Would you hire this coach?

#52
#52
SpringBokVol said:
Come on. This is the worst argument.

Sure, Dungy had the talent built up. But he didn't get them to a SB and he sure didn't win it.

Gruden came in and coached them to the win.

Also, don't forgot that the same argument could be made about the team Gruden beat in the SB - it was his Oakland team that he built.

If anything that was the Gruden bowl. Either way he wins.
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I don't necessarily think that's a terrible argument. You can't act like he had nothing to do with the Bucs winning the Superbowl, but that defense was one questionable Ricky Proehl call away from making the Superbowl the year the Titans played the Rams for everything. I mean that defense was dominant for years.

The defense had nothing to do with Gruden, that's all. And that's the rub. That defense was almost as good as the Ravens the year they won the Superbowl, and they just had NO offense when Gruden was there, so all they needed was a serviceable offense. With Gruden, you are going to get that, and the rest is history. I mean Trent Dilfer was the starting QB. That tells you how good that defense was.

Nothing changes the fact that Gruden is a hell of a coach, and knows what he is doing. I have no doubt he would come in to Knoxville, get top tier recruits (especially on offense), and bring the coaching competency IN GAMES that is needed to win in the SEC....something we simply do not have right now. This entire staff is dead to me outside of Pittman and Graham. There is absolutely ZERO, NON, ZILCH reason we should not be running the ball WAY WAY more than we are right now.

EDIT: That said, I don't think he ends up in Knoxville. I don't doubt what you are saying, that he has an agreement in principle in place, but I just get the feeling he is kicking the tires while getting all his ducks in a row. He just eats, sleeps, & breathes football. I just think he is destined to end up back in the NFL.....if someone wants him. If he doesn't get a gig this offseason in the NFL, I can't see him ever getting another shot. If teams shut him out, he may very well take an NCAA job.
 
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#53
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Winning is what matters but total games coached tells a story too in the NFL. Anybody that makes it to 100 knows what they're doing.
 
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Give_Him_6! said:
I wonder if anybody would be happy with this coach If we hired him? Just want you to see his record. Do you think this is a homerun hire?

Year W L

1998 8 8
1999 8 8
2000 12 4
2001 10 6
2002 12 4
2003 7 9
2004 5 11
2005 11 5
2006 4 12
2007 9 7
2008 9 7

Total 95 81 (.540%)
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Yes. And if you include post season wins like college he has even more wins.
 
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Give_Him_6! said:
I wonder if anybody would be happy with this coach If we hired him? Just want you to see his record. Do you think this is a homerun hire?

Year W L

1998 8 8
1999 8 8
2000 12 4
2001 10 6
2002 12 4
2003 7 9
2004 5 11
2005 11 5
2006 4 12
2007 9 7
2008 9 7

Total 95 81 (.540%)
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Smh. You do know that there are no Akron's and McNeese State's to schedule on a professional football schedule right?
 
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Give_Him_6! said:
I wonder if anybody would be happy with this coach If we hired him? Just want you to see his record. Do you think this is a homerun hire?

Year W L

1998 8 8
1999 8 8
2000 12 4
2001 10 6
2002 12 4
2003 7 9
2004 5 11
2005 11 5
2006 4 12
2007 9 7
2008 9 7

Total 95 81 (.540%)
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For an NFL coach thats a very good winning %, especially at Oakland and Tampa Bay. Which makes that %I even more impressive. Not sure Pete Carroll's winning % in the NFL but just guessing its lower than Gruden's and Pete did ok at USC.
 
#60
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TNHopeful505 said:
Posting Gruden's record....

You should probably mention this is NFL games. Not scrub games that include annual cupcake games like a college coach. So, to answer your question, .540% in the NFL, would I hire him?

Absolutely. If you can win more than you lose against the best players in the world, you're a pretty good coach!
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Seeing as 9-7 can get you into the playoffs quite often who wouldn't take a coach that is over .500 for his entire career?
 
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Give_Him_6! said:
Tony Dungy built the Super Bowl Team. Jon Gruden just came in at the right time.
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Please tell me you're not that stupid? The only reason Tony Dungy won a superbowl in Indy was because of Peyton Manning. Without Peyton Manning Indianapolis would not have won that superbowl.
 
#62
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I found an interesting link to the Top 30 coaches by winning % in NFL history (minimum 100 games).

It was compiled in 2008, so there has probably been a few changes to the list, but it is still a good reference point.

While Gruden isn't on the list, his .540 isn't very far below the .570 posted by the 30th ranked coach.

It should also be noted that Gruden's postseason record of 5-4 (.556) is better than several other coaches and wasn't included in the OP.
 
