson letting them all play regardless. You'll just try and find any excuse to hate Bruce. I'm not calling Bruce a god, just find it funny that anyone could think Sampson wasn't as bad as Bruce. I guess let's just move on and enjoy this Cuonzo fiasco, because you're right, Bruce is never coming back, the greatest coach Tennessee basketball has ever had, is never coming back.

Bruce loses points because he lied to the NCAA, cheated on his wife and got another basketball program in trouble. Most people judge a man by his moral fortitude, and Bruce appears to not have much. However, I look at how involved in the community he was, how open he was to fans, how he visited hospitals and raised money for cancer. I think he's a good man, in spite of his shortcomings.

 

[vols 30]

Look up their resumes...Sampson's is much better and it's not even close.

Look up the definition of cheating...pearl cheated.

Basketball wise or on his marriage? Both?