Recruiting Forum: Football Talk II

[OCIVol]

Why would stoops leave? Other than maybe if USC makes a change. but the only way i think he leaves is just to retire

He's been there for 14 years. After a while, the program gets stagnant. Spurrier once said that no coach should stay at any program longer than 10 years because by that time a coach has rebuilt the program, exceeded past expectations, fans continue to raise expectations to the point they are unrealistic (not happy with 10+ win seasons if they've tasted championships), etc. That's what's happened at OU. They're winning 10+ games a year but the fans are not satisfied because they have not played in the BCS championship game in a while.

 

[HankHill]

I'm not saying he would leave, I do agree w/ OCI that Stoops may need to move on. That fanbase is getting tired of only winning 10-11 games a year, they want national titles.

Hell, I think we can all agree that we'd take 9-11 win seasons consistently right now. I know I would.

I know what you mean.
UGA is in the same boat with richt.

I would take Stoops any day but I just don't see him coaching any where besides OU unless he pulls a urban meyer and retires for a year and then comes back

 

[HankHill]

Talk about someone to throw the money at. if were going that route its Urban Meyer. My woody wouldnt go down for a month if we got him.:naughty:

 

[OCIVol]

I know what you mean.
UGA is in the same boat with richt.

I would take Stoops any day but I just don't see him coaching any where besides OU unless he pulls a urban meyer and retires for a year and then comes back

Yep. This is Richt's 12th season at UGA. His career record is 115-39, yet he's constantly on the perceived "hot seat."

 

[OCIVol]

FWIW, Gary Patterson is in his 12th season at TCU...they are not in the top 25 and their fans will soon get restless.

 

[HankHill]

FWIW, Gary Patterson is in his 12th season at TCU...they are not in the top 25 and their fans will soon get restless.

They are going through a drug ring down there and Casey whatever QB got dismissed.

I do like their unis though. :yes:

 

[Ericvol2096]

So after reading through a few pages it seems that no one is impressed w/ the candidates list? & I agree. It's not very impressive. I think the last 2 searches we've conducted had better top heavy candidates. Besides Gruden, which I don't think is happening, I don't see a true "Home Run" hire out there. JMO.

You have to remember that people you conceieve as home run hires weren't exactly deemed that in 2010 before they have had their current successes at major programs.

-Muschamp was just a coordinator living off of TX talent who was to fiery to ever be a real head coach.
-Sumlin was unproven and had a gimmicky offense and hadn't won long enough
-Brian Kelly wasn't going to be able to recruit good enough at the SEC level.

Ect, ect.

So just like in 2010 there are some very solid candidates who would be very good hires if TN were to go that direction. These names below are equivalent of those names above in 2010.

Patterson (actually better than any of those)
Strong
Franklin
Smart (very similar to Muschamp)
Mullen
Tubberville

 

[HankHill]

He wasn't even a good college player. I give you examples of Dre playing poorly. Name me good plays that he's made in coverage.

SN: Mel Kiper is respected by the public. Not coaches or GMs really. I don't knock his hustle but stop pumping this dude up. Check his history he never even put a helmet on in his life. He's never spent time coaching in any form. So do you really think that he knows more about the game just because he's all over ESPN? If teams respected him so much then why wasn't he a GM a while back? He talks fast and keeps that hair together. he pumps guys up because he can't really talk down on them being that it wouldn't look good for him to pump negativity on the network consistently.

Dude get over yourself. You are not some football guru.

but he had to do something right or why did he get drafted so high? The bengals love him and expect him to be their #2 when he fully recovers towards the end of the year.

 

[The Breakerboy]

FWIW, Gary Patterson is in his 12th season at TCU...they are not in the top 25 and their fans will soon get restless.

Even though I don't like how Stoops teams are playing defense right now I would take him over Patterson anyday. I really don't want Patterson at Tennessee.

 

[vol2013]

this is not apparant to me at all - the big east is worse than it has ever been and they played noone ooc - so what is apparant to me is that bridgewater is a good player, their defense (strong's strongsuit) is terrible, and they have beaten no team of consequence

You can't be serious? Strong has shown that he can recruit whether it is Florida, Notre Dame, or South Carolina. Also in the two complete recruiting classes that he has had at Louisville look at the players he has brought in like Nick Dawson, Holliman, Keith Brown, Bridgewater, and Andrew Johnson. Nobody in the big east has brought in the talent that he has in those first recruiting classes. There is just absolutely no way to dispute his recruiting ability, and with the job he has done recruiting Florida at Louisville he would be hell at a major program like UT on the recruiting trail.

