"This is not a family"

#77
#77
AlaskaVol said:
Don't remember CPR being accused of that by anyone. He was accused of being a players coach and not being angry enough or loquacious enough.
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I don't believe i am saying this because I want A new coach, but Dooley may be be trying to motivate him when nothing else has worked. He is telling the truth. Hunter has all week to decide if he is going to take the criticism to heart and focus on the game. Maybe Dooley has been worrying too much about hurting someone's feelings.
 
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#78
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BeecherVol said:
I don't think it changes whether or not you can or can't. With Spurrier or Saban it is received different from all angles.

IMO. If your calling them out in the media while not calling them out behind close doors your making excuses and shifting the talk away from you (the HC)

That said, I have no personal idea how Dooley has handled Hunter, Bray or DR when he was here or anyone else, past what some have speculated.
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I fully believe anything Dooley says, the players have already been told. The part where Dooley says "in my opinion, and he knows that" leads me to believe this has been discussed a few times between the two.

Hunter has had an off year, hope this motivates him to produce. Cause a few more games of dropped balls is going to hurt his stock, if it hasn't already.
 
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#79
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Vols4life said:
How is he throwing him under the bus he is just telling it like it is...1st round draft picks dont have alligator arms or drop passes
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Dooley may have said it to motivate Justin. He called out Bray too. Those two are slacking, they have no competition behind them.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
Ah, Dooley throwing players under the bus. That's something we haven't seen before.
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how is stating a fact that is obvious throwing some one under the bus ...

"coach them up" they all say... "bench them to show them you mean business" they all say ...

and when he does its "he's throwing them under the bus"
 
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#83
#83
Dooley when doing an interview should just answer every question like this.

When asked about Bray:

It's my fault he's not playing well.

When asked about Hunter:

It's my fault he's not playing well.

When asked about X,Y,Z:

It's my fault.


Presser over, and then the fans are pissed he didn't challenge the players and instead coddled them and the media is pissed he just said the same thing over and over again.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
Questioning or belittling your players skills in front of cameras is being a chickenshat. It doesn't matter how they play, because DD is the one ultimately responsible for having them ready to play. Dooley needs to suck it up and take some responsibility, and that's something he's tried as hard as he knows how to avoid.
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If the player is living up to his potential because he doesn't like being pressed and doesn't like getting bumped what's the problem? Justin wants it easy and you can't have it that way in the SEC. He's focused more on the attention that CP's getting than catching the ball and fighting. It's lack of maturity. Him and Bray both.
 
#85
#85
dooley aint exactly coaching like a "1st rounder" either
no point in doing this to JH
many ppl had the same attitude with Meach after his ACL then he gotta new coach then was a 1st round draft pick.
Amazing what a motivated coach can do
 
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#86
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SlipKidVol said:
how is stating a fact that is obvious throwing some one under the bus ...

"coach them up" they all say... "bench them to show them you mean business" they all say ...

and when he does its "he's throwing them under the bus"
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It doesn't matter who has played like what, you don't call our your players, or criticize their development in front of the media. Again, if stating fact is what we are getting at here, what's to stop his players from telling him he don't know what he's doing, or telling him that his development is where it needs to be?? That's fact, right??
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
I don't think he should either, and I do think it's wrong. However, he's got hardware to say he knows what he's doing.
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Double standard.

You must not have a job, because if you called out your boss like you're saying JH should do to CDD because CDD called out JH, your ass would be on the streets.
 
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Orange Blazer said:
How did he do that exactly?
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Questioning his own development. According to the whole quote, he's saying that Hunter isn't doing what he needs to do to be a 1st round pick. So, instead of saying we will prepare him to be the best receiver he can be, he basically said Justin isn't playing with enough grit to get open. What good does that do?? It's just more excuses and finger pointing on DD's part to me.
 
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AlaskaVol said:
Don't remember CPR being accused of that by anyone. He was accused of being a players coach and not being angry enough or loquacious enough.
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I know people criticized him for it. In fact, he took alot of heat for the 2001 UGA game when he said that the kicker should not have squibbed the last kickoff that allowed UGA to get the ball with good field position.

