Recruiting Forum: Football Talk II

[Crookruss]

Thunder are you going to be a negagruden if he's hired? I have this weird feeling that a bunch of fans are going to be negagruden's just like how some were negakiffin and negadooley. I just can't wrap my head around being opposed to Jon Gruden coming to UT. Who cares how much he's paid. Thunder, are you paying the extra $500k? We're about to go to go from Dooley to Gruden and I just can't see how that won't make 99.999% of Vol fans happy.

Some folks are going to be dissatisfied regardless. I'll support whomever it is till they prove they are in over their head. Seriously doubt it will be Gruden. If it is I sure hope he loads his staff with a heavy UT flavor.

 

[1orangews6]

Gruden is not worth 6 million...he's not...he's an exciting name (key word name) and our fanbase is so desperate for something to be excited about most are willing to ignore all of the red flags I mentioned and fork over the biggest salary in college football for a guy who has proven nothing at the college level and was average at best in the NFL...

Saban is worth 6 million... He's about to play for his 3rd NC in 4 years...

Meyer is worth 6 million or close to it...he won 2 NCs in 4 years and would be playing for another this year if not for sanctions that he had nothing to do with...

Gruden is not worth 6 million...if you put aside the emotion of the name then it's easy to see

I would be happy with UT hiring a HC that has proven that he can WIN somewhere. If not Gruden then I would be happy to get Strong, Patterson, and maybe Fedora.

 

[OGbabyaviVol]

Thunder are you going to be a negagruden if he's hired? I have this weird feeling that a bunch of fans are going to be negagruden's just like how some were negakiffin and negadooley. I just can't wrap my head around being opposed to Jon Gruden coming to UT. Who cares how much he's paid. Thunder, are you paying the extra $500k? We're about to go to go from Dooley to Gruden and I just can't see how that won't make 99.999% of Vol fans happy.

THIS!!! Thank you! And yes, we do need something to be excited about, because it's been miserable on the Hill for way too long. I'll gladly eat crow if we get Gruden and it doesn't work out...at least we will have done everything to try to get us back to elite status, and not try to hire another mid-major up and comer.

 

[nicksjuzunk]

Thunder are you going to be a negagruden if he's hired? I have this weird feeling that a bunch of fans are going to be negagruden's just like how some were negakiffin and negadooley. I just can't wrap my head around being opposed to Jon Gruden coming to UT. Who cares how much he's paid. Thunder, are you paying the extra $500k? We're about to go to go from Dooley to Gruden and I just can't see how that won't make 99.999% of Vol fans happy.

Thunder is just not walking into this blindly. The problem is, most fans see this as a 100%, can't miss hire, and that simply is not the case. All of his points are valid, and the truth is, we MAY get the chance to find out whether he was worth it or not.

I (and I think Thunder) will be completely on board with the hire, but the type of devotion given to Gruden on this board leads to cults giving out Kool-aid... orange kool-aid.

 

[SigNu_VolFan]

Saban was average at best in the NFL, and didn't win a Super Bowl. Gruden's name alone will recruit elite talent to UT until he gets in the groove of recruiting, and I am sure it won't take him long. Also, that is why he wants so much money for his assistants, because he wants to hire an elite staff that can do most of the leg work on the recruiting trail, and then he steps in as the closer. With where our program has been for years, I don't see how anyone can argue against taking a risk with a Super Bowl winning coach that is a rock star to all of these kids that see his face on ESPN every week. It's a no-brainer IMO, and well worth the risk to help us rise from the ashes!! GRUDEN 2012 (and hopefully today)!!!

I can see your point, as well. However, the staff that Gruden has contacted sounds like mostly NFL guys too. Raheem Morris, Juan Castillo, Rich Bisaccia, Jay Gruden, etc. he needs money for assistants because they'd be leaving NFL jobs, not because he's hiring elite recruiters (not saying they can't recruit, just saying they'd be unproven).

I also wonder what the reaction around here is going to be when we don't achieve perfection with this schedule we have next season. Freak would have to fire the coaching rumors and speculation forum back up.

 

[HankHill]

According to Hubbs, Gruden wants around 6 million a year...this is half a million more than Saban...my question to those of you who think we should fork this over is how do you know for certain we will get Saban results with Gruden?

This guy was average at best in the NFL except for the year he won the Super Bowl with Dungy's players....he's never been a HC in college...he hasn't coached in college for over 20 years...he hasn't coached at all in 4 years...he has no experience recruiting in today's recruiting environment...how can you be comfortable giving this guy the biggest (by far) contract in college football despite so many glaring red flags?

IMO...this can't be justified...and that's why Hart isn't going for it...there are far more proven college coaches that are interested and won't break the bank to come here...

