Just some news that I thought I would pass on

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#151
If we lose to SC Dooley will still be the coach on Monday. Not sure who the poster on VQ is, but he's speculating just like everyone else. If Dooley runs the table in November and goes on to win a bowl game and finishes 8-5 he isn't getting fired. I'm not convinced he will ever win here, but it really doesn't matter what I think. Now if he gets hammered this weekend and loses one or two of those games in November, I don't see him surviving. If that were to happen and he doesn't get fired, his buyout and UT's financial issues will have saved his ass.
 
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VolsFanRJ said:
If we lose to SC Dooley will still be the coach on Monday. Not sure who the poster on VQ is, but he's speculating just like everyone else. If Dooley runs the table in November and goes on to win a bowl game and finishes 8-5 he isn't getting fired. I'm not convinced he will ever win here, but it really doesn't matter what I think. Now if he gets hammered this weekend and loses one or two of those games in November, I don't see him surviving. If that were to happen and he doesn't get fired, his buyout and UT's financial issues will have saved his ass.
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This, I am willing to say that 75% of the posters on here have no idea the size of a financial hole UT is in right now. They do not have enough reserves to simply buy him and his staff out right now. A BIG time donor will have to come in and do a bail out.
 
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Dooley is causing dissension and division over there from what I've heard. If that's true, it can only get worse the longer Dooley stays. I say fire him asap otherwise you run the risk of having an embarassing public blow up between players/coaches/AD etc.
 
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CDD will not be fired until he has someone ready to take over. Don't won't to go through rejections. Make it clean as transaction as possible.IMO
 
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SteveninTenn said:
I've heard some big donors feel compelled to help pay off Dooley to put an end to this failure.
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I have heard this as well, but I also know that they can feel compelled all they want. I will believe it when they sign the check over. Money talks and we all know what walks, right now I do not see them handing over any money.
 
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I want to address a few items as it pertains to this discussion and what we really know (and by "we" I mean average fans who do not have an ear inside the AD):

1. First, the money angle. Plenty of credible commentators with actual scources in the AD have said that money will not be the driving factor in the decision. Email Doug Matthews through 104.5 the Zone if you need further clarification on this point.

2. Coaching performance. Maybe Dooley gets a year-end evaluation, maybe the die is already cast and the #1 target for replacing Dooley has an offer in principle on the table, or maybe there's some middle ground situation afoot where Dooley is coaching for his job on a week-to-week basis? There's only a handful of people who actually know what's what on this end although we all know that in the past Hart said there would be an end of season evaluation although there have been some unpleasant events to occur since that statement was made.

3. Media noise. As of now, we are in uncharted waters. With Fulmer, very few of the media (particularly the Knoxville media) would even entertain speculation as to whether or not Fulmer was in danger of losing his job until well into the '08 season when it was pretty much obvious. The way the media turned on Fulmer was a complete tip off that something had changed and he was in trouble. The media's way past that point with Dooley. Maybe the local media is piling on Dooley because their sources say Dooley is a dead man walking or maybe they're emboldened because Dooley's not a coaching legend with an iron grip on all but the most fringe elements of the local media.

Conclusion, money is not the ultimate factor. Otherwise, we don't really know jack for certain.
 
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volmanic said:
I am also a poster on VQ.COM and there is a very reliable poster over there that when he mentions something, he is normally correct. He stated that if Dooley loses to SC Haslam has agreed to pay Dooley's buyout and the first years salary to our new head coach. If they lose to SC Dooley will be fired on Sunday or Monday. Take it all as you wish. :hi:
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In that case he better start packing now..
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1967vol said:
Anyone who thinks Dooley will be fired because of a loss to SC is delirious.
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Dooley will not be fired b/c of any particular loss to any particular team in any particular season, nor will any particular win over any particular team save his job. Any AD who made decisions like that would be a moron and dangerous to his department and university, and would be better equipped to run a charity digging water wells in Africa than a major athletic department.

BigOrange15 said:
Uh...no. We wouldn't have.
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Correct, we wouldn't have gotten an A+ coach at that time b/c it was late January. What should have happened, and this is not good but the best option considering the circumstances, is to use an interim coach for the upcoming season with the intent of hiring an A+ coach at the end of that season when great candidates are available. I've started another thread on this site and another one that includes 1) a list of the schools that used interims in 2010, and 2) a list of the coaches that changed jobs at the end of that season as well. Hard not to see that in retrospect we would've been better off to go that route.