I am telling you, post 2001, Fulmer caught heat for talking about his players not making plays. If you win alot, I guess no one cares.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
It doesn't matter who has played like what, you don't call our your players, or criticize their development in front of the media. Again, if stating fact is what we are getting at here, what's to stop his players from telling him he don't know what he's doing, or telling him that his development is where it needs to be?? That's fact, right??
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I feel sorry for anyone who employs you and has to deal with you telling them that you don't think they're doing they're job well enough as your employer.

I know it's just a scenario, but it's the same situation.
 
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#91
So a family only provides positive affirmations and never any constructive criticism? Come on now, that would be a pretty poor family, with a bunch of spoiled children if that were the case.
 
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#92
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
Questioning his own development. According to the whole quote, he's saying that Hunter isn't doing what he needs to do to be a 1st round pick. So, instead of saying we will prepare him to be the best receiver he can be, he basically said Justin isn't playing with enough grit to get open. What good does that do?? It's just more excuses and finger pointing on DD's part to me.
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If a player is that insecure, the NFL is going to eat them alive.
 
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#93
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
Let me spell it out for you then....

1. I don't think coaches should ever call out players in front of the media, even if it's constructive criticism.

2. Dooley has done it since Day 1, and has no results backing him up to justify calling out anyone except himself.

3. Spurrier is Spurrier, and he's got multiple SEC Championship rings to say he knows what he's doing. If Dooley actually had some clout to go with calling out Hunter and his performance, then it would be received much differently.

As far as the whole "agenda" crap you and others spew, turn it sideways and stick it straight up your candy arses. I want UT to win, and I want Dooley to win, but he's not, and he's not done so in 3 years. Time to cut bait, and actually find someone who can win with the talent they are given.
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#1 see #3

#3 see #1

makes no sense just say you dont like dooley and be done with it
 
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Not to mention, Dooley followed that quote up by immediately talking about how "high of a character guy" Justin Hunter is. Sometimes you have to take the criticism with the praise. Especially when you're not performing up to standard. After all, Dooley is his boss.
 
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I go back to the Bear's time at Alabama. If the team was successful it was on the team. If the team was not successful it was on the Bear. Not a Alabama fan but that is the way the Bear handled it.:hi:
 
#96
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supersmo18 said:
Double standard.

You must not have a job, because if you called out your boss like you're saying JH should do to CDD because CDD called out JH, your ass would be on the streets.
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You didn't even get my point. Dooley is calling out his best player on the team, and yet he has nothing to back in up in doing so. No SEC Championships, no SECE titles, not even a win against a rival.

As far as the job thing goes, a good boss doesn't call out his employees in front of customers either, period.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
Let me spell it out for you then....

1. I don't think coaches should ever call out players in front of the media, even if it's constructive criticism.

2. Dooley has done it since Day 1, and has no results backing him up to justify calling out anyone except himself.

3. Spurrier is Spurrier, and he's got multiple SEC Championship rings to say he knows what he's doing. If Dooley actually had some clout to go with calling out Hunter and his performance, then it would be received much differently.

As far as the whole "agenda" crap you and others spew, turn it sideways and stick it straight up your candy arses. I want UT to win, and I want Dooley to win, but he's not, and he's not done so in 3 years. Time to cut bait, and actually find someone who can win with the talent they are given.
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So did you text Justin Hunter and ask him how he received it?
 
#99
#99
g8terh8ter_eric said:
I have no personal problem with Dooley. He is just the man for the job we need done to get us back to national prominence.
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I'm fairly certain no one is debating that here. What they are debating is that no matter what Dooley does, you will bash. It's one thing to hold that opinion, it's another thing saying that because he is not Spurrier means he cannot give an analysis of a player's performance when asked about it. He gave a pretty detailed and spot on analysis. Yet, you say he threw a player under the bus, which makes no sense when you look at the quote.
 
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#100
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
You didn't even get my point. Dooley is calling out his best player on the team, and yet he has nothing to back in up in doing so. No SEC Championships, no SECE titles, not even a win against a rival.

As far as the job thing goes, a good boss doesn't call out his employees in front of customers either, period.
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I did get your point, and you're bascially still saying the same thing. Do you not realize that you're pretty much the only one on this topic right now that holds the same opinion as you on this?
 
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