Official Jon Gruden Thread VII

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Lexvol said:
Maybe. I think the biggest downside will be dealing with NFL openings around year 3. There are some that are confident that this will be Gruden's last coaching stop. I'm not in that category.
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Meh...whether he does or doesn't, I thin we're all in agreement that, no matter what happens, he'll leave this university in MUCH better shape than what he inherited.
 
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orangeblood79 said:
I think the issue we'll have if Gruden does, in fact, take the job will be assistants and coordinators leaving.

If he can put together the kind of staff we all think we can...we'll have similar attrition on the staff the same we'll have juniors deciding to turn pro or stay.
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That is a given. The assistant coaches carrousel is the only other constant in life...and always will be.

I have owned my bar for 12 years. We have increased sales 300% since I bought it. All my bar tenders think the customers come to see them...but I've had over 30 bartenders move on to career opportunities during that time. Same thing.

It's the system.
 
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orangeblood79 said:
I think the issue we'll have if Gruden does, in fact, take the job will be assistants and coordinators leaving.

If he can put together the kind of staff we all think we can...we'll have similar attrition on the staff the same we'll have juniors deciding to turn pro or stay.
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Saban seems to be making it ok. Never missed a beat when Sal left ( well, there was that A&M thingy). :)
 
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orangeblood79 said:
Meh...whether he does or doesn't, I thin we're all in agreement that, no matter what happens, he'll leave this university in MUCH better shape than what he inherited.
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I agree. That is very easy to say now...but I've lived through the Pitino and Calipari eras in Lex. It isn't as easy to take once it starts happening.
 
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Jake said:
That is a given. The assistant coaches carrousel is the only other constant in life...and always will be.

I have owned my bar for 12 years. We have increased sales 300% since I bought it. All my bar tenders think the customers come to see them...but I've had over 30 bartenders move on to career opportunities during that time. Same thing.

It's the system.
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Save Cutcliffe, it wasn't a given during Fulmer's tenure.
 
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Lexvol said:
College coaches get more face time, and they typically get more credit when their teams win. I'm not saying it factors in to Gruden's decision, but I think it is a general truth.
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I think we are splitting hairs over the attention thing. I bet if you asked Saban, he'd probably tell you he could do without 99% of the attention directed his way.

The money is a wash as well...wherever he might end up, I don't think this is going to be a decision based on finances. His options are going to be pretty damn good across the board.

To me, the singular big issue is whether he wants to devote the time to recruiting that is necessary. In the NFL, this aspect of the job is a whole lot easier than in college ball.

Not to be a Debbie Downer, but the one thing that is making me wonder is the fact that VolNation has blown up over this, but you haven't seen anything on ESPN, SI.com, etc. I think there would be some level of speculation, rumors, discussion, etc. on a national level, even this early in the game.

For Vol fans, I'm hoping this isn't going to be a let-down of biblical proportions...
 
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For people who are control freaks, then College Football is the dream. For people who think to theirselves "Okay, now if I could build this type of team, and run this type of offense with this kind of players..." College is for them.

Think about it:
1. You hire the assistants you want to hire and they run your system (I realize this is both NFL and college, but there's probably less say so from upper level management in college)
2. You get the primary credit when things are going well. Very rarely does full credit go to players in College Football. However, you also get full credit when things are going bad too. The attention is on the coach.
3. This is big....there is NO SALARY CAP. If you can recruit the players, you can have as many 5 star players as you want. Theoretically, you can sign the top 25 players in the country every single year. You can have the best college talent to work with. And you can get the players you want for your system. I think Gruden would be salivating at the thought of having tons of talent on the bench and on the field.

4. College is just a more passionate game. You don't deal with as many spoiled babies as you do in NFL. The fans are ridiculously awesome. The rivalries are great. Every game matters.

I can completely understand why Gruden would want to coach college. Yes, it's more work. But you take WAY more ownership of a program than you do in the NFL.

Shell out the money Hart. Get this guy. 10 years of Gruden? Most definitely.
 
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Gruden would never have a shortage of top shelf assistants. How many college coaches could give the referral Gruden could?
 
