Official Jon Gruden Thread VI

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BruinVol said:
He hasn't been sacked because he isn't willing to take a hit. The intentional grounding against florida which is the biggest play of the year IMO is evidence of his unwillingness to shuffle away from pressure
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Not even the most mobile QB's can get away from the kind of pressure Bray faced on that play. Example: watch Vick this year. He's the best running QB in the history of the game and he's near the top of the NFL in sacks because his O-Line is awful.
 
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Escape Goat said:
Every single year teams make a run on QB's early in the first. Every year teams reach based on needs. Ex: Minnesota with Ponder, Denver with Tebow (*snicker*).

I would bet you anything Tyler would go in the first round. Don't agree that he should, but he would
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you really think he would go in the First round ( not being a smartarse ) either but when pressed this year against good teams he has looked like he needed to be benched. Yeah when he has played teams like troy he has looked like a first rounder but the NFL don't have Troy Teams. I would say late 2nd at best
 
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bjsvols1 said:
Not even the most mobile QB's can get away from the kind of pressure Bray faced on that play. Example: watch Vick this year. He's the best running QB in the history of the game and he's near the top of the NFL in sacks because his O-Line is awful.
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I never said he should have gotten away from it but he darn are should have shuffled outside the pocket to throw the ball away


Vick holds on too long IMO but bray can't get the ball out of his hands quick enough to which doesnt allow the 2nd and 3rd option to develop.
 
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<-----------FF thattaway...


So the meeting was a stroke and stuff session for the suits with no real merit or intent...?

Whats the scoop?

Waiting on someone to show up and say there will be another meeting about something else soon.
 
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Escape Goat said:
Every single year teams make a run on QB's early in the first. Every year teams reach based on needs. Ex: Minnesota with Ponder, Denver with Tebow (*snicker*).

I would bet you anything Tyler would go in the first round. Don't agree that he should, but he would
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I understand your logic, and with a smaller QB class such as after his senior year I would agree completely, but this year has a deep QB pool that is extremely top heavy.

Matt Barkley-USC
Colin Klein- KSU
Logan Thomas-Va. Tech
Tyler Wilson- Ark
Aaron Murray- UGA
Mike Glennon- NCSU
K. Price- UW
Landry Jones-Oklahoma
Seth Doege- TX Tech

Any of these guys could be argued as higher rated than Bray, I am probably forgetting some, but IMO Bray would be at best a late 3rd rounder...
 
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bcartervol98 said:
What quarterbacks will be taken before him? Who is entering this year, I seriously do not know.

Keep in mind the NFL looks for potential. Tyler's arm-strength, passing prowess, and pocket awareness are intangibles that make the NFL salivate all over themselves.

I think he is a late 1st early 2nd pick right now and should pad enough in these last 3 games + a possible bowl to solidify a late, possibly even middle 1st round.
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Bray, Hunter and Patterson are all projected 1st or 2nd round draft picks.

I give each a 50/50 chance of going to the NFL after this season. If there is no coaching change made I bump that up to 90% that they will bolt for the NFL.
 
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We also have to remeber the NFL is in the middle of a youth movement at the QB psition there are 9 starters that are in their 1st or senond year. There are just not a lot more teams that are looking to spend first round money on a guy that will watch for a couple of years. The look more toward the 2-4 rounds for that type of QB. And Bray may very well fall in this category...


EDIT: You may look for Cleveland, Jacksonville, maybe Philly, and maybe San Diego and maybe Dallas...but that is about it. If others fall late in the draft they will get grabbed but these teams are the ones that may grab QB's early and I just do not put Bray in the top 5 of the draft at the QB position...
 
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RagingOrange said:
<-----------FF thattaway...


So the meeting was a stroke and stuff session for the suits with no real merit or intent...?

Whats the scoop?

