Official Jon Gruden Thread XIV

[Godfatha]

Enjoy! Those are hallowed grounds.

It was a one time thing unfortunately. I was hoping to time it for an announcement today.

 

[govols105]

that's why i dont buy it you don't call to clear the air and say bye. that's bs. and really stupid cover up. i would think a 5th grader could come up with something better.

 

[GmanTN]

Evening OV!

 

[Dr H Lecter]

Just a hypothetical. Let's say a certain hiring manager already had his guy picked out. Long ago. But he knew there was no way his constituency would accept him. So he comes up with a scheme to act with no urgency, go through the motions of flirting with a high-profile candidate with no intention of consummating said deal. Meanwhile he stalls under the guise of just starting the search all the while other managers fill their vacancies. Eventually with the candidate pool dwindling one of the viable options left is the individual he had pegged from the very beginning. Reluctantly, the constituency has no choice but to accept him.

Just a hypothetical, of course.

The "Dooley" option!

 

[Volz80]

Just a hypothetical. Let's say a certain hiring manager already had his guy picked out. Long ago. But he knew there was no way his constituency would accept him. So he comes up with a scheme to act with no urgency, go through the motions of flirting with a high-profile candidate with no intention of consummating said deal. Meanwhile he stalls under the guise of just starting the search all the while other managers fill their vacancies. Eventually with the candidate pool dwindling one of the viable options left is the individual he had pegged from the very beginning. Reluctantly, the constituency has no choice but to accept him.

Just a hypothetical, of course.

I really think Smart was his man from day one. I really hope we are wrong!

 

[AJeray4TN]

So are you officially a rogue Grudenite?

Do I still desperately hope it happens? Yes.

Do I honestly believe that it will? No.

I love this thread, and have nothing but respect for all of those who contributed. However, no one ever told me PERSONALLY that he is hired, so I guess I've always thought I would believe when I see it.

Doesn't mean I trust these guys any less though. I'm just a tangible thinker.

 

[phowell23]

Yes.

Saban: 'I'm not going to be the Alabama coach' - NFL - ESPN

Saban was hired 2 weeks later.

Alabama, after Saban denied them, offered the job to Rich Rodriguez who turned them down to stay at West Virginia. Saban said he ultimately decided to go to Alabama because of "family reasons". I wonder if this is going to go down basically the exact same.

Saban initially said he was "flattered but not interested" when UA first came at him.

 

[ab333]

I really do think the TB thing is in play here more than we think. If that is the case, I can understand wanting to wait that out, just don't apprecaite anyone taking a crap shot at my team like Lamonte did...

Agree it way over the top but I think the TFP story may some swallow.... Hard because it hit too close to home.

 

[247VOL365]

Just a hypothetical. Let's say a certain hiring manager already had his guy picked out. Long ago. But he knew there was no way his constituency would accept him. So he comes up with a scheme to act with no urgency, go through the motions of flirting with a high-profile candidate with no intention of consummating said deal. Meanwhile he stalls under the guise of just starting the search all the while other managers fill their vacancies. Eventually with the candidate pool dwindling one of the viable options left is the individual he had pegged from the very beginning. Reluctantly, the constituency has no choice but to accept him.

Just a hypothetical, of course.

Sounds like a reach, but no more farfetched that anything anyone else, including myself, has hypothesized.

 

[wtnvol]

I don't I think it's ESPN.

So, you think it is the contratual obligations for MNF? I can see that too.

 

[Dylecho]

I said so much to employees at work about Gruden to Tennessee..all of em are giving me a hard time now

Give 'em hell Coasty! We ain't dead yet!

 

[ShieldsUp]

Simply being a fan who follows obsessively on VN, none of today's event changes the likelihood in my mind. I'm going to bed tonight at the same level as last night. It's all fishy and I refuse to believe Hart is the most incompetent AD in history.

Hart is the one to blame. Incompetency doesn't even begin to describe what this man has done. He ruined the biggest football hire in history. I think the boosters are still trying to salvage what small chance remains, so I'm holding out hope. But there's a reason reports out of the AD were complete opposite to the sources coming from the boosters, both sides were pursuing different people.

 

[VolunteerHillbilly]

Something else to watch closely. Hargis has been on a statewide tour today on the radio shows defending the integrity of his reporting. If there were substantive flaws in his reporting or his sources, someone would have already or will soon step forward to dispel his version of the story and go after him hard about journalistic integrity. That hasn't happened yet and if it doesn't happen in the next day or so, it won't. The absence of any real challenge to his story means Low, Basilio, EA, Haney, Hyams, Hubbs, etc are mere pawns in the game and are clueless to what's really going on. If they had a clue they would be going after Hargis with full fury - he essentially has made all of them look like clueless fools. Their standing back means they either know or are now suspicious that he's right and they've been played the whole time (and still are being played).

