Recruiting Forum: Football Talk II

[TriCitiesVol]

Could Pelini recruit at a high level at UT?

 

[LynxVol]

The name I've jumped on the past week is Bo Pelini, IMO he's a better choice than Strong. Pelini is now 49-18 at NU, has won 9+ every year w/ two 10 win seasons. His 2nd year at NU he took them to the Big12 title game & lost on a last second FG by Texas, his NU team this year will be playing in the B1G title game next Saturday. He has won or tied for his conference division 4 out of his 5 seasons as a HC. He has coached in the NFL all on the defensive side of the ball. His first year as a DC his defense was ranked 11th nationally & led the nation in turnovers. In his 3 seasons as LSU's DC they were ranked 3rd nationally. His contract runs through 2014 & he is being paid $2.7 million a year right now.

One could also say that Strong has been equally successful when you consider he took over a program that didn't give two sh!ts about football. I also think Strong brings that recruiting swagger that UT desperately needs.

 

[TideWarrior]

Who was Weis HC for in the NFL?

Which players did Gruden bring in to TB and develop for the team that won the Super Bowl there? Besides the few free agents he brought in. I like this game.:hi:

 

[volprof]

Here's what I think: whatever coach opposing fans seem to have the most anxieties about (for the "well-being of our program"), that's who we need to hire. Answer: Jon Gruden.

P.S. If you'll notice, there were very little anxieties about Dooley. Hell, if Saban said he was "doing a fantastic job!"

 

[thunder5]

Gotta spend money to make money.

I agree...I just feel like 10 million on Gruden is like going all in with three of a kind...it's a good hand but it's not a royal flush...

We better hope to God he's Carroll and not Callahan...10 million on the wrong guy sets this program back way worse than Kiffin did

 

[TideWarrior]

What, you don't think being an OC and calling plays in the NFL with hall of famer Tom Brady at QB is the same thing as going to a superbowl with Rich Gannon and winning one with Brad Johnson at QB... as a Head Coach... ????

Or as Tampa Bay players like W Sapp said after they won the Super Bowl.

Despite the Super Bowl win, there were many, including players on the Buccaneers like Warren Sapp, who attributed Gruden's win primarily to the defense that coach Tony Dungy and defensive coordinator Monte Kiffin had created during Dungy's tenure with the Bucs.

In the end each has their own opinion on how thinks happen.:hi:

 

[mooreaj21]

Could Pelini recruit at a high level at UT?

That would be the biggest question mark IMO, he could surround himself w/ good/great recruiters. He has recruited pretty good to NU IMO, he develops the talent he gets.

He was at LSU for 3 years, he knows what it takes to recruit in the SEC. So it wouldn't be something new to him.

 

[thunder5]

That would be the biggest question mark IMO, he could surround himself w/ good/great recruiters. He has recruited pretty good to NU IMO, he develops the talent he gets.

He was at LSU for 3 years, he knows what it takes to recruit in the SEC. So it wouldn't be something new to him.

I like Pellini a lot...but I question the recruiting with him...I don't at all with Strong

 

[TriCitiesVol]

That would be the biggest question mark IMO, he could surround himself w/ good/great recruiters. He has recruited pretty good to NU IMO, he develops the talent he gets.

He was at LSU for 3 years, he knows what it takes to recruit in the SEC. So it wouldn't be something new to him.

Hope he doesn't bring Terry Joseph with him.... I actually like Pelini. He seems like a younger version of Bill Parcells.

 

[volprof]

I agree...I just feel like 10 million on Gruden is like going all in with three of a kind...it's a good hand but it's not a royal flush...

We better hope to God he's Carroll and not Callahan...10 million on the wrong guy sets this program back way worse than Kiffin did

I understand the concerns about Gruden being an unproven college coach: he might only win a national title every other year or two instead of every year, but I would not fret about him being a Callahan. I know they both coached at Oakland at one point, but listen to Callahan talk, then listen to Gruden. After listening to Gruden, I'd run through a damn brick wall, do whatever I was sent to do, then rebuild the brick wall just as a favor. Gruden inspires.

 

[VolunteerVandiver]

Which players did Gruden bring in to TB and develop for the team that won the Super Bowl there? Besides the few free agents he brought in. I like this game.:hi:

Gruden was the head coach of a Super Bowl winning team. People can discredit that all they want, but it is still quite the achievement.

The NFL requires talent and proper coaching to win. College is a little more about talent... I believe Gruden would bring in talent and coach the players up. Name one college team or NFL team, if they had a head coaching vacancy to fill, that wouldn't hire Gruden?

 

[chavisut]

Or as Tampa Bay players like W Sapp said after they won the Super Bowl.

Despite the Super Bowl win, there were many, including players on the Buccaneers like Warren Sapp, who attributed Gruden's win primarily to the defense that coach Tony Dungy and defensive coordinator Monte Kiffin had created during Dungy's tenure with the Bucs.

In the end each has their own opinion on how thinks happen.:hi:

The same Tampa team that went 9-8 the year before.

 

[TideWarrior]

I like Pellini a lot...but I question the recruiting with him...I don't at all with Strong

I do not think Pellini could pull the recruits like a Strong out of the SE. Could be wrong but not a lot of players from the south on NU. Strong has had success in the SEC recruiting while at UF and I think he could pull the recruits to UT. Not saying he is the best choice but could get it done.

 

[volprof]

I guess we're all just supposed to discredit the fact that Gruden beat his previous team (he had been building) in the Super Bowl. Context people, context. Not just the numbers and stats.

