START WORLEY AGAINST USCe..

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#101
I'm for giving Worley a chance on a few series, what could it hurt? As far as Bray goes he does have a ton of ability, but so did Ryan Leaf
 
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Someone gather up the stats from the spring game - I think Worley had a very good game. He is in all liklihood comparable to TB. No one has the arm strenth of Bray - but there is a lot more to playing qb than arm strenth. Bray has suffered from a few drops from his top receivers. Against Florida - it appeared that he his receivers didn't get any seperation - may have been the same against Alabama - although he will at times "lock in" and of course finally --- there is a reason he isn't trusted to check off plays at the line of scrimmage.
Worley will carry out better play fakes - might make better decisions - will likely throw just as many interceptions. Worley won't throw off of his back foot as much - will be sacked more often.

I think if Bray is struggling - give Worley a shot. If your starting pitcher is struggling bring in someone out of the bull pen.
 
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Bray has played poorly this year. Look at his stats. I keep wondering if he isn't on the happy grass the last three games. Would account for the attitude.
 
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As I see it, the problem is that Worley is being coached by the same coaches that coach Bray. I wouldn't expect any miracles.
 
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volnSC said:
Why don't you expound on this thought.
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I'll expound for you, since you appear to be one of the people I'm talking about.

In this thread, you've got people saying Bray has earned nothing but clipboard-holding duty, a quote along the lines of "I can see how people might think Bray is shaving points", and implying Worley would be a better quarterback because of his high school accolades.

Again, I will bring up what I've said before- Worley looked much worse than Bray last season when Worley played.

Let's break this down a bit, according to the general idea I'm seeing on the board:

1. Bray is more talented than Worley, he's just a headcase
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2. The coaches suck, are idiots, etc.

If the coaches are so terrible, what makes anyone think they can take a guy with less talent and make him better than the starter with more talent? Worley would, at best, give a quick burst of enthusiasm to the offense for a series or two. Once things settled down, he'd get reamed much worse than Bray. There is a reason he isn't the starter, despite what you or anyone else thinks about the coaches.
 
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Well we're not throwing deep balls that are being caught anyway.. Might as well see what he's got.. Smarter decisions would have won us a couple of games earlier in the year.. If he just makes smart decisions Bray won't see the field again this year.. Bray better remove his head from his azz pretty quick, or he'll be a spectator the rest of the year..
 
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Cartervol said:
Well we're not throwing deep balls that are being caught anyway.. Might as well see what he's got.. Smarter decisions would have won us a couple of games earlier in the year.. If he just makes smart decisions Bray won't see the field again this year.. Bray better remove his head from his azz pretty quick, or he'll be a spectator the rest of the year..
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This literally will not happen.
 
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Cartervol said:
Why? We're not getting nothing out of Bray except picks and bad decisions.. He's cost us a couple of games by himself.. He's killing the team with bonehead decisions..
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Yet a guy who hasn't shown any ability to be better that's being coached by what looks to be the worst Tennessee coaching staff in recent memory is the answer?
 
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rockytop9808 said:
Yet a guy who hasn't shown any ability to be better that's being coached by what looks to be the worst Tennessee coaching staff in recent memory is the answer?
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All he has to do is hit his checkdowns... Bray doesn't know what that is.. I say Worley has a better head on his shoulders... That's about all Tennessee needs right now.. Someone who won't piss away the game...
 
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Dooley should have insisted Chaney be fired before he took the job. Hired an OC for a dual threat system. Bray was wrong for the state of the program. He never should have come to Tennessee. Just bad timing. You pay for what you get.
 
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Cartervol said:
All he has to do is hit his checkdowns... Bray doesn't know what that is.. I say Worley has a better head on his shoulders... That's about all Tennessee needs right now.. Someone who won't piss away the game...
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And where exactly have you seen this? Are you in daily practices? Do you sit in on coaches meetings? Where is this information coming from?
 
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Cartervol said:
Bray has proved he's a half wit.. I'm taking the odds Worley isn't...
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From his limited exposure to major college football in which he was mediocre at best? You can't just assume things.

I'm still wondering why you think the coaches that have aided in the wreckage of one highly-touted quarterback recruit somehow managed to keep the other one in better condition.
 
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rockytop9808 said:
I'll expound for you, since you appear to be one of the people I'm talking about.

In this thread, you've got people saying Bray has earned nothing but clipboard-holding duty, a quote along the lines of "I can see how people might think Bray is shaving points", and implying Worley would be a better quarterback because of his high school accolades.

Again, I will bring up what I've said before- Worley looked much worse than Bray last season when Worley played.

Let's break this down a bit, according to the general idea I'm seeing on the board:

1. Bray is more talented than Worley, he's just a headcase
and
2. The coaches suck, are idiots, etc.

If the coaches are so terrible, what makes anyone think they can take a guy with less talent and make him better than the starter with more talent? Worley would, at best, give a quick burst of enthusiasm to the offense for a series or two. Once things settled down, he'd get reamed much worse than Bray. There is a reason he isn't the starter, despite what you or anyone else thinks about the coaches.
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Ok you do realize that Worley was a true freshman when he was pressed into action. He played against 3 of the best teams in the country. He was killed by Bama, which we got killed the previous year, but they went on to win the national title. Then it was USC and we lost in a semi close game in which Da'Rick dropped a td in the end zone. Then we when to Arky and got a drubbing but that was a BCS team as well. So to say he looked bad last year is a matter of opinion. He may have put up big stats against one of the lesser programs.

