Recruiting Forum: Football Talk II

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tim said:
One of the problems I had to overcome was him bellyaching over being passed over as a hc because he is black.
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Wonder why Kirby Smart is held so high up on a pedestal but Strong wasn't when he was winning NCs with Meyer?

Kinda funny seeing that the defense was clearly all on Strong while you wonder about Smart being a product of Saban. Not fair in my books. But I'm sure race isn't a factor. IJS

Smart even being up for discussion as our head man is BS. We aren't Troy or Kentucky.
 
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HankHill said:
They are proven examples that Offensive guys can win in the SEC
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Charlie Strong was already at UF when Urban arrived IIRC. I would also like to point out that both teams are in talent rich states and were loaded when they took over. James Franklin hit a hr with his dc and would love to have him, the dc not Franklin.
 
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tim said:
You are correct, and thanks for making my argument.
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Youre assuming that they arent going to be any good.

That is the point thats stupid? They could be great recruiters/assistants. no one knows.

Hell Latrelle Scott was our best recruiter, and he was from Richmond.
 
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The Breakerboy said:
Wonder why Kirby Smart is held so high up on a pedestal but Strong wasn't when he was winning NCs with Meyer?

Kinda funny seeing that the defense was clearly all on Strong while you wonder about Smart being a product of Saban. Not fair in my books. But I'm sure race isn't a factor. IJS

Smart even being up for discussion as our head man is BS. We aren't Troy or Kentucky.
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Smart was not considered for the UT job, Im not sure where youre getting that.
 
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Billy Antrim said:
In the 1960's (I know, that's ancient history to most of VN) we had a HC, Doug Dickey, who brought excitement to the Hill because he could recruit like crazy. (Getting Richmond Flowers away from Alabama was huge back then.) After a few years, we discovered that he was consistently out-coached in big games, although we thought that UT had better talent. Despite winning two SEC championships, he could never seem to get his teams prepared for bowl games, and we lost those on a regular basis. After losing yet another bowl game in 1969 (Gator Bowl to Florida), he left for Gainsville.

What if Strong is Dickey v 2.0? You guys have convinced me that he can recruit, but I'm not convinced the man can out-coach the likes of Saban and Spurrier just because he's 10-2 in a weak Big Least.
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To quote Keith Jackson, "Whoa, Nellie!" You are badly distorting Dickey's record. First of all, he was 3-2-1 in head-to-head competiton wih Bear Bryant, winning the last three games of his tenure against Alabama. How many coaches can make that claim? As for bowl games, few coaches have consistently mastered the art of bowl preparation year in and year out. Even Neyland didn't have a stellar bowl record, going 2-5 in that category, with wins over Oklahoma (17-0) in the 1939 Orange Bowl and Texas (20-14) in the '51 Cotton Bowl. Do you want to challenge the venerable Neyland's coaching acumen as well?

Dickey beat Tulsa 27-6 in the '65 Bluebonnet Bowl and Syracuse 18-12 in the '66 Gator Bowl before losing to Oklahoma (26-24) on a 43-yd. field goal attempt by Karl Kremser that was wide right by about two feet. Flowers later said of the 36-13 loss to Texas that, "If we had played them ten times, Texas would have won all ten. They were that good." We were also facing the newly installed wishbone offense, which Darrell Royal debuted that season. As for the '69 Gator Bowl, news had already leaked that Dickey was going back to Florida and we simply did not play inspired football. Personally, I believe that, if he had not made the mistake of his life by going back home to his alma mater, Dickey could have retired from Tennessee with 200 victories or so, and 4-6 SEC titles. Bear Bryant's reign of terror over the SEC in the 1970s certainly would not have been as severe.
 
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tim said:
Charlie Strong was already at UF when Urban arrived IIRC. I would also like to point out that both teams are in talent rich states and were loaded when they took over. James Franklin hit a hr with his dc and would love to have him, the dc not Franklin.
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James Franklin hasnt beat anyone. Wow he split with DD and those were the worst UT teams in the past 30 years.

He is a solid coach but even putting him in the same Convo as Urban Meyer isnt dumb
 
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@ClayTravisBGID: Looks like Vol coaching search now down to five names: Jimbo, Gundy, Strong, Golden, Fedora.

