Recruiting Forum: Football Talk II

[SigNu_VolFan]

Gruden's not an idiot, he knows there will be an adjustment to college and will surround himself with assistants to help him hit the ground running. JMO

...and this is part of the reason why Gruden isn't our coach right now and likely won't be. He's more comfortable in the NFL.

 

[Ron Swanson]

Come on, please don't sit here and act as if the board needs to see it to believe. The level-headed are few and far between now. This deal is done to most people on VolNation. That's why we have "Grudenites" and "OG's". That's why people go into every thread on VN and post "soon, very soon". Realize there are some people who aren't there yet, but who'd like to be.

I also think its questionable to wonder why we'd be paying the man top 10 NFL money and top NCAA money. What constitutes that kind of money? The fact that he's a "rockstar"? We're not hiring a legend of an NFL coach, granted he is a great football personality. Recruiting would be great, but I'm not going to pretend that winning is guaranteed, and that winning is only possible under Gruden.

Even the strongest believers, OG's included, have to see it to believe it. They might not admit it but you and I know there's a little disbelief in the back of their minds. But none of that really matters.

The reason we have to pay him top 10 NFL money is because we're competing with NFL teams for his services. Peyton Manning and the other boosters want Gruden as the next UT HC and they're willing to pay him NFL money so he chooses UT over NFL teams. Even Hubbs has admitted that Peyton Manning is heavily involved in this deal...

We do believe the Gruden camp likely was seeking $6 million, according to folks familiar with the situation, and we think Peyton Manning was far more involved in this area of the process than anyone has acknowledged.

-Hubbs

 

[volstopfan14]

What's the problem with fedora? I don't understand it.

My problem with Fedora is the same problem I have with Gundy. As a head coach, I really like him but I question his ability to win in the SEC with a pass first offense.

 

[chavisut]

-Hubbs

Someone's acknowledged it.

 

[SigNu_VolFan]

Even the strongest believers, OG's included, have to see it to believe it. They might not admit it but you and I know there's a little disbelief in the back of their minds. But none of that really matters.

The reason we have to pay him top 10 NFL money is because we're competing with NFL teams for his services. Peyton Manning and the other boosters want Gruden as the next UT HC and they're willing to pay him NFL money so he chooses UT over NFL teams. Even Hubbs has admitted that Peyton Manning is heavily involved in this deal...

-Hubbs

I'll admit, I don't pay attention to that forum, so I'll take you at your word on the Grudenites. Thanks for the info.

 

[Orange Studs]

Come on, please don't sit here and act as if the board needs to see it to believe. The level-headed are few and far between now. This deal is done to most people on VolNation. That's why we have "Grudenites" and "OG's". That's why people go into every thread on VN and post "soon, very soon". Realize there are some people who aren't there yet, but who'd like to be.

I also think its questionable to wonder why we'd be paying the man top 10 NFL money and top NCAA money. What constitutes that kind of money? The fact that he's a "rockstar"? We're not hiring a legend of an NFL coach, granted he is a great football personality. Recruiting would be great, but I'm not going to pretend that winning is guaranteed, and that winning is only possible under Gruden.

Very well said. What is the problem with the both parties involved compromise on salary and add to as we see the results this 'Rock star" is suppose to bring. Saban, whether you like him or not has proven he can win NC's and therefore deserves what he is getting paid. But someone who hasn't coached in 4yrs. to want Saban's money and hasn't coached a day in college football just don't make sense to me.

 

[UTMark]

I see your point. But Gruden's interested, he wants the job. The $ people want him (Peyton Manning included). At the VERY LEAST he's going to recruit top 5 classes for the next 3 years and win more SEC games than Dooley did. I think he'll do MUCH better than that but at the very least UT FB should be a lot more fun to be a fan of for the next few years.

No question it'll be more exciting and I hope it works out. I am just running a risk management analysis at it. Big reward but equally big, if not bigger, risk.

Go Vols!

 

[SigNu_VolFan]

No question it'll be more exciting and I hope it works out. I am just running a risk management analysis at it. Big reward but equally big, if not bigger, risk.

Go Vols!

Good post. People mistake reserved fans as people who wouldn't be excited if Gruden were hired. Recruiting would be exciting. The media coverage would be exciting.