To your point about the coaching staff not having him prepared, maybe he listens. We don't have any idea if Tyler takes to heart anything the staff says. What if Worley has listened and taken this past year to get better and learn? You don't want to give him one chance to show what he can do? Considering how the season has gone do we really have anything to lose?
 
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volnSC said:
Ok you do realize that Worley was a true freshman when he was pressed into action. He played against 3 of the best teams in the country. He was killed by Bama, which we got killed the previous year, but they went on to win the national title. Then it was USC and we lost in a semi close game in which Da'Rick dropped a td in the end zone. Then we when to Arky and got a drubbing but that was a BCS team as well. So to say he looked bad last year is a matter of opinion. He may have put up big stats against one of the lesser programs.

To your point about the coaching staff not having him prepared, maybe he listens. We don't have any idea if Tyler takes to heart anything the staff says. What if Worley has listened and taken this past year to get better and learn? You don't want to give him one chance to show what he can do? Considering how the season has gone do we really have anything to lose?
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I'll take a chance, however slim, of an 8-4 regular season over essentially taking the risk of playing a completely inexperienced quarterback 100 times out of 100, especially when the current starter has demonstrated that he can handle the puny opponents most of the time.
 
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rockytop9808 said:
From his limited exposure to major college football in which he was mediocre at best? You can't just assume things.

I'm still wondering why you think the coaches that have aided in the wreckage of one highly-touted quarterback recruit somehow managed to keep the other one in better condition.
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These coaches suck anyway.. I don't think Bray returns next year.. If he gets 3rd or 4th round grade he's gone.. They need to be getting their next guy ready.. If it isn't Worley then Peterman.. Bray has had his time and it hasn't worked out.. Time to turn the page..
 
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Cartervol said:
These coaches suck anyway.. I don't think Bray returns next year.. If he gets 3rd or 4th round grade he's gone.. They need to be getting their next guy ready.. If it isn't Worley then Peterman.. Bray has had his time and it hasn't worked out.. Time to turn the page..
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So eff the rest of the year, let's go ahead and risk throwing away a couple games, right?

The coaches suck, right. But Worley will be better than Bray under the same guys.
 
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R Cannon said:
The qb is the face of almost all teams like it or not. Bray may have been better on a more stable team that was't having to rebuild . You need a guy that is going to make some plays when the play that is called has not went as planed ,not just throw it in the stands as the second read.
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Yet Simms was flamed on here for holding the ball and getting sacks ....
 
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rockytop9808 said:
So eff the rest of the year, let's go ahead and risk throwing away a couple games, right?

The coaches suck, right. But Worley will be better than Bray under the same guys.
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This year is f'd anyway.. We've already lost all the games that matter. They're probably going to lose a couple more at least.. I'm not sure they make a bowl game... This team is pitiful... You got to get your next guy some game time...
 
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I'm not convinced Worley is ready at all. When I saw him play against Ga St he appeared to be zoning in on one receiver (Jacob Carter) and not going through his reads. Reminded me of Crompton. He also threw a quick pick. Hopefully I'm wrong, but if not he will get eaten alive by the SC defense.
 
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rockytop9808 said:
I'll expound for you, since you appear to be one of the people I'm talking about.

In this thread, you've got people saying Bray has earned nothing but clipboard-holding duty, a quote along the lines of "I can see how people might think Bray is shaving points", and implying Worley would be a better quarterback because of his high school accolades.

Again, I will bring up what I've said before- Worley looked much worse than Bray last season when Worley played.

Let's break this down a bit, according to the general idea I'm seeing on the board:

1. Bray is more talented than Worley, he's just a headcase
and
2. The coaches suck, are idiots, etc.

If the coaches are so terrible, what makes anyone think they can take a guy with less talent and make him better than the starter with more talent? Worley would, at best, give a quick burst of enthusiasm to the offense for a series or two. Once things settled down, he'd get reamed much worse than Bray. There is a reason he isn't the starter, despite what you or anyone else thinks about the coaches.
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You claim Worley has less talent as a quarterback. Talent covers much more than arm strength. For example, decision making and composure are two attributes that would be included in "talent". No one knows at this point if Worley will play better than Bray, but it is time to find out. We haven't seen enough of him this year. I don't think Worley will start the game, but I expect to see him play a substantial part of it.
 
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1967vol said:
You claim Worley has less talent as a quarterback. Talent covers much more than arm strength. For example, decision making and composure are two attributes that would be included in "talent". No one knows at this point if Worley will play better than Bray, but it is time to find out. We haven't seen enough of him this year. I don't think Worley will start the game, but I expect to see him play a substantial part of it.
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After a couple of Bray bonehead mistakes he'll be in there.. Then Bray will be watching from the sidelines the rest of the year...
 
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