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wolfej said:
Please tell me you're not that stupid? The only reason Tony Dungy won a superbowl in Indy was because of Peyton Manning. Without Peyton Manning Indianapolis would not have won that superbowl.
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If your so smart and think Dungy had nothing to do with it. I ask you brains how many superbowls did Dan Mario Win? He is one of the best QB ever .
 
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Give_Him_6! said:
If your so smart and think Dungy had nothing to do with it. I ask you brains how many superbowls did Dan Mario Win? He is one of the best QB ever .
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Marino was 0-1 in SuperBowls.

Dungy was/is an excellent coach.

These facts don't take away from the fact that Gruden is also a great coach with a SuperBowl win. His later years were largely crippled by the fact that Tampa's management traded two first round draft picks and two second round draft picks to the Raiders to get Gruden to begin with.

A record above .500 in the NFL is impressive because of the parity. If Gruden averages .500 against teams with equal resources in the SEC (Bama, UF, UGA, etc), then he will be putting up 9-10 win seasons pretty much every year. I don't think anyone will complain about that.

It's just intellectually dishonest to put up college and NFL regular season winning % side by side, because Gruden has never had the Akrons, Georgia States, and Troys of the world to build his record against. Even the worst NFL team has the potential for greatness on any given Sunday.
 
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All I was asking was based on the record do you think this would be a homerun hire. You people act like I said something bad about your girlfriend. You have ask him to the prom once and he turned you down and now you want to ask again. If he is so great why has he been on the side lines for 4 years you would think someone would have snatched him up by now. They have been alot of job openings in the NFL and college level in the past 4 years. Besides Tennessee how many job offers has he had? The point is if we are going to throw as much money as you say (6-7 million) at him I think we could get about anybody out there. I just won't the best coach for Tennessee not the best name.
 
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Give_Him_6! said:
All I was asking was based on the record do you think this would be a homerun hire. You people act like I said something bad about your girlfriend. You have ask him to the prom once and he turned you down and now you want to ask again. If he is so great why has he been on the side lines for 4 years you would think someone would have snatched him up by now. They have been alot of job openings in the NFL and college level in the past 4 years. Besides Tennessee how many job offers has he had? The point is if we are going to throw as much money as you say (6-7 million) at him I think we could get about anybody out there. I just won't the best coach for Tennessee not the best name.
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Gruden is the best we can get. Is he a sure thing? No. No one is, save maybe Saban or Meyer and they aren't coming here right now. But Gruden is as close as we can get to a sure thing, in my opinion. He's a hard worker, a student of the game, and a fabulously successful pro coach who has had major success with two different teams. It also doesn't hurt that he's famous and has a Super Bowl ring and can get just about any high school coach's or recruit's full attention.
 
#70
#70
We would all rather argue with a bama fan over our coaches merits with a Super Bowl ring as opposed to his merits with a losing record at La Tech. K thanks good bye
 
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#71
Gruden is part of a very very short list of coaches (college or NFL) who could come to Knoxville and immediately eliminate some of UT's natural crootin' disadvantages. Pretending that a Super Bowl winning coach is just a name is a very big stretch. He is also recognized as an outstanding offensive mind among peers and the media.
 
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Give_Him_6! said:
All I was asking was based on the record do you think this would be a homerun hire. You people act like I said something bad about your girlfriend. You have ask him to the prom once and he turned you down and now you want to ask again. If he is so great why has he been on the side lines for 4 years you would think someone would have snatched him up by now. They have been alot of job openings in the NFL and college level in the past 4 years. Besides Tennessee how many job offers has he had? The point is if we are going to throw as much money as you say (6-7 million) at him I think we could get about anybody out there. I just won't the best coach for Tennessee not the best name.
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The Fulmer Paradigm does not work in the case of Gruden.

He had reported offers from Oregon, Louisville, and Miami in the past three seasons. Those are the ones that made the news, not the ones he passed immediately on.

He would be a monster hire for this program.

Picking apart his record in what is by far the most challenging league in pro sports doesn't change that.
 
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Give_Him_6! said:
Tony Dungy built the Super Bowl Team. Jon Gruden just came in at the right time.
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Then, prey tell why was Dungy canned for building such a stellar team??

The argument that Gruden only "only won a Super Bowl" with someone else's players baffles me. That was the SAME TEAM that has been shut down in the playoffs for 5 years in a row.

...and he's one more Super Bowl win than Jeff Fisher, who happens to own a worse winning percentage than JG, yet somehow is still considered one of the best HC's in the NFL.
 
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