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TNHopeful505 said:
For people who are control freaks, then College Football is the dream. For people who think to theirselves "Okay, now if I could build this type of team, and run this type of offense with this kind of players..." College is for them.

Think about it:
1. You hire the assistants you want to hire and they run your system (I realize this is both NFL and college, but there's probably less say so from upper level management in college)
2. You get the primary credit when things are going well. Very rarely does full credit go to players in College Football. However, you also get full credit when things are going bad too. The attention is on the coach.
3. This is big....there is NO SALARY CAP. If you can recruit the players, you can have as many 5 star players as you want. Theoretically, you can sign the top 25 players in the country every single year. You can have the best college talent to work with. And you can get the players you want for your system. I think Gruden would be salivating at the thought of having tons of talent on the bench and on the field.

4. College is just a more passionate game. You don't deal with as many spoiled babies as you do in NFL. The fans are ridiculously awesome. The rivalries are great. Every game matters.

I can completely understand why Gruden would want to coach college. Yes, it's more work. But you take WAY more ownership of a program than you do in the NFL.

Shell out the money Hart. Get this guy. 10 years of Gruden? Most definitely.
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VERY eloquently put! I dig this post.
 
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Lexvol said:
I agree. That is very easy to say now...but I've lived through the Pitino and Calipari eras in Lex. It isn't as easy to take once it starts happening.
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Didn't say it wouldn't be easy....but I think Cal has elevated that job (as much as it can be, given it's tradition and status before hand) to the point that they could expect a comparable replacement, should Cal leave.

Same goes here..."if" Gruden lives up to the expectations we have for him, he'll have elevated this position to a similar situation...the biggest issue is, how do you out-do a splash hire like Gruden?

It's a double-edged sword and a risk...but it's a risk I take in a heartbeat.
 
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WinginFlorida said:
I think we are splitting hairs over the attention thing. I bet if you asked Saban, he'd probably tell you he could do without 99% of the attention directed his way.

The money is a wash as well...wherever he might end up, I don't think this is going to be a decision based on finances. His options are going to be pretty damn good across the board.

To me, the singular big issue is whether he wants to devote the time to recruiting that is necessary. In the NFL, this aspect of the job is a whole lot easier than in college ball.

Not to be a Debbie Downer, but the one thing that is making me wonder is the fact that VolNation has blown up over this, but you haven't seen anything on ESPN, SI.com, etc. I think there would be some level of speculation, rumors, discussion, etc. on a national level, even this early in the game.

For Vol fans, I'm hoping this isn't going to be a let-down of biblical proportions...
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That is why I said I didn't even know if it factored into the decision. It doesn't change my point.

I also think you underestimate how Bama feeds Saban's ego.
 
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BruinVol said:
I understand what you are saying but a pledge is a pledge. Nobody here thinks any of our big donors are going broke but anything is possible.
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Not a question of going broke but I'm sure not all pledges to the university are honored. I'm not saying a pledge by boosters of this caliber wouldn't honor a pledge but they are not a legal obligation like a note. A booster could die, get crossways with the department, etc all of which could raise doubts on the pledge being honored in the future. I doubt if a pledge is a legally binding obligation of a persons estate.
 
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orangeblood79 said:
Didn't say it wouldn't be easy....but I think Cal has elevated that job (as much as it can be, given it's tradition and status before hand) to the point that they could expect a comparable replacement, should Cal leave.

Same goes here..."if" Gruden lives up to the expectations we have for him, he'll have elevated this position to a similar situation...the biggest issue is, how do you out-do a splash hire like Gruden?

It's a double-edged sword and a risk...but it's a risk I take in a heartbeat.
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Yes...once you start paying winning money for a coach, your precedent is set. That is a very positive thing.
 
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golf said:
Not a question of going broke but I'm sure not all pledges to the university are honored. I'm not saying a pledge by boosters of this caliber wouldn't honor a pledge but they are not a legal obligation like a note. A booster could die, get crossways with the department, etc all of which could raise doubts on the pledge being honored in the future. I doubt if a pledge is a legally binding obligation of a persons estate.
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Is there such a thing as a note to a university promising a gift that is legally binding???


That is the heart of our post here. I suspect not but it seems you are saying otherwise.
 
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