Fire dooley today!

#76
#76
PKT_VOL said:
You asserting we have any sort of talent on defense?

Look, I am excusing the defensive coaching staff. However, at some point, you guys have to realize that we really have no talent on the side of the ball.

Terrible players (comparatively to the top teams in the SEC) will make coaches appear worse than they really are.
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The secondary could definitely be shored up a bit, but I think they could play alot better under a better staff. As far as the d-line and linebackers are concerned, there is definitely talent there. Were Johnson, Maggit, and Couch not highly sought after prospects? Smith? McCullers?

Blaming talent only goes so far. It's definitely not the reason we are 0-5 in SEC play this year and it's definitely not the reason we haven't beaten a ranked team in 3 years.
 
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#78
#78
Burger said:
We have a very talented offense, and a semitalented defense. Weve only been out talented against bama. We can't tackle, we miss open passes, drop balls, and leave guys open. That's not a talent issue at all. It's all coaching here.
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Tackling isn't a talent issues? They have been taught how to tackle since they are little league.

Missing open passes by your "NFL-caliber" QB is on the coaches? Common. Hold your QB accountable.

Dropped passes by "NFL-caliber" WR's is on the coaches? They have been taught how to catch since they were in little league. Hold them responsible.

A lot of guys are open on defense because we are so damn slow. Pure talent problem.

I am not saying that the coaching has been perfect, but lets be fair. Our coaching staff has had them in position to make plays in win every ball game except Bama. Our players just haven't made plays. Hold your players accountable.
 
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Pepe_Silvia said:
Oh, so coaches are responsible for recruiting but not responsible for the talent we have.

That's rational.
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Given the situation they were in, the situation the program was truly in, do you think they did a bad job? I don't. Everything is relative.
 
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PKT_VOL said:
You're not even thinking rationally now.

They have done a decent job recruiting given the situation we are in. We just are not at the level to play with the big boys yet on defense.
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please give us an example of rational thought.

explain how this staff has somehow miraculously recruited enough O talent to be competitive, but at the same time has (your perception) failed abysmally at recruiting D talent?

i will hang up and listen ...
 
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PKT_VOL said:
You asserting we have any sort of talent on defense?

Look, I am excusing the defensive coaching staff. However, at some point, you guys have to realize that we really have no talent on the side of the ball.

Terrible players (comparatively to the top teams in the SEC) will make coaches appear worse than they really are.
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We had half the talent and depth the previous 2 years. The defense is going backwards.
 
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PKT_VOL said:
Given the situation they were in, the situation the program was truly in, do you think they did a bad job? I don't. Everything is relative.
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Recruiting has been respectable.

Every other aspect of running the program has been pretty much an embarrassment under Dooley's watch.
 
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tm3 said:
please give us an example of rational thought.

explain how this staff has somehow miraculously recruited enough O talent to be competitive, but at the same time has (your perception) failed abysmally at recruiting D talent?

i will hang up and listen ...
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How do you hang up and listen.. Without a call in radio show?
 
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duckman398686 said:
The secondary could definitely be shored up a bit, but I think they could play alot better under a better staff. As far as the d-line and linebackers are concerned, there is definitely talent there. Were Johnson, Maggit, and Couch not highly sought after prospects? Smith? McCullers?

Blaming talent only goes so far. It's definitely not the reason we are 0-5 in SEC play this year and it's definitely not the reason we haven't beaten a ranked team in 3 years.
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Our secondary is god-awful.

Your linebacker are shady. They are god-awful in pass protection. Decent in run support. Lathers has been absolutely embarrassing at times.

Our D-Line has been alright considering everything. They are not UF, USC, UGA, or Bama talented but they have played well considering their talent.

I just find it amazing that everyone is out for blood with the coaches but leave our players unscathed. Throw in a lot of bad luck on top of that, you have a receipt for a bad record. I will say, I really do think people underestimate just how bad the UT program was when Dooley took over.

At the end of the day, I am not a huge Dooley guy. I just like to be fair to the man.
 
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finn said:
I agree that, even with winning out, CDD's days are probably numbered. At the same time, I have a hard time agreeing with every idiot that thinks the only thing between UT and Gruden is having CDD on the payroll. Even if we have a homerun replacement lined up, how likely is it that he's ready to show up for work on Monday. Not directed at you but a general statement for all the HR geniuses out there that know exactly how to handle UT's coaching search.
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Some people are emotional and want Dooley out the door now. Doesn't make them 'idiots.' At least they still have enough passion to want to try something different.

