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skeeter33418 said:
Susan Martin is important in all of this as well. I wish cal-Barkley would offer her a job so she could pack up and head back home. I would help her pack and move.
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I noticed you mentioned her name yesterday. If you can't answer this, I understand. But what is her purpose, job description at the university? Is she in a position of power where she couldn't be relieved of duty if it was deemed in the best interest of the university?

If she is the cog in the wheel so to speak, it would seem as though she is working in the best interest in the bubble in which she lives and not the university as a whole.
 
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OCIVol said:
If Hart and/or the University screw this up, we have a bunch of dumbsh!ts running the show. We have 7 home games next season plus the O&W game. Factor in ticket sales for the regular season games and concessions for all games and the financial impact of hiring Gruden and not hiring Gruden is drastic for the bottomline. The "control" issue and Gruden being a "egomaniac" is a bunch of BS. There is absolutely no way Gruden fails. He would recruit top-3 classes year in and year out and whenever he left, UT would be in a much better situation than we he came. Heck, even if he just comes for a year or two then decides the college game is not for him, the UTAD and University will have made so much more money with him than without him, that his tenure would have been a success. Plus, Gruden would be able to land a top-5 recruiting class this year which would help the program regardless of when he leaves. Failing to get Gruden is simply not an option when the money is there to support it and Gruden himself wants to be here.
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I'll take 3 to 4 years of Gruden over any of the other coaches we're apparently looking at.
 
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golf said:
Once entrenched it is much, much more difficult to get changes made. Screw Hamilton for ever rolling over and not fighting tooth and nail for athletics. Dickey would have never gone down without a fight on these issues. He actually understood what was important for success.

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I agree. Hamilton was a coward.
 
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Also who can want Butch Jones when he was just out coached by Dooley head to head. Both teams had enough talent for the score not to be the blowout that Cincy received that day.
 
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The Breakerboy said:
I don't care these days. It'll take two years for them to leave. He knows how to coach and find NFL level athletes. Especially on the defensive side of the ball.
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I agree. I was looking at the all time wins earlier this morning and noticed teams that were relieved of wins from their overall total, they still get to keep their championship trophies. Butch Davis can recruit like a mofo, and he would
undoubtedly keep our 2 best coaches in Pittman and Graham.

I would imagine we wouldn't have to give the farm to get him either considering his age, past, etc.
 
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bcartervol98 said:
Mora is the only one on this list I can honestly say I could get behind even moderately.

Are Patterson, Stoops, Gundy, and Shaw all out of the running from what you hear?
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i have no clue their interest level but we could pay Mora, Patterson, Stoops, Gundy, and Shaw more than what they currently make

all but 1 our school is a huge upgrade on tradition

all 5 have won big games and have great seasons

i'd take any of them and any of them would be a monumental upgrade over DD on the coaching front (recruiting can be argued, but not coaching)
 
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OCIVol said:
If Hart and/or the University screw this up, we have a bunch of dumbsh!ts running the show. We have 7 home games next season plus the O&W game. Factor in ticket sales for the regular season games and concessions for all games and the financial impact of hiring Gruden and not hiring Gruden is drastic for the bottomline. The "control" issue and Gruden being a "egomaniac" is a bunch of BS. There is absolutely no way Gruden fails. He would recruit top-3 classes year in and year out and whenever he left, UT would be in a much better situation than we he came. Heck, even if he just comes for a year or two then decides the college game is not for him, the UTAD and University will have made so much more money with him than without him, that his tenure would have been a success. Plus, Gruden would be able to land a top-5 recruiting class this year which would help the program regardless of when he leaves. Failing to get Gruden is simply not an option when the money is there to support it and Gruden himself wants to be here.
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Agreed, wholeheartedly. The university owes it to the people whose money fund the athletic department, the fans. Without them they don't have their glorified general fund account to drain money from on their wacky dead end whims.
 
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pinfish09 said:
So that's mostly a list of guys in the ACC or BigEast and none of them have won either of those terrible, terrible conferences. Sound like great fits for the SEC.

I'm just going to keep hoping fro Gruden, because there is no hope at all in that list above.
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Fedora won his side of the division in year 1 with a lot of negativity. He used to be UF's oc and he's won as a hc everywhere he's been. He's a winner. Patterson and Strong are too. Any of these 3 are excellent gets.

As far as Gruden goes, it would've been great to have him. It's not the end of the world like a lot of you are thinking.
 
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skeeter33418 said:
Golden, Fisher, Strong, Mora, Fedora, Jones and Marrone. I dont understand Golden at all, i think he would really struggle here recruiting. Strong i think would recruit great here, would be very important who he surrounded himself with. I think Jones could do a great job here as would Mora. I dont want Fisher, Davis, Petrino or Golden here, but it doesnt matter what i think. Those are just my opinions.
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Thanks Skeet.