Only an idiot would jump the gun and hire a minor level coach with a losing record and give him millions of dollars on short notice just b/c he was willing to walk out on his school at the last minute (as we were, at that moment, criticizing Kiffin for doing to us). Any AD who makes decisions like that would be better equipped to run...ahhh nevermind already said that.

volgrad500 said:
I honestly don't see the upside of doing this during the season. Why not let the team finish the season, then make a change if we feel it best.
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Normally that is the best course of action, but we are not at "normal" now. There are extenuating circumstances that make this a last-resort scenario. The whole program and fanbase are so sharply divided, the team is in KY-like turmoil (again), Coach Dooley has lost the program/team and it's spiraling out of control now quickly. This program needs extraordinary intervention now, so this situation seems to justify going ahead and doing it now to stop the bleeding and let everybody breathe.

tmodaniel said:
This, I am willing to say that 75% of the posters on here have no idea the size of a financial hole UT is in right now. They do not have enough reserves to simply buy him and his staff out right now. A BIG time donor will have to come in and do a bail out.
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All the more reason why they HAVE to make a change. The AD is bleeding money now, and will continue to do so until something is done to turn things around. Buyouts are expensive, and no doubt there is a price to be paid for the ineptness of Mike Hamilton in handing out sweetheart deals that were one-sided in favor of (insert Jimmy Sexton client here) and did not protect the university. Any AD who gave out contracts like that would be better...oops there I go again.

The university simply can NOT afford to keep losing all those seats and all that dadgum popcorn money any longer. Keeping this divisive coach is costing more than cutting him loose, by far.

Some people assume that buyout money has to be paid immediately upon termination, and that their would be no return on investment with the new coach if the right hire is made. In this case UT can't afford to NOT make a change, even if it's to relieve Dooley after the SC game and appoint an interim to finish out the season.
 
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#164
Dooley is going to get fired because of his game management period. Play calling on the offense and keeping the OC in check an along with bray throwing the ball way down field every other play has destroyed the season son far. How many times have we seen 3 rd and short and flip there goes a pass down the field.
Defense I don't know if its a lack of talent, play callings, scheme or no players making plays but there is a problem there.
All this and the way the seasonS has gone has lead me to believe we need a new face at the head man.
 
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brianlsanders said:
It allows you to get out in front of the other teams that will be looking for coaches.
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There's nothing to prevent them from looking around before they actually fire him. Firing a coach mid-season just makes you look impatient and unreasonable, especially with how front-loaded our schedule is.
 
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FLVOL_79 said:
Can UT win and still fire Dooley? That would be the preferred scenario.
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Sure they could. The best way for this to play out IMO is win at least the next 4 games and name a new HC ASAP. New HC is able to start recruiting and see if he can improve our bottom level SEC class.
 
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Col_Cathcart said:
There's nothing to prevent them from looking around before they actually fire him. Firing a coach mid-season just makes you look impatient and unreasonable, especially with how front-loaded our schedule is.
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Agreed. Not only what you posted but I also believe that Dooley took over our program in good faith, doused the inferno, and if he is let go, us fans and the school should be grateful to what Coach Dooley has done and let him go with some class. Sometimes money isn't everything.
 
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volmanic said:
I am also a poster on VQ.COM and there is a very reliable poster over there that when he mentions something, he is normally correct. He stated that if Dooley loses to SC Haslam has agreed to pay Dooley's buyout and the first years salary to our new head coach. If they lose to SC Dooley will be fired on Sunday or Monday. Take it all as you wish. :hi:
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I have a feeling the Vols will win Sat :crazy:
 
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#174
No way this is true. firing mid-season just wont happen. I call BS on this. I do see him getting let go at end of season though.

BTW: for all of you who want Dooley fired mid-season, who do you want as head coach rest of season? Chaney, Sunseri? Haslam? Fulmer? Maybe the team can coach themselves like Bill Murray did in Stripes
 
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VolFanNC09 said:
No way this is true. firing mid-season just wont happen. I call BS on this. I do see him getting let go at end of season though.

BTW: for all of you who want Dooley fired mid-season, who do you want as head coach rest of season? Chaney, Sunseri? Haslam? Fulmer? Maybe the team can coach themselves like Bill Murray did in Stripes
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That's a solid question, because as much crap as CDD gets for being a bad coach, the biggest black eyes on his record here are his two coordinators. Neither of those guys is qualified to be the HC even on an interim basis.
 
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