Why Hart has no option.

#76
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VolBeef88 said:
He has got to fire Dooley. Not only for the good of the programs financial situation with loss of ticket sales and donations we will face. But can you imagine how ugly it's going to be in the off season and then after we go get our teeth kicked in (yet again by a good team) by Oregon? The fan outcry we see now will pale in comparrison.
Hart really has no choice and he has already made it, just hasn't announced it.
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oh boy,another insider on the ouside looking in.:eek:lol:
 
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vol4life03 said:
To be honest If we don't get Gruden , strong , Patterson or Peterson at Boise state id rather just keep Dooley. because I don't want smart or any other assistant coach and those are the only guys we look to maybe have a chance at getting? Unless stoops wants to come or maybe tressel?
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Tressel cannot coach for a while due to NCAA sanctions against him when he left Ohio State. At lease, that is my understanding. However, didn't Akron try to get him to coach there... and he turned them down?
 
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VolBeef88 said:
He has got to fire Dooley. Not only for the good of the programs financial situation with loss of ticket sales and donations we will face. But can you imagine how ugly it's going to be in the off season and then after we go get our teeth kicked in (yet again by a good team) by Oregon? The fan outcry we see now will pale in comparrison.
Hart really has no choice and he has already made it, just hasn't announced it.
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I didn't know we have already played Oregon for next year. Hmmm interesting Richard.
 
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Would someone with a little more Knowledge than me please provide a list of Eceptional College coaches with proven ability to coach & recruit to be competitive in the SEC?
 
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Vol4life25 said:
To fire Dooley and hes asst. this year is going to cost 10 million, then to hire a new coach and asst. Its going to cost another 5 mil atleast......I Dont think a few 1,000 ticket sales are going to make a dent in that.

Face it, if dooley wins out, and wins his bowl game.

He will be our 2013 coach.
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If Hart can't come up with the money then this ain't the job for Hart. Because I can quaran d@mn tee you that Bama, FL,LSU, and the rest of the big hitters would come up with a way.
 
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sonofUT62 said:
He was previously Wisconsins DC. He has had success everywhere he's gone including a 1-AA championship as a coordinator. I would have to go back and look but I'm pretty sure he won the conference (MAC?) last year in his first year as the head coach. He's no Dooley. Ole Miss hasn't won 10 games since Cut left, and Duke is bowl eligible for the first time in EIGHTEEN years. Sounds pretty good to me. I think it's pretty ridiculous to judge Cut's coaching ability against a FSU team that has literally twice the talent he does.
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So you agree its silly to judge a coach who loses to a team that has much more talent.HUMMM interesting. The MAC, you bring up the MAC as a resume! How many years did it take Cut to get bowl eligible? You think our fans are that patient? As far as Ole Miss. Eli happened to also leave at that time another inconvienent fact. Again, I don't care if we keep Dools are not, but let's get it right this time with a proven big name, big bucks, proven big time winner. Either pay what it cost to run with the big dogs and stay under the porch. I think our fans have had enough experimentation.
 
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DelawareVolfan said:
I think it is time to make a change as well, but is there a clear upgrade available that is willing to take the job?
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Any change is an upgrade this isnt hamilton fumbling through a search. Dave Hart won't hire a mid major coach with a losing record, he'll hire a winner
 
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Vol4life25 said:
To fire Dooley and hes asst. this year is going to cost 10 million, then to hire a new coach and asst. Its going to cost another 5 mil atleast......I Dont think a few 1,000 ticket sales are going to make a dent in that.

Face it, if dooley wins out, and wins his bowl game.

He will be our 2013 coach.
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Actually, NO it will not.

Hart would need to be ready to cover a 250-300,000.00 a month payment to fire the whole staff including Dooley. That is MUCH less than 10 million dollars this year. To hire a new HC and staff would cost another "amount" per month.

30,000 empty seats = approx 1.5 million PER GAME just i ticket sales.

Dooley is on the way out. It's ok to think otherwise, just don't bet on it.
 
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DERELICK_MY_VOLS said:
Neyland holds 102,000. If it is only filled with say 72,000 fans per game then do the math:

30,000 empty seats X $49 per ticket = $1,470,000 per game X 7 home games = $10,290,000 not including concession sales my man.

Yeah a few 1,000 tickets make a massive difference.
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You're looking more at 20kthe max in lost attendance but the point is taken. The more important factor is the big money donors closing their wallets.
 
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TNRazor said:
Any change is an upgrade this isnt hamilton fumbling through a search. Dave Hart won't hire a mid major coach with a losing record, he'll hire a winner
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I'm not convinced of this and I won't be until the leading candidate is an actual current coach who didn't also turn us down 3 and 4 years ago.
 
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VolBeef88 said:
He has got to fire Dooley. Not only for the good of the programs financial situation with loss of ticket sales and donations we will face. But can you imagine how ugly it's going to be in the off season and then after we go get our teeth kicked in (yet again by a good team) by Oregon? The fan outcry we see now will pale in comparrison.
Hart really has no choice and he has already made it, just hasn't announced it.
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Oregon is going to hang 70 on us, even if we hire Saban as a coach.
 
