Does this kill all hope of Gruden??

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jasonvol18 said:
Im sure Chris Low and Kirk Herbstreit know him a little better than you and what is going on and they say differently. Think they may be a little more in the know than a VN poster..No offense but just saying.
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New to the board and not being sarcastic. What exactly did Low and Herbstreit say?
 
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How is there room for debate? The contract either allows him to leave or it does not. I read it as he can not. Has anyone determined the truth about his MNF contract yet?
 
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Flatliner said:
I agree, why would you leave the cushy job making tons of money for a HIGH stress job in the SEC where you are on the road all the time away from your family. Just ask Urban Meyer ... do you really believe he left Florida for health reasons ?

:twocents:
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Because these coaches are type A personalities that are driven to sucede and prove themselves
 
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Ttucke11 said:
What's going to happen? Will we start the season 0-5 in the SEC or something terrible like that?
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This. It can't get worse. That is why I support a change no matter who the new coach is. I think recruiting would improve as well, even if it were someone like Smart.
 
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Gruden will certainly be missed in the booth. Maybe he can do guest appearances.
 
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TNHopeful505 said:
Jon Gruden signs five-year extension to stay on MNF - NFL - Sporting News

Uh oh.
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Okay, for the non-lawyers. I don't have the entire contract, but what you have posted states that he will stay out of coaching through the end of the contract.

What it means is that he will not coach and do MNF AT THE SAME TIME. There almost certainly is a termination provision in the contract, and I would bet money that it includes an out if he wants to coach again. Once the contract is terminated it is "ended" and he would not be in breach by coaching.

This now clues me in as to why there can be no announcement at this time. He cannot be announced as anybody's coach until after he completes this season at MNF and terminates the MNF contract.

Now, he could go to MNF for a waiver, but that probably is more trouble than it is worth.
 
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EZE said:
Okay, for the non-lawyers. I don't have the entire contract, but what you have posted states that he will stay out of coaching through the end of the contract.

What it means is that he will not coach and do MNF AT THE SAME TIME. There almost certainly is a termination provision in the contract, and I would bet money that it includes an out if he wants to coach again. Once the contract is terminated it is "ended" and he would not be in breach by coaching.

This now clues me in as to why there can be no announcement at this time. He cannot be announced as anybody's coach until after he completes this season at MNF and terminates the MNF contract.

Now, he could go to MNF for a waiver, but that probably is more trouble than it is worth.
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are you a lawyer?
 
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VolsByNature said:
If Hart can't get a big name, it'll be a huge mistake to get rid of Dooley.
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Why? Because he'll turn it around next season? I used to consider this point of view but the bottom line is that Doolz is a cancer on this program and there is literally NO hope with him here. Seven assistants jumped ship last season because they either a) can't work with him because he's a petulant d***; b) saw the writing on the wall and realized he was never going to win; or c) all of the above.

There are literally DOZENS of coaches that would be an improvement over him. He's embarrassingly awful.

A solid name is definitely preferable though.

Gruden 2013

I know, sweet melt.
 
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'Boro-vol said:
It's funny, nobody on the pro-Gruden side of the house, despite what information we may have, has said Gruden is a done deal and will definitely be here.
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This is not true. There are pro-Gruden posters who have stated that Gruden will be here. More than a couple of threads have been started on this subject.
 
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With ESPN's move, it potentially keeps Gruden from being tempted back into coaching at a marquee organization or, perhaps more important, college program.
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This is the part of the article that is in question. Have any of you good gents delved a bit deeper into how it, notice it says "potentially", could keep him out of coaching?
 
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If we cant get a big name and have to keep Dooley next year then season ticket sales plummet to new lows. They struggled to sale 45-48k this year. You could see sales next year around 30-35k and turnstile numbers down to 50k. After going to Oregon and Florida with Dooley next September 2013 and no new energy or hope ... imagine how bad things will be around here.
 
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TNHopeful505 said:
Jon Gruden signs five-year extension to stay on MNF - NFL - Sporting News

Notice this statement:




Uh oh.
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Lawyers or not, contracts can always be bought out.

A more important questions is whether or not Gruden has a chance to land real NFL money?

Would the Browns look to hire Jon Gruden as next coach? - CBSSports.com

Top NFL coaches make between $7 and $7.5 million/yr. The highest paid college coach makes a little over $5 million. Both are nice, but one is 40% to 50% nicer.

Fair to say, UT would probably need Haslam to chip in to help with this high of a Gruden salary or the $9 million Dooley & staff buyout or both.

But, Haslam has just bought the Cleveland Browns for $1.05 billion. If he's truly interested in Gruden, if he believes Gruden is worth the dollars, does he put his $1.05 billion investment or his college first? Also, there are many articles with the likes of Robert Kraft and Art Rooney saying how jazzed and passionate Haslam is about owning the Browns.

Generally speaking, you do not become a billionaire in business by deferring your own interests in favor of others when you so much on the line. Just sayin.
 
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VolsByNature said:
If Hart can't get a big name, it'll be a huge mistake to get rid of Dooley.
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No reason we can not get a big name!!!!

If we pay 6 mil. We will get a big name.

We are in better shape than when we hired dooley or Kiffin.
 
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SteveninTenn said:
If we cant get a big name and have to keep Dooley next year then season ticket sales plummet to new lows. They struggled to sale 45-48k this year. You could see sales next year around 30-35k and turnstile numbers down to 50k. After going to Oregon and Florida with Dooley next September 2013 and no new energy or hope ... imagine how bad things will be around here.
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Doesn't matter who is coach...probably be 3-3 after 6 games anyway....
 
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VegasBaby! said:
Lawyers or not, contracts can always be bought out.

A more important questions is whether or not Gruden has a chance to land real NFL money?

Would the Browns look to hire Jon Gruden as next coach? - CBSSports.com

Top NFL coaches make between $7 and $7.5 million/yr. The highest paid college coach makes a little over $5 million. Both are nice, but one is 40% to 50% nicer.

Fair to say, UT would probably need Haslam to chip in to help with this high of a Gruden salary or the $9 million Dooley & staff buyout or both.

But, Haslam has just bought the Cleveland Browns for $1.05 billion. If he's truly interested in Gruden, if he believes Gruden is worth the dollars, does he put his $1.05 billion investment or his college first? Also, there are many articles with the likes of Robert Kraft and Art Rooney saying how jazzed and passionate Haslam is about owning the Browns.

Generally speaking, you do not become a billionaire in business by deferring your own interests in favor of others when you so much on the line. Just sayin.
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You have to get used to thinking in numbers with this many zeros behind them. Imagine a man with enough $$$ to spend 1.05 billion dollars. That's billion dollars. Not million. Billion.

If you had the liquid assets to go out and spend 1.05 million dollars on a new car, would you blink at spending 9,000 to gussy up your wife's?
 
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