Give me Strong or Fedora and I'll be ecstatic

If you want to go that route and say he won with Dungy's players... then he is a better coach then Tony Dungy because Dungy couldnt do it with the same players that Gruden did.

I get what you are saying about all the recruiting stuff, but I don't think its that big of a deal.

I think we should pay him 6mil a year, with all the revenue and excitement he will bring, we will make that money back in no time as long as were winning 8-9 games which we should have done this year.

Just think if we have 4 home games a year with the enviroment that the UF game did this year... thats what we will get if Gruden comes here.

just my :twocents:

 

[Aavoxx]

It's not about winning. It's about making money. Gruden will make the university a ton of money and if he does win will continue to do so.

 

[SigNu_VolFan]

Thunder are you going to be a negagruden if he's hired? I have this weird feeling that a bunch of fans are going to be negagruden's just like how some were negakiffin and negadooley. I just can't wrap my head around being opposed to Jon Gruden coming to UT. Who cares how much he's paid. Thunder, are you paying the extra $500k? We're about to go to go from Dooley to Gruden and I just can't see how that won't make 99.999% of Vol fans happy.

Nobody would be negagruden, Ron. Let's just say that the state of our football program has caused a certain level of reservation for some.

Call it a "we have to see it to believe" or "it's too good to be true".

 

[SigNu_VolFan]

Thunder is just not walking into this blindly. The problem is, most fans see this as a 100%, can't miss hire, and that simply is not the case. All of his points are valid, and the truth is, we MAY get the chance to find out whether he was worth it or not.

I (and I think Thunder) will be completely on board with the hire, but the type of devotion given to Gruden on this board leads to cults giving out Kool-aid... orange kool-aid.

Exactly.

 

[Ron Swanson]

No, Thunder said Gruden isn't worth $6mil/yr. Why not? Why would any of us fans care how much he makes? What he said has nothing to do with see it to believe it. Of course we have to see it to believe it. He said Gruden wasn't worth the $. I think that's absurd. JMO

 

[ionaVOL]

No, Thunder said Gruden isn't worth $6mil/yr. Why not? Why would any of us fans care how much he makes? What he said has nothing to do with see it to believe it. Of course we have to see it to believe it. He said Gruden wasn't worth the $. I think that's absurd. JMO

I don't think any of us care how much he makes, but its bad business man. How can he expect to Hart to pay him more than Saban, he's never coached in college and he hasn't coached in 4 years period.

 

[UTMark]

Thunder are you going to be a negagruden if he's hired? I have this weird feeling that a bunch of fans are going to be negagruden's just like how some were negakiffin and negadooley. I just can't wrap my head around being opposed to Jon Gruden coming to UT. Who cares how much he's paid. Thunder, are you paying the extra $500k? We're about to go to go from Dooley to Gruden and I just can't see how that won't make 99.999% of Vol fans happy.

I will be happy, but I have the same concerns as Thunder and SigNu. There is a chance that Gruden fails. He hasn't recruited. He may not like it. He may try to handle things like they are 28 when they are 18-22. Gruden did not like young NFLers but now he is going to have even younger players than that?

He's a great football mind with a lot of charisma, if anyone can make the change he can. But there are legit concerns. A proven college coach is a better play. People on here will will initially jump off the cyber bridge, but eventually the positive minded will come around.

 

[Ron Swanson]

I don't think any of us care how much he makes, but its bad business man. How can he expect to Hart to pay him more than Saban, he's never coached in college and he hasn't coached in 4 years period.

Because that's what he wants. That's why you pay him that. It's not coming from Hart, it's coming from the boosters that have put up the $ to get this deal done. Big $ people want Gruden and have put up the cash for it to happen. Hart doesn't have a say in this, as much as some want to believe. If he doesn't hire Gruden, he'll be fired. Book that.

 

[chavisut]

How did Dungy fare with "his" players. Winning a Super Bowl isn't like being set up for a NC like Larry Coker was.

He won 5 divisional titles in 11 seasons, not bad for so called average.

Face it, Gruden is the hottest name on the market right now and recruiting isn't a concern, whatsoever.

 

[Ron Swanson]

I will be happy, but I have the same concerns as Thunder and SigNu. There is a chance that Gruden fails. He hasn't recruited. He may not like it. He may try to handle things like they are 28 when they are 18-22. Gruden did not like young NFLers but now he is going to have even younger players than that?

He's a great football mind with a lot of charisma, if anyone can make the change he can. But there are legit concerns. A proven college coach is a better play. People on here will will initially jump off the cyber bridge, but eventually the positive minded will come around.