OCIVol said:
If Hart and/or the University screw this up, we have a bunch of dumbsh!ts running the show. We have 7 home games next season plus the O&W game. Factor in ticket sales for the regular season games and concessions for all games and the financial impact of hiring Gruden and not hiring Gruden is drastic for the bottomline. The "control" issue and Gruden being a "egomaniac" is a bunch of BS. There is absolutely no way Gruden fails. He would recruit top-3 classes year in and year out and whenever he left, UT would be in a much better situation than we he came. Heck, even if he just comes for a year or two then decides the college game is not for him, the UTAD and University will have made so much more money with him than without him, that his tenure would have been a success. Plus, Gruden would be able to land a top-5 recruiting class this year which would help the program regardless of when he leaves. Failing to get Gruden is simply not an option when the money is there to support it and Gruden himself wants to be here.
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bcartervol98 said:
I know my posts this morning have come off as emotional, and maybe they are. My biggest fear in all of this was Gruden wanting to be here and somehow UT screwing up the chance and settling...again. If Skeeter is spot on, then that fear is being realized and it pisses me off at UT in a major way. Not that they didn't get Gruden if in fact it is over, but basically the same reason players can line up against us at other SEC schools that do not academically qualify to line up for us is the reason. It has to be. We will never again be top tier competitive until there is true parody in academic requirements for all schools within the conference.
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Guys, Skeet hit the nail on the head. I work in athletics at another school, and I can tell you that the demands Skeet listed would probably not fly at most institutions outside of the state of Alabama. There is only so much control you can give a head football coach without losing institutional control. Coaches are constantly pushing the gray area, so giving a coach too much power is just asking for major compliance issues.

Gruden is the problem. He needs to be realistic & understand that other coaches can win in college football without being a czar. I am starting to wonder if he's less interested in the UT position than his wife & he's just putting UT in a situation where they cannot say "yes." He can then tell his wife, "Well, I tried."
 
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This is why you do not make guarantees on a message board. All this Gruden crap was started here just like the Shannon situation. There are plants of quality coaches we can go after. I am personally hoping for Strong but would be OK with Fedora as well.
 
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If Skeeter is right, I hope we go all in on Strong. JMO.

I don't want any other coach that has been named for various reasons.
 
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UTMark said:
Fedora won his side of the division in year 1 with a lot of negativity. He used to be UF's oc and he's won as a hc everywhere he's been. He's a winner. Patterson and Strong are too. Any of these 3 are excellent gets.

As far as Gruden goes, it would've been great to have him. It's not the end of the world like a lot of you are thinking.
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Patterson wasn't on Skeeter's short list. Strong drops 2-3 games a year in an awful big east. I dont care if he's a good recruiter, I dont buy him as a viable SEC coach.

Fedora is more promising than the others but 5-3 in an absolutley dreadful ACC just doesnt impress me much. I get there was turmoil, but Davis left a decent amount of talent there. They dropped games to Duke, GT and Wake Forest and didnt have to play the only two decent teams in the conference(FSU/CLEM). That kind of hire just isn't goint to jazz up the fanbase.
 
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skeeter33418 said:
Susan Martin is important in all of this as well. I wish cal-Barkley would offer her a job so she could pack up and head back home. I would help her pack and move.
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Office of the Provost | Dr. Susan Martin Biography

I dont know her stance on the athletic department. I would love to have a sit down coffee with her, Hart, and Cheek - basically get to know them.

Id love to be the athletic chaplain. If we sent her a positive and respectful letter would she be willing to work with Hart?
 
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pinfish09 said:
Patterson wasn't on Skeeter's short list. Strong drops 2-3 games a year in an awful big east. I dont care if he's a good recruiter, I dont buy him as a viable SEC coach.
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UL was a ****show when he stepped in. Now, he has them in a position to get 10 wins and a conference title in his third year.
 
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chavisut said:
UL was a ****show when he stepped in. Now, he has them in a position to get 10 wins and a conference title in his third year.

Do you have a problem with every other coach in the country that has lost games? If so, Kirby Smart might be your guy.
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Louisville was the same kind of show when Petrino got there, and they never lost more than 4 games(and the conference was arguably stronger then).

He may work out great, but when I look at truly great coaches they dont have multiple 6 loss seasons at lesser schools/conferences. Urban Meyer never lost more than 3 games at any of his lower level stops. Harbaugh went 7-4 in his first year at SD and then never lost more than 1. Petrino was something like 40-8 in his time at UL. Nothing about Strong's track record (and good for him going 10-2 this year, but there isnt one strong win on that schedule) makes me think he'll be gangbusters in the toughest conference in the land.

I'd personally rather take a gamble on an up-and-coming coordinator if Gruden falls through. just my opinion and all that jazz.
 
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Charlie Strong would be fine as the No.2 man behind Gruden.