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FiremedicVOL127 said:
Won't happen this Defense will be a complete 360 from this year...Its the 1st year in a new scheme having another year to prep it plus the guys that BIG Sal is recruiting already know the 3-4. I really can't wait til next year. I said it at the begining of this year that it would be tough for the D but next year IS the year it all comes together.... CDD has done great things at UT! Some things he has done don't have records to show! I am a VOL fan and i support this COACH Staff and teamtil the end. CDD wants to be here no matter the mess it was in he saw the challenge and accepted true VFL....with alot more class than half the so called fans on here.
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I too believe it will be a complete 360 (we will be facing the same direction we are right now).
 
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volstuff37641 said:
oh boy,another insider on the ouside looking in.:eek:lol:
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I am just as disgruntled with the season as any fan. But realistically, we have to play the season out. Then we can be more objective with our opinions. I think 8-5 will make everyone more willing to give the present coach another year especially with a bowl win. However, one more loss will force action by Hart. IMO
 
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"Just one more loss then he is fired".

"Just 2 more loses, then fire him".

"If he does not beat a ranked team, fire him".

"If he does not beat UF/UGA/Bama/USCe he has to go".

Just how many times are the excuses going to be drawn out? Next we will hear IF he beats UK that will be sweet revenge and deserves an extension and raise. GTFO!!

Fire the scrub today and let's move on.
 
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sonofUT62 said:
He was previously Wisconsins DC. He has had success everywhere he's gone including a 1-AA championship as a coordinator. I would have to go back and look but I'm pretty sure he won the conference (MAC?) last year in his first year as the head coach. He's no Dooley. Ole Miss hasn't won 10 games since Cut left, and Duke is bowl eligible for the first time in EIGHTEEN years. Sounds pretty good to me. I think it's pretty ridiculous to judge Cut's coaching ability against a FSU team that has literally twice the talent he does.
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You made some very good points my friend.

HOW could anyone judge a coaching staff when their player roster loses to teams with TWICE as many future NFL players on the roster?????

Now THINK.....ALL of the top SEC teams have 50 to 60 future NFL players on their rosters but our UT Vols have maybe 18 to 20 future NFL players so HOW can you judge CDD and our coaching staff when we have LESS than half of the same player talent????

Thanks for making my point for me my friend and using Duke and Cut against FloriDUHHHH State as a perfect example.

Still we WERE competitive except aganist Bama and if our Defense had stopped 3 to 5 big scoring plays per game we would be a 1 loss team, ranked in the top 10 easily and would be the SEC East Champions.

VFL...GBO!!!
 
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SyfiC said:
Oregon is going to hang 70 on us, even if we hire Saban as a coach.
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It's called stopping the bleeding. But maybe you're right, Saban couldn't do any better than Dooley... My Goodness how is life in your make believe world?
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What's interesting is Hart has not given the "vote of confidence" speech to the media at this point. Which tells me he is waiting to see how the rest of the schedule plays out. The team goes undefeated, gets to a Bowl and win Dooley will likely return. Especially if this boost the recruiting which is somewhat dismal at this point.
 
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SlyStone said:
What's interesting is Hart has not given the "vote of confidence" speech to the media at this point. Which tells me he is waiting to see how the rest of the schedule plays out. The team goes undefeated, gets to a Bowl and win Dooley will likely return. Especially if this boost the recruiting which is somewhat dismal at this point.
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Or...

He is not saying anything to/about Dooley as there is nothing to say. He is working in the background to secure our next head coach. You can't come out and support a man your about to fire. THAT would be a little strange.
 
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I understand the sympathy for Dooley. He's a good guy and you like to see good guys succeed. Conversely, you don't see that outpouring in the real world. If you're an engineer and you can't deliver a good design to your customer, they will find someone else who can. Nobody thinks that is irrational at all. The football team is very much a product and every one of us are very much customers. Some spend more than others but we are all customers to a degree. We need to find someone who can deliver an acceptable product. Tht being said, if we win out I'm fine with keeping Dooley another year, but as the customer, I want to see him make every effort to improve. For example, finding a coordinator who can put a decent defense on the field. If he's lucky enough to escape this year, he has to hold someone accountable. Ala Fulmer throwing sanders under the bus. It is sad to see someone lose their job whether it is Dooley or Sal, but good lord it happens to ordinary people every day. It boils down to making business decisions and that is where an athletic director proves his worth.
 
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I really hope CDD is still coach here 10 years from now. Its so much fun to watch VolBeef whine like a little baby.
 
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Titan&Volfan4life said:
You made some very good points my friend.

HOW could anyone judge a coaching staff when their player roster loses to teams with TWICE as many future NFL players on the roster?????

Now THINK.....ALL of the top SEC teams have 50 to 60 future NFL players on their rosters but our UT Vols have maybe 18 to 20 future NFL players so HOW can you judge CDD and our coaching staff when we have LESS than half of the same player talent????

Thanks for making my point for me my friend and using Duke and Cut against FloriDUHHHH State as a perfect example.

Still we WERE competitive except aganist Bama and if our Defense had stopped 3 to 5 big scoring plays per game we would be a 1 loss team, ranked in the top 10 easily and would be the SEC East Champions.

VFL...GBO!!!
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Yeah, we are competitive except in our division. Who is responsible for recruiting these future NFL players? So why is it then within three years all these other teams have over twice as many NFL prospects? Oh it must be the fans. Oh, the coaches just need more time. Like penn state needed more time to be competitive after that mess. How long did it take Saban?
Now, here is a way to judge Dooley. 0-5 in SEC for the third straight year. A feat only Vandy has matched. 0-15 against ranked opponents with a loss to Ky. So, how much more time do presume he needs to recruit talent when he has not developed the talent that is here!
 
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