Of course he might fail. That goes without saying. But he will be 100x better than the last guy. His recruiting will be rock star like day 1. Recruiting is what matters in this game. His staff will be elite and many of the staff will have a ton of college experience. Gruden's not an idiot, he knows there will be an adjustment to college and will surround himself with assistants to help him hit the ground running. JMO

 

[ionaVOL]

Because that's what he wants. That's why you pay him that. It's not coming from Hart, it's coming from the boosters that have put up the $ to get this deal done. Big $ people want Gruden and have put up the cash for it to happen. Hart doesn't have a say in this, as much as some want to believe. If he doesn't hire Gruden, he'll be fired. Book that.

Nothing would shock me right now hah...including making Gruden the highest paid college coach or passing on him because he wanted to be the highest paid.

 

[1orangews6]

Thunder is just not walking into this blindly. The problem is, most fans see this as a 100%, can't miss hire, and that simply is not the case. All of his points are valid, and the truth is, we MAY get the chance to find out whether he was worth it or not.

I (and I think Thunder) will be completely on board with the hire, but the type of devotion given to Gruden on this board leads to cults giving out Kool-aid... orange kool-aid.

Not down with any cult mentality and I know there is risk. Like I said I want a coach that has proven he can win somewhere.

 

[nicksjuzunk]

I just started a "dear diary" thread in the speculation forum, detailing Gruden's diary as he goes through the process. I thought it would be good for some laughs...

The mods were not amused

 

[SCvol333]

How did Dungy fare with "his" players. Winning a Super Bowl isn't like being set up for a NC like Larry Coker was.

He won 5 divisional titles in 11 seasons, not bad for so called average.

Face it, Gruden is the hottest name on the market right now and recruiting isn't a concern, whatsoever.

excellent point - winning a divisional title half the time is certainly not average - also people forget that the bucs gave up 2 1sts and 2 2nds to get him - big reason why the talent started to dropoff toward the end of his tenure

sounds to me like you saw a 10 - she rejected you - so now you try and convince yourself that she's not really a 10 - Gruden is a 10, regardless of whether he wants UT or not

 

[UTMark]

Of course he might fail. That goes without saying. But he will be 100x better than the last guy. His recruiting will be rock star like day 1. Recruiting is what matters in this game. His staff will be elite and many of the staff will have a ton of college experience. Gruden's not an idiot, he knows there will be an adjustment to college and will surround himself with assistants to help him hit the ground running. JMO

But there was no chance if Saban failing at Bama. That's why he was worth the money. He knew he loved to recruit. He, by then, knew he liked talking to young men more than adults that were doing a job. There was 0 risk. Gruden is no where near that and we want to pay him more. If this sis go poorly, it sets UT back 10 years. When there are qualified candidates that we are talking to, I will roll with them. If Gruden is hired, you will not see me being a negavol though.

 

[volprof]

Think small, get small results. Gruden does not think small.

 

[SigNu_VolFan]

No, Thunder said Gruden isn't worth $6mil/yr. Why not? Why would any of us fans care how much he makes? What he said has nothing to do with see it to believe it. Of course we have to see it to believe it. He said Gruden wasn't worth the $. I think that's absurd. JMO

Come on, please don't sit here and act as if the board needs to see it to believe. The level-headed are few and far between now. This deal is done to most people on VolNation. That's why we have "Grudenites" and "OG's". That's why people go into every thread on VN and post "soon, very soon". Realize there are some people who aren't there yet, but who'd like to be.

I also think its questionable to wonder why we'd be paying the man top 10 NFL money and top NCAA money. What constitutes that kind of money? The fact that he's a "rockstar"? We're not hiring a legend of an NFL coach, granted he is a great football personality. Recruiting would be great, but I'm not going to pretend that winning is guaranteed, and that winning is only possible under Gruden.

 

[Ron Swanson]

But there was no chance if Saban failing at Bama. That's why he was worth the money. He knew he loved to recruit. He, by then, knew he liked talking to young men more than adults that were doing a job. There was 0 risk. Gruden is no where near that and we want to pay him more. If this sis go poorly, it sets UT back 10 years. When there are qualified candidates that we are talking to, I will roll with them. If Gruden is hired, you will not see me being a negavol though.

I see your point. But Gruden's interested, he wants the job. The $ people want him (Peyton Manning included). At the VERY LEAST he's going to recruit top 5 classes for the next 3 years and win more SEC games than Dooley did. I think he'll do MUCH better than that but at the very least UT FB should be a lot more fun to be a fan of for the next few years.

 

[SigNu_VolFan]

I just started a "dear diary" thread in the speculation forum, detailing Gruden's diary as he goes through the process. I thought it would be good for some laughs...

The mods were not amused

Of course, they weren't. The mods are "Grudenites"

 

[volprof]

Hyams reporting Gruden has declined. It's appearing more and more that there is some sort of positioning (if not an altogether power struggle) going on between the boosters and the AD.