 

[mooreaj21]

You have to remember that people you conceieve as home run hires weren't exactly deemed that in 2010 before they have had their current successes at major programs.

-Muschamp was just a coordinator living off of TX talent who was to fiery to ever be a real head coach.
-Sumlin was unproven and had a gimmicky offense and hadn't won long enough
-Brian Kelly wasn't going to be able to recruit good enough at the SEC level.

Ect, ect.

So just like in 2010 there are some very solid candidates who would be very good hires if TN were to go that direction. These names below are equivalent of those names above in 2010.

Patterson (actually better than any of those)
Strong
Franklin
Smart (very similar to Muschamp)
Mullen
Tubberville

I just don't agree.

Kelly was a proven winner, he has won at every level of football he's coached & he is doing the same at ND. He's recruiting pretty good to ND & I think he could have recruited good to Tennessee.

Muschamp had proven his worth as a DC at multiple places, he is nothing like Smart. Let Smart go somewhere other than under Sabans wing to be a DC & let him get the same results. Then I'll believe he can be HC worthy.

Sumlin is likely the only guy that is comparable to the list being thrown around now.

JMO.

 

[skeeter33418]

Even though I don't like how Stoops teams are playing defense right now I would take him over Patterson anyday. I really don't want Patterson at Tennessee.

I want nothing to do with Stoops. he recruits elite talent to Ok and more times than not poops the bed in the big12. I think he would get killed in the sec.

 

[skeeter33418]

I just don't agree.

Kelly was a proven winner, he has won at every level of football he's coached & he is doing the same at ND. He's recruiting pretty good to ND & I think he could have recruited good to Tennessee.

Muschamp had proven his worth as a DC at multiple places, he is nothing like Smart. Let Smart go somewhere other than under Sabans wing to be a DC & let him get the same results. Then I'll believe he can be HC worthy.

Sumlin is likely the only guy that is comparable to the list being thrown around now.

JMO.

A&M can match anything we could offer Sumlin money wise.

 

[Tha Don]

You have to remember that people you conceieve as home run hires weren't exactly deemed that in 2010 before they have had their current successes at major programs.

-Muschamp was just a coordinator living off of TX talent who was to fiery to ever be a real head coach.
-Sumlin was unproven and had a gimmicky offense and hadn't won long enough
-Brian Kelly wasn't going to be able to recruit good enough at the SEC level.

Ect, ect.

So just like in 2010 there are some very solid candidates who would be very good hires if TN were to go that direction. These names below are equivalent of those names above in 2010.

Patterson (actually better than any of those)
Strong
------------------------------
Franklin
Smart (very similar to Muschamp)
Mullen
Tubberville

Want no part of anyone below the line.

 

[The Breakerboy]

Dude get over yourself. You are not some football guru.

but he had to do something right or why did he get drafted so high? The bengals love him and expect him to be their #2 when he fully recovers towards the end of the year.

So you come at me because I give you facts to back my argument. I said I would love to sit down and talk DBs with Kiper. You start with basically hating like hell I see. I give you a post to dispute against you provide me with nothing but dribble. No examples no nothing. Even Bama fans didn't think Dre was a good CB. Boy can't even turn and run at CB but I guess Mel Kiper will dispute that too. Two other junior CBs went before this guy I wonder why seeing that Gilmore was slower at the combine(I think) and not coached by Saban(great DB coach). Reason Dre went first round was because this past draft was one of the weakest drafts in years.

Dre can't even backpedal. How is he going to start at CB? It's an article with him stating it himself. Saban schemed to cover him up everyone knows this that watched Bama play. He hardly ever even had Cover 1 style of defense to his style. The free safety(Lester the better coverage safety) always was over the top on his side. They also moved Menzie around to follow the best WR not Dre. I wonder why? Dispute that football guru....Stick to Propane.

 

[MTSUDaff]

Anyone who wouldn't want Gary Patterson is nuts. That guy can flat out coach defense.