I don't want Gary Patterson personally(He needs a job like Texas to succeed outside of TCU to me). I don't think he's a good enough recruiter nationally for UT.

Larry Fedora can stay at UNC. Don't know why people are hyping him up.

Stoops here may bring his fire back. He's not as fiery of a coach as he was in the early 2000s. He would be very good on the recruiting trail here though. And would hit Florida just as well as Strong. Remember he pulls guys from Florida to Oklahoma imagine what he would do being closer. Then he's known in Texas. He could do some real damage as an HC here. As long as his teams are focused week in and week out.

Why hasn't Mahlzahn(think I'm spelling it right lol) been brought up? Didn't know he was terrible coach all of a sudden. I like him more than Taggart, Smart, Jones, Fedora, Kingsbury and a few others on these lists.

Mora would be fine too. That UCLA roster isn't loaded with talent but I like the brand of football their playing.

David Shaw is high on my list but he's got a good job at his school of choice.

Golden needs to stay at Miami. His team looks exactly like Dooley's squad. All offense and no defense. Not my cup of tea at all.

James Franklin is a good coach but I don't think the fans really want that hire here. And I want our next coach to drub Vandy.
 
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skeeter33418 said:
If what im hearing this morning is correct, and i believe it is, time to move on from Gruden. No doubt Gruden would inject enthusiasm in the fan base and turn the heads of high profile recruits. But the man is unproven at the college level and simply wants to much control, not to mention the guy is a egomaniac. From what im gathering, its sounding like he feels he should not have to answer to anyone anything football related if he were the coach. That will not happen here. Time for plan b.
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Skeet, would you say Gruden's demands of control are more than or on-par with what Saban has at UA?

Either way--why wouldn't that happen at UT, Cheek?


I'm not advocating giving Grunden EVERYTHING he wants but if it's similar to what Saban has, do the powers that be not see the transformation undertaken at Bama since his arrival??

YES, I realize that Saban-like results are not likely but if there was a coach who could give an immediate boost of confidence and instant credibility back to this University, it's Jon Gruden. Would it yield the same results? I don't know....but I'm sure as hell willing to find out.

I understand the hesitation but the potential risk is not NEARLY as high as the potential reward. If it's a squabble over how much power to give him or resistance from the academic side to give him "Sabanesque" control....those people need to go. NOW.

I care about the academic integrity of this university but not at the expense of potentially missing out on the biggest hire the football program has ever made.

Skeet....response?
 
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Fedora has won everywhere he's been. He's a young, fiery guy that could recruit well and get the absolute most out of his team. I think he'd be a really good hire.
 
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LWSVOL
Quote "IMO there are conditions not yet agreed upon for anyone to put together a draft of a contract , those that have been discussing these items in the background have not resolved these things. So until those are resolved Hart can't look at a drafted contract that Gruden could sign. From everything i've heard, I think the money parts work its some of the control items that are in contenion.

Hart/Gruden will talk about it but others are driving the details.


Maybe this really is happening!
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From LWS posted in the Gruden cliff notes thread.
 
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pinfish09 said:
Louisville was the same kind of show when Petrino got there, and they never lost more than 4 games(and the conference was arguably stronger then).

He may work out great, but when I look at truly great coaches they dont have multiple 6 loss seasons at lesser schools/conferences. Urban Meyer never lost more than 3 games at any of his lower level stops. Harbaugh went 7-4 in his first year at SD and then never lost more than 1. Petrino was something like 40-8 in his time at UL. Nothing about Strong's track record (and good for him going 10-2 this year, but there isnt one strong win on that schedule) makes me think he'll be gangbusters in the toughest conference in the land.

I'd personally rather take a gamble on an up-and-coming coordinator if Gruden falls through. just my opinion and all that jazz.
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UL was in Conference USA for a season or two when Petrino was there. Not saying Strong is on his level but Petrino was also taking over a successful UL team/program not making sugar out of shxt. Having a high powered offense early on at a school like UL is expected seeing that it would be hard to get elite defensive ballplayers there(CB Ryan White decommitted to play for Vandy). Even the few he's gotten are only 2nd year players at the most.
 
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pinfish09 said:
Patterson wasn't on Skeeter's short list. Strong drops 2-3 games a year in an awful big east. I dont care if he's a good recruiter, I dont buy him as a viable SEC coach.

Fedora is more promising than the others but 5-3 in an absolutley dreadful ACC just doesnt impress me much. I get there was turmoil, but Davis left a decent amount of talent there. They dropped games to Duke, GT and Wake Forest and didnt have to play the only two decent teams in the conference(FSU/CLEM). That kind of hire just isn't goint to jazz up the fanbase.
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It was his 1st year @ UNC. I think if we went 5-3 & 3-1 ooc we would all be thrilled after this year.
 
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