If that's the case we should have a coach in place by mid week.
 
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Volosaurus rex said:
To quote Keith Jackson, "Whoa, Nellie!" You are badly distorting Dickey's record. First of all, he was 3-2-1 in head-to-head competiton wih Bear Bryant, winning the last three games of his tenure against Alabama. How many coaches can make that claim? As for bowl games, few coaches have consistently mastered the art of bowl preparation year in and year out. Even Neyland didn't have a stellar bowl record, going 2-5 in that category, with wins over Oklahoma (17-0) in the 1939 Orange Bowl and Texas (20-14) in the '51 Cotton Bowl. Do you want to challenge the venerable Neyland's coaching acumen as well?

Dickey beat Tulsa 27-6 in the '65 Bluebonnet Bowl and Syracuse 18-12 in the '66 Gator Bowl before losing to Oklahoma (26-24) on a 43-yd. field goal attempt by Karl Kremser that was wide right by about two feet. Flowers later said of the 36-13 loss to Texas that, "If we had played them ten times, Texas would have won all ten. They were that good." We were also facing the newly installed wishbone offense, which Darrell Royal debuted that season. As for the '69 Gator Bowl, news had already leaked that Dickey was going back to Florida and we simply did not play inspired football. Personally, I believe that, if he had not made the mistake of his life by going back home to his alma mater, Dickey could have retired from Tennessee with 200 victories or so, and 4-6 SEC titles. Bear Bryant's reign of terror over the SEC in the 1970s certainly would not have been as severe.
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Who cares.
 
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tim said:
Charlie Strong was already at UF when Urban arrived IIRC. I would also like to point out that both teams are in talent rich states and were loaded when they took over. James Franklin hit a hr with his dc and would love to have him, the dc not Franklin.
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Dan Mullen is definitely not in a talent rich state and he has had 2 successful defensive coordinators. Steve Spurrier is another example who definitely didn't take over a loaded team and relies on Georgia talent more than instate.

You are making excuses for why they have succeeded. Tennessee can easily bring in top 10 classes. We were ranked ahead of LSU last year when they went to the NC.
 
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bcartervol98 said:
@ClayTravisBGID: Looks like Vol coaching search now down to five names: Jimbo, Gundy, Strong, Golden, Fedora.

If that's the case we should have a coach in place by mid week.
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I would love Strong, be happy with Fedora or Gundy, could stomach Fisher and would be pissed off to no end if its Golden
 
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StlCardinals2618 said:
Dan Mullen is definitely not in a talent rich state and he has had 2 successful defensive coordinators. Steve Spurrier is another example who definitely didn't take over a loaded team and relies on Georgia talent more than instate.

You are making excuses for why they have succeeded. Tennessee can easily bring in top 10 classes. We were ranked ahead of LSU last year when they went to the NC.
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Exactly and if you factor in how people are saying they didnt like DD (players and HS coaches) add then in with us being totally irrelavant the past 5 years..

Fisher,Gundy,Strong, whoever we get will be able to recruit. and will be major upgrades over Derek.
 
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bcartervol98 said:
@ClayTravisBGID: Looks like Vol coaching search now down to five names: Jimbo, Gundy, Strong, Golden, Fedora.

If that's the case we should have a coach in place by mid week.
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I've read that Thursday is the very latest we should hear the final word. I honestly expect to hear Tuesday evening or Wednesday morning. JMO. New coach has to start recruiting his ass off by then.
 
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thunder5 said:
I would love Strong, be happy with Fedora or Gundy, could stomach Fisher and would be pissed off to no end if its Golden
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Would Golden have been playing if they weren't self imposing? I agree he's last on the list, but I don't think he's a horrible hire.
 
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tim said:
Smart was not considered for the UT job, Im not sure where youre getting that.
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I said that he was up for discussion. Not being interviewed. But he's turning down jobs too. Ones that are much better than what Strong was offered while he was the DC for Florida.
 
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HankHill said:
James Franklin hasnt beat anyone. Wow he split with DD and those were the worst UT teams in the past 30 years.

He is a solid coach but even putting him in the same Convo as Urban Meyer isnt dumb
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I said his dc, not Franklin. RIF
 
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