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Ericvol2096 said:
Kelly was less proven than Patterson is currently. And what Kelly has done recruiting at ND is irrelevent as he wasn't there in 2010...his recruiting was a mystery at that point.


Smart is probably true because he has always been under Saban, so maybe a better comparision is Guz Malazhan to Muschamp. Would you consider him a bad hire?
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Yes I would, stay away from that spread crap. I want a defense minded coach. The way to consistently win at a high level in the SEC is to play good/great defense, run the football, limit turnovers, & have good special teams. Give me a coach w/ that mindset that is proven.

Alabama, LSU, UGA, & now Florida & USCjr are in those molds.

Spurrier adjusted to the times when he signed Lattimore & letting him carry the ball 25+ times a game.
 
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SPEDVoL14 said:
Skeeter, how would you rank your coaching candidates?
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Only name i hear from people that matter is Smart. Hart is tight lipped and gives very few people info. Hart will not be pushed around by boosters either. He will make the choice that HE believes is best. Basically, very good chance no one has a friggin clue what coach Hart will go after.
 
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skeeter33418 said:
Only name i hear from people that matter is Smart. Hart is tight lipped and gives very few people info. Hart will not be pushed around by boosters either. He will make the choice that HE believes is best. Basically, very good chance no one has a friggin clue what coach Hart will go after.
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Great! Sounds like our defensive coordinator.
 
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skeeter33418 said:
Only name i hear from people that matter is Smart. Hart is tight lipped and gives very few people info. Hart will not be pushed around by boosters either. He will make the choice that HE believes is best. Basically, very good chance no one has a friggin clue what coach Hart will go after.
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Smart would suuuck.
 
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jmoore_21 said:
Yes I would, stay away from that spread crap. I want a defense minded coach. The way to consistently win at a high level in the SEC is to play good/great defense, run the football, limit turnovers, & have good special teams. Give me a coach w/ that mindset that is proven.

Alabama, LSU, UGA, & now Florida & USCjr are in those molds.

Spurrier adjusted to the times when he signed Lattimore & letting him carry the ball 25+ times a game.
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Patterson is a defensive minded coach number one defense in 2000, 2002, 2008, 2009, 2010. I would like to still run the offense we have now with better gameplans and at slower pace and not abandon the freaking running game and have a good/great defense I think it would work.
 
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coolorange said:
Patterson is a defensive minded coach number one defense in 2000, 2002, 2008, 2009, 2010. I would like to still run the offense we have now with better gameplans and at slower pace and not abandon the freaking running game and have a good/great defense I think it would work.
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Dick Bumpas has a lot to do w/ that IMO. He's been at TCU since 2004.
 
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skeeter33418 said:
Only name i hear from people that matter is Smart. Hart is tight lipped and gives very few people info. Hart will not be pushed around by boosters either. He will make the choice that HE believes is best. Basically, very good chance no one has a friggin clue what coach Hart will go after.
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Is that a risk he is willing to take. IMHO if he hired Smart and season one was not a 8-9 win year 'ol Dave might get shown the door.

Big risk for a guy with no HC experience.
 
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What do people have against Smart other than the fact that he coaches at Alabama? And before people list Dooley/Sunseri as a reason that Smart would not be a good head coach, that's ridiculous. Smart has been Saban's DC for the last 5 years. Sunseri was nothing more than a life-long position coach and Dooley was nothing more than a TE/ST coach and recruiting coordinator, which really only is for organizational purposes.
 
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OCIVol said:
What do people have against Smart other than the fact that he coaches at Alabama? And before people list Dooley/Sunseri as a reason that Smart would not be a good head coach, that's ridiculous. Smart has been Saban's DC for the last 5 years. Sunseri was nothing more than a life-long position coach and Dooley was nothing more than a TE/ST coach and recruiting coordinator, which really only is for organizational purposes.
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Only thing I have against him is that he hasn't been a HC before anywhere on any level. I know people think he would be great but I personally want a guy that has successful HC experience.
 
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OCIVol said:
What do people have against Smart other than the fact that he coaches at Alabama? And before people list Dooley/Sunseri as a reason that Smart would not be a good head coach, that's ridiculous. Smart has been Saban's DC for the last 5 years. Sunseri was nothing more than a life-long position coach and Dooley was nothing more than a TE/ST coach and recruiting coordinator, which really only is for organizational purposes.
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He isn't a proven HC is the big reason IMO. No more taking chances. We need a proven winner.
 
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OCIVol said:
What do people have against Smart other than the fact that he coaches at Alabama? And before people list Dooley/Sunseri as a reason that Smart would not be a good head coach, that's ridiculous. Smart has been Saban's DC for the last 5 years. Sunseri was nothing more than a life-long position coach and Dooley was nothing more than a TE/ST coach and recruiting coordinator, which really only is for organizational purposes.
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It's a lot easier to gamble when you're playing with house $. Charlie Weis and Romeo Crennel also spent a lot of time under Bill B. and we see how that's turned out. At this point in time, a lot of our fans, myself included, would rather invest in silver and gold rather than to play the stock market. Been there. Done that.
 