Either Lowe or Rucker (I cannot recall) danced around this a little during his spot on Clay Travis's 3HL today by stating that he thinks there's been a lot of conflicting information coming out and that whatever was reported was probably reported in good faith.

 

[JohnnyBanana]

Just a hypothetical. Let's say a certain hiring manager already had his guy picked out. Long ago. But he knew there was no way his constituency would accept him. So he comes up with a scheme to act with no urgency, go through the motions of flirting with a high-profile candidate with no intention of consummating said deal. Meanwhile he stalls under the guise of just starting the search all the while other managers fill their vacancies. Eventually with the candidate pool dwindling one of the viable options left is the individual he had pegged from the very beginning. Reluctantly, the constituency has no choice but to accept him.

Just a hypothetical, of course.

The manager's guy is Gruden in this hypothetical right!?!?

I like it!

 

[HUD2000]

Forgive my typos tonight.....and blame kentucky product.... I am drinking out of state to start....but will get to the local stuff shortly..

Staying within state lines myself. A little Gentleman Jack tonight.

 

[Sgt_Nick_Fury]

Until Hart walks up there with Fisher, or Strong, I'll just bank on Gruden...because it's right.

And at that point someone need season tickets? cause I'm not spending a dollar next year on those names.

 

[247VOL365]

That sentence got me. I was reading it, expecting a more serious answer and got to your last word and laughed so hard I almost spit my dip out.

Truer words have never been spoken.

I just liked the hell outta that! Glad I could bring some laughter to your night. I'm 'bout to get a pinch myself.

 

[eternal]

Im guessing the done part was the contract was being delivered. Then after the numbers where far apart is when it it got in trouble.
We dont know the time everything went down.
We dont know how much time it takes for that to happen then get relayed to this board.
Everyone thought what was negotiated was in the contract thus done deal now lets wait.

 

[vol66]

I tell u something i've not seen in a while, that's some on here with a 100% guarentee like the past day's. I hope it's gruden and this is all cover-up, but i think the espn thing saying he told UT himself he wasn't interested has killed this thread.

Uh...alive and kicking...thumpthump, thumpthump,GBO:loco:

 

[3rdDown4What?]

So whats the take on the situation now from Boro, DTO, SBV, vfl1, OV, skeeter, babyvol, lwsvol????????????????????

 

[VolsMan26]

Is it possible for media to get a statement directly from hart on this gru situation? From what's out there neither hart nor gru has commented denied anything.

 

[Unknown Muppet]

Yeah he called to "clear the air" yet they didn't talk about anything.....why call at all? just to say..."hey I know this sounds crazy but....." I dunno it may have been "fantasy land" but if so there was enough there for people to really risk it all in media....and TFP editors, and Hargis just don't seem the type.....TFP has always been old school when it comes to reporting...Ochs mantra is ebrazened in the wall, "To give the news impartially, without fear or favor" still carries weight there unless things have degnerated even more then I have thought...

Their not exactly the Guardian, NYT or insert modern sketchy biased news paper here tpe of place....cutting edge and risky news is not something they do...

I agree. And then the fact that La Monte has one off the grid since the exclusive interview with KNS make even less sense.

I don't know much about the TFP, but with their reporter running around the state defending himself allday, you don't do that if you know you did wrong.

On a side note, I am boycotting the morning show on the Animal after their ten minute long mocking of the man for reporting his info he had from sources. Hyams did the same thing on their show and they didn't even question it. Both reporting "sources" but because Hyams said it, his are right and the other guy's sources are not credible.

 

[EBFVOL]

If its proven Hart broke this deal up intentionally I got to think he's gone.

 

[fhod_dj_x]

No way Smart is his guy. In his original presser he said Head coaching experience is "critical" and absolutely necessary. No way he'd say that if he had Smart as his guy

 

[Sgt_Nick_Fury]

Hart is the one to blame. Incompetency doesn't even begin to describe what this man has done. He ruined the biggest football hire in history. I think the boosters are still trying to salvage what small chance remains, so I'm holding out hope. But there's a reason reports out of the AD were complete opposite to the sources coming from the boosters, both sides were pursuing different people.

In fairness how do you know that is the case? If he did I agree....but I don't know how anyone could confirm that based on anything but rumor.....I will say though I never did like the idea od a Bama alumni as AD....