 

[TideWarrior]

Gruden was the head coach of a Super Bowl winning team. People can discredit that all they want, but it is still quite the achievement.

The NFL requires talent and proper coaching to win. College is a little more about talent... I believe Gruden would bring in talent and coach the players up. Name one college team or NFL team, if they had a head coaching vacancy to fill, that wouldn't hire Gruden?

Yes but winning a Super Bowl does not bring BCS titles home in CFB. If so which coach has done that. People are assuming ones equals the other, if so Saban would be winning at Miami right now and not coaching at UA.

Gruden not only would bring in the talent but a great staff as well. Two questions have to be answered though as many have pointed out. How much is UT willing to invest money wise and what can they do to prevent him from leaving for a top NFL job.

Gruden a great hire yes but also may have more concerns with the hire than someone like Fisher or Strong.

 

[Tux]

One could also say that Strong has been equally successful when you consider he took over a program that didn't give two sh!ts about football. I also think Strong brings that recruiting swagger that UT desperately needs.

You want recruiting swagger then look no further than James Franklin. He makes Strong look like Marcel Marceau.

 

[TideWarrior]

You want recruiting swagger then look no further than James Franklin. He makes Strong look like Marcel Marceau.

The sad thing for Vandy fans is that Franklin is just there long enough to get a job like a UT. I am not sure he is the answer but he can recruit. He would need to add some to staff as well IMO.

 

[VolunteerVandiver]

Yes but winning a Super Bowl does not bring BCS titles home in CFB. If so which coach has done that. People are assuming ones equals the other, if so Saban would be winning at Miami right now and not coaching at UA.

Gruden not only would bring in the talent but a great staff as well. Two questions have to be answered though as many have pointed out. How much is UT willing to invest money wise and what can they do to prevent him from leaving for a top NFL job.

Gruden a great hire yes but also may have more concerns with the hire than someone like Fisher or Strong.

I agree with your lower basement/higher ceiling statement.

Honestly though, from the outside, would Gruden at Tennessee not intimidate the rest of the SEC?

 

[Tenn Ted]

Pelini is an a$$. He's like Spurrier on steroids, the way he messes with his QBs and other players. Leave him in Nebraska. There are much better choices out there. I'd much rather have Mora, Strong, Patterson, or Mullen.

BTW, everyone pray Texas decides to push Brown out. I think they will go after Saban big time and I suspect Alabama doesn't have the money to keep him, if that's what matters to him.

 

[thunder5]

Yes but winning a Super Bowl does not bring BCS titles home in CFB. If so which coach has done that. People are assuming ones equals the other, if so Saban would be winning at Miami right now and not coaching at UA.

Gruden not only would bring in the talent but a great staff as well. Two questions have to be answered though as many have pointed out. How much is UT willing to invest money wise and what can they do to prevent him from leaving for a top NFL job.

Gruden a great hire yes but also may have more concerns with the hire than someone like Fisher or Strong.

I hate to agree with a Bammer...but what you said here is exactly my feelings about Gruden versus the college candidates

 

[TideWarrior]

I agree with your lower basement/higher ceiling statement.

Honestly though, from the outside, would Gruden at Tennessee not intimidate the rest of the SEC?

Yes but it would also help the SEC. No matter how well teams like USC, Ark, aTm, or MSU perform, UT is a flagship team of the conference. Having UT ranked top 10 gives the conference even more credibility than those 4 IMO.

Unlike many rival fans for different schools, I do not find success in UA's program based on how another rival is not finding it. I would rather have the 3rd Saturday in October have national ramifications every year. But that is me.

So for me I hope Gruden joins UT. I just hope he sees it as a place he want to retire at as well. :hi:

 

[mooreaj21]

Pelini is an a$$. He's like Spurrier on steroids, the way he messes with his QBs and other players. Leave him in Nebraska. There are much better choices out there. I'd much rather have Mora, Strong, Patterson, or Mullen.

BTW, everyone pray Texas decides to push Brown out. I think they will go after Saban big time and I suspect Alabama doesn't have the money to keep him, if that's what matters to him.

I'll take an @** for a coach if he's winning 9+ every year like Pelini is at NU.

 

[VolunteerVandiver]

Yes but it would also help the SEC. No matter how well teams like USC, Ark, aTm, or MSU perform, UT is a flagship team of the conference. Having UT ranked top 10 gives the conference even more credibility than those 4 IMO.

Unlike many rival fans for different schools, I do not find success in UA's program based on how another rival is not finding it. I would rather have the 3rd Saturday in October have national ramifications every year. But that is me.

So for me I hope Gruden joins UT. I just hope he sees it as a place he want to retire at as well. :hi:

My sentiments, exactly.

Hopefully the TSIO will have some significance in the near future. I can't remember the last time UT and UA were both elite teams at the same time.

 

[HialeahGator]

"Sources tell us that Jon Gruden remains the primary target. Although we have not verified, sources tell us that Gruden, among other things, has requested a $4 million salary pool for his assistants. Not sure how that works out but we are told that Tennessee will be having discussions with Butch Jones as well." Football Scoop dot com

 

[HankHill]

We have to quit thinking any coach will stay here 15 years. That's just not the landscape of sports anymore. The coaches will get new oppurtunities and us as fans won't the coach stay for that long. If gruden comes in and averages 8-10 wins for 5 years we will begin to get restless if no rings.