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coolorange said:
Only thing I have against him is that he hasn't been a HC before anywhere on any level. I know people think he would be great but I personally want a guy that has successful HC experience.
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That argument just doesn't mean much to me. If you hire a coordinator, he has had leadership over other coaches. Plus, look at the long list of coaches who have had their first HC job at a big schools after having no HC experience other than being a coordinator:

Fulmer, Stoops, Richt, Muschamp, Mullen, Strong, etc.
 
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vol2013 said:
You can't be serious? Strong has shown that he can recruit whether it is Florida, Notre Dame, or South Carolina. Also in the two complete recruiting classes that he has had at Louisville look at the players he has brought in like Nick Dawson, Holliman, Keith Brown, Bridgewater, and Andrew Johnson. Nobody in the big east has brought in the talent that he has in those first recruiting classes. There is just absolutely no way to dispute his recruiting ability, and with the job he has done recruiting Florida at Louisville he would be hell at a major program like UT on the recruiting trail.
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I didnt mention recruiting - i don't think you are going to argue that his defense is good or that he has beaten any good teams since he has been there - b/c neither of those are close to true

now let's talk about recruiting - he was a coord at florida in great years, not sure that really is a measure for recruiting - he now has the 72nd ranked class in the country, last year he had the 42nd, in 2011 it was 29th, 48th in 2010

recruiting doesnt look that great once you bring out the actual facts huh?
 
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OCIVol said:
That argument just doesn't mean much to me. If you hire a coordinator, he has had leadership over other coaches. Plus, look at the long list of coaches who have had their first HC job at a big schools after having no HC experience other than being a coordinator:

Fulmer, Stoops, Richt, Muschamp, Mullen, Strong, etc.
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I understand your point and if we'd had success and Dooley was leaving for another job I'd be ok with that hire but we haven't won 8 games since 2008. I want someone with a winning HC back ground for that reason not to say Smart won't be a great coach somewhere for someone.
 
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Ericvol2096 said:
This is his first year in the Big 12 coming up from the MWC. Do you expect him to come in when recruiting to a B-level program and dominate the 2nd best conference in college football?

Urban Meyer had a great record at Bowling Green and Utah, two low level conferences. Does that mean he couldn't win at a BCS power school?

The arguments against Patterson are so ridiculous.

He is likely better than anyone we could realistically hope to get.

Would be an A++++++++++++++++ hire.
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Actually thanks to be in a fertile recruiting ground, he has very comparable talent to most teams in the big 12. For reference here are the four year recruiting averages of TCU and each of their four losses:

TCU:
Average: 38.75

Iowa State
Average: 67.75

Texas Tech
Average: 30

Oklahoma State
Average:31.75

Kansas State
Average: 78.75

Also, to your second point, it works both ways as may coaches like Dirk Koetter exist.
 
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coolorange said:
I understand your point and if we'd had success and Dooley was leaving for another job I'd be ok with that hire but we haven't won 8 games since 2008. I want someone with a winning HC back ground for that reason not to say Smart won't be a great coach somewhere for someone.
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The good, proven coaches are unlikely to leave a good, successful program to come to UT. Why would they? So you're going to be disappointed with who you can get if you take that approach IMO.
 
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OCIVol said:
That argument just doesn't mean much to me. If you hire a coordinator, he has had leadership over other coaches. Plus, look at the long list of coaches who have had their first HC job at a big schools after having no HC experience other than being a coordinator:

Fulmer, Stoops, Richt, Muschamp, Mullen, Strong, etc.
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I get that, but none of those coaches stepped into the SEC, 2013. And what has Muschamp done of consequence? Strong? Mullen? They look good right now simply because we look bad. A 10 win season would be heaven for vol fans. Bigger picture, we should be competing for championships given the facilities and resources at our disposal.
 
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rjd970 said:
I get that, but none of those coaches stepped into the SEC, 2013. And what has Muschamp done of consequence? Strong? Mullen? They look good right now simply because we look bad. A 10 win season would be heaven for vol fans. Bigger picture, we should be competing for championships given the facilities and resources at our disposal.
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So you are not impressed by Muschamp, Strong, or Mullen as head coaches? Who do you want?
 
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HankHill said:
Lol he can't run or back pedal. Sounds like he should be the one dealing with propane instead of getting drafted in the 1st round according to you.

If he is so lame like you are saying. Why did he get drafted that high? Why are the bengals so high on him???

And draft is weak????? This was the best draft in 5 years
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We'll agree to disagree guy. Let me know when Dre shuts a WR down.
 
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