It just has to happen first.

 

[RM20]

They had to offer him more than what he makes at ESPN which is around 5 mil. The hold up now is money for the staff

 

[vol2002]

Alright, I can't keep paying attention to this stuff this morning. Keep getting emails and texts at work about Gruden. My guess is this thing is done and over with, the media reports last night were to force the issue.

I just spent a minute skimming posts on the Gruden forum and happened across ones from before 8 AM where folks were saying some embarrassing things about what they are going to do when Gruden is announced this afternoon.

Sheesh. People should have some shame. This always a remote possibility, no matter how far along we came.

Lots of "insiders" will fall as part of this process. Will be hard to trust any inside sources from here forward.

 

[thunder5]

Thunder are you going to be a negagruden if he's hired? I have this weird feeling that a bunch of fans are going to be negagruden's just like how some were negakiffin and negadooley. I just can't wrap my head around being opposed to Jon Gruden coming to UT. Who cares how much he's paid. Thunder, are you paying the extra $500k? We're about to go to go from Dooley to Gruden and I just can't see how that won't make 99.999% of Vol fans happy.

Absolutely not Ron...I will support him 100% and be extremely excited...but we are currently in the search phase and at his point I see two other candidates that I think would be better for several reasons...

If Gruden is the choice I will be concerned with the money that we spent on a guy who's unproven at this level...but I will be completely on board and as optimistic as I always am

 

[Orange Studs]

Absolutely not Ron...I will support him 100% and be extremely excited...but we are currently in the search phase and at his point I see two other candidates that I think would be better for several reasons...

If Gruden is the choice I will be concerned with the money that we spent on a guy who's unproven at this level...but I will be completely on board and as optimistic as I always am

+1 :hi:

 

[nicksjuzunk]

Alright, I can't keep paying attention to this stuff this morning. Keep getting emails and texts at work about Gruden. My guess is this thing is done and over with, the media reports last night were to force the issue.

I just spent a minute skimming posts on the Gruden forum and happened across ones from before 8 AM where folks were saying some embarrassing things about what they are going to do when Gruden is announced this afternoon.

Sheesh. People should have some shame. This always a remote possibility, no matter how far along we came.

Lots of "insiders" will fall as part of this process. Will be hard to trust any inside sources from here forward.

Many of these "insiders" have no track record that I am aware of, so my trust was never with them. I trust a few who have actually shown something trustworthy, but am still extremely cautious regarding Gruden.

 

[LynxVol]

No, Thunder said Gruden isn't worth $6mil/yr. Why not? Why would any of us fans care how much he makes? What he said has nothing to do with see it to believe it. Of course we have to see it to believe it. He said Gruden wasn't worth the $. I think that's absurd. JMO

Why should he? He hasn't coahed for a college team in 20 years. What has he proven, other than winning a SB with another guy's players, that grants him the leverage to demand that kind of money, at the college level?

Long story short, the point a lot of cautious people are trying to make is Gruden has only known the NFL for the past 20 years. Coaching at the collegiate level is completely different for many reasons, some skeeter has alluded to many times. Gruden has never been the HC of a collegiate program. Too many people are getting caught-up with the hype of hiring a celebrity, not a good coach based on a successful resume.

 

[OCIVol]

Gruden is not worth 6 million...he's not...he's an exciting name (key word name) and our fanbase is so desperate for something to be excited about most are willing to ignore all of the red flags I mentioned and fork over the biggest salary in college football for a guy who has proven nothing at the college level and was average at best in the NFL...

Saban is worth 6 million... He's about to play for his 3rd NC in 4 years...

Meyer is worth 6 million or close to it...he won 2 NCs in 4 years and would be playing for another this year if not for sanctions that he had nothing to do with...

Gruden is not worth 6 million...if you put aside the emotion of the name then it's easy to see

Gruden was a stud GA at UT in the 80s.

In all seriousness, Gruden represents hope and a financial commitment to bringing UT football back to its rightful place on the national scene.