Waiting on someone to show up and say there will be another meeting about something else soon.
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This was LWS take, posted in a different thread

LWS
"I'm not much on the politics. the amendment that was on the agenda passed. I never did figure out what the actual words meant and the explanations I got never jived either.

what that means to me, in laymen terms, is that Dave Hart manages the funds coming in through the Tennessee Fund office with the university still having over sight. They have been having over sight for the last 18 months so that is not a change.

I'm guessing clairty was made via BOT approval on teh management aspect of those funds.

best I can do"
 
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jos3ywales said:
you really think he would go in the First round ( not being a smartarse ) either but when pressed this year against good teams he has looked like he needed to be benched. Yeah when he has played teams like troy he has looked like a first rounder but the NFL don't have Troy Teams. I would say late 2nd at best
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I don't think he should go in the first round, but based on potential I think he would.
 
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gardners_51609 said:
I understand your logic, and with a smaller QB class such as after his senior year I would agree completely, but this year has a deep QB pool that is extremely top heavy.

Matt Barkley-USC
Colin Klein- KSU
Logan Thomas-Va. Tech
Tyler Wilson- Ark
Aaron Murray- UGA
Mike Glennon- NCSU
K. Price- UW
Landry Jones-Oklahoma
Seth Doege- TX Tech

Any of these guys could be argued as higher rated than Bray, I am probably forgetting some, but IMO Bray would be at best a late 3rd rounder...
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If this proves true, he will be back. I just think in terms of NFL potential you are underrating him.
 
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Logan Thomas is garbage.
Wait until the combine results before ranking them. Bray is the best pure passer of the Bunch besides maybe Barkley.

gardners_51609 said:
I understand your logic, and with a smaller QB class such as after his senior year I would agree completely, but this year has a deep QB pool that is extremely top heavy.

Matt Barkley-USC
Colin Klein- KSU
Logan Thomas-Va. Tech
Tyler Wilson- Ark
Aaron Murray- UGA
Mike Glennon- NCSU
K. Price- UW
Landry Jones-Oklahoma
Seth Doege- TX Tech

Any of these guys could be argued as higher rated than Bray, I am probably forgetting some, but IMO Bray would be at best a late 3rd rounder...
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Haven't seen this one posted yet:

There is a growing belief this is the time Jon Gruden finally returns to coaching.

Gruden will deny this as he is one of the great slicksters in the profession and his current employer, ESPN, might not know his true intentions. Yet sources around the sport, including several assistant coaches, say Gruden has been quietly asking some NFL assistants, hypothetically, that if he did come back, would they be interested in joining him.

It's unclear if Gruden is planning a college or NFL return but since, for the moment, it seems he's asking NFL assistants about their interest, the NFL is his likely destination.

Several sources say Gruden isn't making clear where he would like to coach. Howard Eskin of WIP radio in Philadelphia reported Gruden could be next coach of the Philadelphia Eagles. But sources say Gruden isn't disclosing any kind of wish list. In fact, he isn't disclosing much at all, other than this is possibly the year he makes his return.

The way sources portray the situation is that Gruden wants to be ready if and when teams begin to ask about his availability. If the right situation is available, these sources say, Gruden will have a skeleton staff ready and can move quickly. If the right situation does not appear, he would simply stay at ESPN until it did.
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Is Jon Gruden assembling a staff for possible return? - CBSSports.com
 
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Coastypop said:
This was LWS take, posted in a different thread

LWS
"I'm not much on the politics. the amendment that was on the agenda passed. I never did figure out what the actual words meant and the explanations I got never jived either.

what that means to me, in laymen terms, is that Dave Hart manages the funds coming in through the Tennessee Fund office with the university still having over sight. They have been having over sight for the last 18 months so that is not a change.

I'm guessing clairty was made via BOT approval on teh management aspect of those funds.

best I can do"
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Thanks for that. So basically a formality that allows Hart to manage the money himself with approval from the Uni? Sounds like anything major still has to get approved, and total freedom (as imagined) for a big hire is still not possible.
 
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