 

[SPEDVoL14]

Skeeter, how would you rank your coaching candidates?

 

[volunteerlane]

Even though I don't like how Stoops teams are playing defense right now I would take him over Patterson anyday. I really don't want Patterson at Tennessee.

I dont think I would put Patterson in my top 10. He has done well while in the Mountain West conference (77-14), but not as good in the Big 12.

 

[Ericvol2096]

I just don't agree.

Kelly was a proven winner, he has won at every level of football he's coached & he is doing the same at ND. He's recruiting pretty good to ND & I think he could have recruited good to Tennessee.

Muschamp had proven his worth as a DC at multiple places, he is nothing like Smart. Let Smart go somewhere other than under Sabans wing to be a DC & let him get the same results. Then I'll believe he can be HC worthy.

Sumlin is likely the only guy that is comparable to the list being thrown around now.

JMO.

Kelly was less proven than Patterson is currently. And what Kelly has done recruiting at ND is irrelevent as he wasn't there in 2010...his recruiting was a mystery at that point.


Smart is probably true because he has always been under Saban, so maybe a better comparision is Guz Malazhan to Muschamp. Would you consider him a bad hire?

 

[coolorange]

FWIW, Gary Patterson is in his 12th season at TCU...they are not in the top 25 and their fans will soon get restless.

I think they would be had it not been for Casey getting kickoff/leaving school for rehab and having to play your back up QB.

 

[HankHill]

So you come at me because I give you facts to back my argument. I said I would love to sit down and talk DBs with Kiper. You start with basically hating like hell I see. I give you a post to dispute against you provide me with nothing but dribble. No examples no nothing. Even Bama fans didn't think Dre was a good CB. Boy can't even turn and run at CB but I guess Mel Kiper will dispute that too. Two other junior CBs went before this guy I wonder why seeing that Gilmore was slower at the combine(I think) and not coached by Saban(great DB coach). Reason Dre went first round was because this past draft was one of the weakest drafts in years.

Dre can't even backpedal. How is he going to start at CB? It's an article with him stating it himself. Saban schemed to cover him up everyone knows this that watched Bama play. He hardly ever even had Cover 1 style of defense to his style. The free safety(Lester the better coverage safety) always was over the top on his side. They also moved Menzie around to follow the best WR not Dre. I wonder why? Dispute that football guru....Stick to Propane.

Lol he can't run or back pedal. Sounds like he should be the one dealing with propane instead of getting drafted in the 1st round according to you.

If he is so lame like you are saying. Why did he get drafted that high? Why are the bengals so high on him???

And draft is weak????? This was the best draft in 5 years

 

[neggawhat]

Malzahn is the guy.

 

[Ericvol2096]

I dont think I would put Patterson in my top 10. He has done well while in the Mountain West conference (77-14), but not as good in the Big 12.

This is his first year in the Big 12 coming up from the MWC. Do you expect him to come in when recruiting to a B-level program and dominate the 2nd best conference in college football?

Urban Meyer had a great record at Bowling Green and Utah, two low level conferences. Does that mean he couldn't win at a BCS power school?

The arguments against Patterson are so ridiculous.

He is likely better than anyone we could realistically hope to get.

Would be an A++++++++++++++++ hire.

 

[StlCardinals2618]

This is his first year in the Big 12 coming up from the MWC. Do you expect him to come in when recruiting to a B-level program and dominate the 2nd best conference in college football?

Urban Meyer had a great record at Bowling Green and Utah, two low level conferences. Does that mean he couldn't win at a BCS power school?

The arguments against Patterson are so ridiculous.

He is likely better than anyone we could realistically hope to get.

Would be an A++++++++++++++++ hire.

Tcu isn't any worse than Texas tech or Kansas state. Tcu actually has more wins than both

 

[coolorange]

This is his first year in the Big 12 coming up from the MWC. Do you expect him to come in when recruiting to a B-level program and dominate the 2nd best conference in college football?

Urban Meyer had a great record at Bowling Green and Utah, two low level conferences. Does that mean he couldn't win at a BCS power school?

The arguments against Patterson are so ridiculous.

He is likely better than anyone we could realistically hope to get.

Would be an A++++++++++++++++ hire.

While also playing with your backup QB cause your starter is in rehab.