I don't think there's anybody worthy enough on the staff to take over on an interim basis, so they may as well stay the course thse last few games. Just so long as the back channel work for a successor is in high gear.
 
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duckman398686 said:
Recruiting has been respectable.

Every other aspect of running the program has been pretty much an embarrassment under Dooley's watch.
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Being in posiiton to win 3 out of the 4 games we lost, against clearly superior teams, is embarrassing? I would agree; it is embarrassing that our players could have won if they made the simple plays despite being an inferior team. Them being in position is credit to the coaches in my mind.

Our offensive is spectacularly better.

Special teams is better (punts, KO return). I don't hold Palardy's incompetence against Dooley.

The defense speaks for itself. A lot of factors at work there.
 
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PKT_VOL said:
Our secondary is god-awful.

Your linebacker are shady. They are god-awful in pass protection. Decent in run support. Lathers has been absolutely embarrassing at times.

Our D-Line has been alright considering everything. They are not UF, USC, UGA, or Bama talented but they have played well considering their talent.

I just find it amazing that everyone is out for blood with the coaches but leave our players unscathed. Throw in a lot of bad luck on top of that, you have a receipt for a bad record. I will say, I really do think people underestimate just how bad the UT program was when Dooley took over.

At the end of the day, I am not a huge Dooley guy. I just like to be fair to the man.
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I wanted to be fair too, but you have to call a spade a spade at some point.

We don't have upper tier SEC talent at every single position, but we have enough to avoid alot of the shortcomings that have happened in the Derek Dooley era.
 
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BeecherVol said:
There is no reason this D should be giving up 500 yrds and 40 points everytime they take the field.
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This all damn day.

Switching to a 3-4 is no excuse to be as bad as we are. It's painful to watch. This defense isn't just being laughed at around the sec but nationally.
 
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PKT_VOL said:
Our secondary is god-awful.

Your linebacker are shady. They are god-awful in pass protection. Decent in run support. Lathers has been absolutely embarrassing at times.

Our D-Line has been alright considering everything. They are not UF, USC, UGA, or Bama talented but they have played well considering their talent.

I just find it amazing that everyone is out for blood with the coaches but leave our players unscathed. Throw in a lot of bad luck on top of that, you have a receipt for a bad record. I will say, I really do think people underestimate just how bad the UT program was when Dooley took over.

At the end of the day, I am not a huge Dooley guy. I just like to be fair to the man.
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So Dooley is unlucky. Let's give him another year or two and see what happens if/when the breaks go his way.

Helluva plan. 0-15 to ranked teams...even after a couple of top 15 recruting classes...let's be fair to the man you say?
 
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#97
I am trying to give Hart a chance, but how in the Hell he let Dooley comeback after the KY loss is beyond any common sense.
 
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duckman398686 said:
I wanted to be fair too, but you have to call a spade a spade at some point.

We don't have upper tier SEC talent at every single position, but we have enough to avoid alot of the shortcomings that have happened in the Derek Dooley era.
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Somewhat agree.

I dunno, I look this completely different than most.

Most on here have come to think that coaches play each other in a chess game and the players are just their pawns. Thus, anything they do, good or bad, is on the coaches.

I look at from the perspective that players play the game. Coaches merely guide our players. I think it is clear to everyone that our players are inferior to UF, UGA, USC, and Bama. Despite that, we have been in position to win three of those games. We have had dropped passes, miss reads, and miss throws by our NFL-caliber players. We have been in position numerous times on defense and did not make tackles; a lot btw by our fifth year LB. I put that on the players.

I guess I just view the game of football differently than most. I put more stock in the players, and less stock in the coaches. Kinda like politics, the POTUS tends to get way too much credit and way too much blame for the economy while he is in office.
 
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Evol said:
He's not going to Arkansas. And I highly, highly doubt he would go to Texas. He's an NFL coach. Hopefully he comes here for personal reasons, but he's definitely not going to Arkansas over the NFL.
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He is not going to coach anywhere! he will remain with ESPN.
 
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