 

[thunder5]

Thunder are you going to be a negagruden if he's hired? I have this weird feeling that a bunch of fans are going to be negagruden's just like how some were negakiffin and negadooley. I just can't wrap my head around being opposed to Jon Gruden coming to UT. Who cares how much he's paid. Thunder, are you paying the extra $500k? We're about to go to go from Dooley to Gruden and I just can't see how that won't make 99.999% of Vol fans happy.

Absolutely not Ron...I will support him 100% and be extremely excited...but we are currently in the search phase and at his point I see two other candidates that I think would be better for several reasons...

If Gruden is the choice I will be concerned with the money that we spent on a guy who's unproven at this level...but I will be completely on board and as optimistic as I always am

 

[OCIVol]

I don't think any of us care how much he makes, but its bad business man. How can he expect to Hart to pay him more than Saban, he's never coached in college and he hasn't coached in 4 years period.

It's not bad business. UT will be more profitable under Gruden and Co. at a $12M commitment than under any other coach and Co. at a $7M to $8M budget. Season tickets would be sold out, donations would go up, concessions would be up significantly, and the sale of UT merchandise would go up at least 30-40%.

 

[Orange Studs]

Gruden was a stud GA at UT in the 80s.

In all seriousness, Gruden represents hope and a financial commitment to bringing UT football back to its rightful place on the national scene.

To some it is. To others its just hiring a "Rock Star" that is demanding the same pay of college's best coach that has won several NC's. And college is a whole different horse to ride than NFL. I'm with Thunder on this, there are others that we could throw money at that have won in the college ranks.

 

[OCIVol]

To some it is. To others its just hiring a "Rock Star" that is demanding the same pay of college's best coach that has won several NC's. And college is a whole different horse to ride than NFL. I'm with Thunder on this, there are others that we could throw money at that have won in the college ranks.

If you want a nice car and have the money, are you going to buy a Honda Civic or a Rolls Royce?

 

[LowKey]

Hubbs says no Gruden.

http://http://tennessee.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1443395&PT=4&PR=2

 

[SCvol333]

To some it is. To others its just hiring a "Rock Star" that is demanding the same pay of college's best coach that has won several NC's. And college is a whole different horse to ride than NFL. I'm with Thunder on this, there are others that we could throw money at that have won in the college ranks.

you are correct, but the college horse is much easier, not harder

if someone can win NFL divisional titles with subpar QB's they can win a lot in the college game - in the NFL you play equivalent talent every week - a great recruiter at a top program plays equivalent talent less than half the time

 

[ionaVOL]

It's not bad business. UT will be more profitable under Gruden and Co. at a $12M commitment than under any other coach and Co. at a $7M to $8M budget. Season tickets would be sold out, donations would go up, concessions would be up significantly, and the sale of UT merchandise would go up at least 30-40%.

I just can't see the starting point being the highest paid coach in the sport...Maybe the way the deal is structured helps that and I'm definitely on board with making the staff salaries as high as he needs, but I don't see it happening unless he agrees to check the ego and take less than Saban at first.

 

[The Breakerboy]

you are correct, but the college horse is much easier, not harder

if someone can win NFL divisional titles with subpar QB's they can win a lot in the college game - in the NFL you play equivalent talent every week - a great recruiter at a top program plays equivalent talent less than half the time

Nobody seems to realize Saban is mediocre versus equal talent. That's why he flamed out as an NFL coach. He's a true bully at the playground. That's why I want Gruden to slap Bama in the mouth if he comes here.

 

[Orange Studs]

It's not bad business. UT will be more profitable under Gruden and Co. at a $12M commitment than under any other coach and Co. at a $7M to $8M budget. Season tickets would be sold out, donations would go up, concessions would be up significantly, and the sale of UT merchandise would go up at least 30-40%.

If he doesn't win, how long will that last? Two yrs? three yrs? If he doesn't win after a couple of yrs. then we are back to nobody coming to games, boosters wanting him to be fired, and having to once again go through another buy out. His name will only go so far without wins.

 

[jave36]

you are correct, but the college horse is much easier, not harder

if someone can win NFL divisional titles with subpar QB's they can win a lot in the college game - in the NFL you play equivalent talent every week - a great recruiter at a top program plays equivalent talent less than half the time

NFL may be harder to win, but not nearly as time consuming.