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HankHill said:
3 biggest plays that effected the outcome:

-Byron Moore dropping a INT that was gift wrapped
-Rivera not coming up to catch a kickoff
-Young getting stripped

I really have no idea how you can blame those on coaching.
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we lost this game because our coaches can't prepare our defense to be any stronger than tissue paper.
 
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GoBigOrangeVols said:
except those aren't the facts.

The facts are:

We are more talented than them (on paper) at every position save corner and our defense made Tyler Russell - an average SEC QB - look like an All-American
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Its fact that their secondary is worlds ahead of ours. just from a speed and athletic ability stand point.

and we do not have a true passrusher,

Impossible to be successful on D with that type of talent.

Thats a fact:salute:
 
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their Safeties are non-existent and they played 25 yards deep. they had no bearing in the run game or the short passing game.

but even if you say that, ok, thats 4 players out of 11 who had a distinct advantage.

coloring this as a "not bad guys" performance is ridiculous

You can keep your "striving for mediocrity" attitude
 
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HankHill said:
Nice reasoning.The football forum is that way,:jpshakehead:
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good one. :good!:

If you think losing is acceptable because we were on the road in a hostile environment against a ranked team then you have clearly don't spend any time in this forum.

Tennessee was by far the more talented team last night, except for one position.

What do you usually call it when the more talented team loses to the less talented team? I call it being out-coached, which is exactly what we were last night from kickoff to final whistle.
 
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It was bad for one half, same as the Georgia game. Silly mistakes by the players cost us this game. I'm really not that down on the coaches.
 
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I4Jay said:
their Safeties are non-existent and they played 25 yards deep. they had no bearing in the run game or the short passing game.

but even if you say that, ok, thats 4 players out of 11 who had a distinct advantage.

coloring this as a "not bad guys" performance is ridiculous

You can keep your "striving for mediocrity" attitude
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When they are distinctly better in 4 of 11.

and then the other 7 we are about the same, that makes it a big deal.

Our D is whats keeping us from winning 2 games vs UGA&Miss ST.

We cannot cover 1o1 in secondary and cannot tackle in secondary.

Have fun winning any big games with that problem.
 
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GoBigOrangeVols said:
good one. :good!:

If you think losing is acceptable because we were on the road in a hostile environment against a ranked team then you have clearly don't spend any time in this forum.

Tennessee was by far the more talented team last night, except for one position.

What do you usually call it when the more talented team loses to the less talented team? I call it being out-coached, which is exactly what we were last night from kickoff to final whistle.
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We have a chance to win the game on what couldve been the final drive and our 3rd string RB fumbles. We were in position to win. If we lose this game like the FL game then I will give you out coached. but its just not logical to say that we were Totally outcoached. maybe a at some aspects but not totally
 
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HankHill said:
When they are distinctly better in 4 of 11.

and then the other 7 we are about the same, that makes it a big deal.

Our D is whats keeping us from winning 2 games vs UGA&Miss ST.

We cannot cover 1o1 in secondary and cannot tackle in secondary.

Have fun winning any big games with that problem.
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Dooley doesn't like it when you talk about winning big games. He's still trying to get over the hump before he hits 0-25 against ranked opponents. It's alright though because his teams have tons of scars that he tells me are important. Water that bamboo Dooley.
 
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I love our team, love our players, but it's SO frustrating to see other coaches prepare their teams so much better than ours, make adjustments quicker, and exploit our weaknesses.
MSU had a great game plan out of the gate, and their players seemed so much more mentally prepared to execute and grab the win from us. They begged us to beat them with our run game, and we just couldn't do it. Bray had a pedestrian night and our top 2 rb's went down. I'm upset we didn't get CP, MR, or even BB involved in the game more.
Over the past few years, I've had a tough time watching UT get passed by USCe (still hard to wrap my mind around), but now we're getting passed by MSU! I'm afraid we're officially becoming bottom-dwellers, and that's just unacceptable to me.
 
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AlexHay13 said:
Dooley doesn't like it when you talk about winning big games. He's still trying to get over the hump before he hits 0-25 against ranked opponents. It's alright though because his teams have tons of scars that he tells me are important. Water that bamboo Dooley.
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Sigh.

Stuff like that is what makes the FF unbearable.

Criticism is fine. Snarky, entitled BS is just misery.
 
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ChiTownVol said:
I love our team, love our players, but it's SO frustrating to see other coaches prepare their teams so much better than ours, make adjustments quicker, and exploit our weaknesses.
MSU had a great game plan out of the gate, and their players seemed so much more mentally prepared to execute and grab the win from us. They begged us to beat them with our run game, and we just couldn't do it. Bray had a pedestrian night and our top 2 rb's went down. I'm upset we didn't get CP, MR, or even BB involved in the game more.
Over the past few years, I've had a tough time watching UT get passed by USCe (still hard to wrap my mind around), but now we're getting passed by MSU! I'm afraid we're officially becoming bottom-dwellers, and that's just unacceptable to me.
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GIFSoup
Let it out, roger
 
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HankHill said:
We have a chance to win the game on what couldve been the final drive and our 3rd string RB fumbles. We were in position to win. If we lose this game like the FL game then I will give you out coached. but its just not logical to say that we were Totally outcoached. maybe a at some aspects but not totally
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You are trying to blame the entire loss on one DY fumble, while conveniently forgetting what happened on Miss St's first five possessions. Those first five possessions coming after Tennessee's defense had 2 whole weeks to prepare for everything they were going to do. On those first five possessions, Miss St was successful because they simply outschemed Tennessee by using confusing pre-snap motion that put our players out of position and a step behind - NOT by pounding it over our defensive athletes with strength/athleticism/speed. This, by definition, is getting out coached.
 
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I refuse to watch John Pennington's fat hairy chin bounce off his tits this morning.

Who ever told that guy it was ok for him to give his opinion on football needs to be shot
 
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WallyBalls said:
Sigh.

Stuff like that is what makes the FF unbearable.

Criticism is fine. Snarky, entitled BS is just misery.
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I'm sorry....I'll clean it up for you pal;)

What I meant to say is that I'm more than happy that we hired a clown that has NEVER beaten a ranked opponent to coach the vols. Fear the pants!

Damn I did it again.

Sorry bro I gave that one legit effort.
 
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GoBigOrangeVols said:
You are trying to blame the entire loss on one DY fumble, while conveniently forgetting what happened on Miss St's first five possessions. Those first five possessions coming after Tennessee's defense had 2 whole weeks to prepare for everything they were going to do. On those first five possessions, Miss St was successful because they simply outschemed Tennessee by using confusing pre-snap motion that put our players out of position and a step behind - NOT by pounding it over our defensive athletes with strength/athleticism/speed. This, by definition, is getting out coached.
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The coaches and broadcasters even said that we were in position over and over again. but we were terrible at tackling.

and that fumble cost us the game. There is no other way to say it. We had a chance to win the game and we coughed up the football.

It cost us just like Bray's fumble against UGA.

I know we sucked on D, I agree with you.

but at the end of the day we had our chances in both games with the ball in our hands and we coughed it up.

so it say its totally on coaching is stupid.
 
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I4Jay said:
at this point, they have every right to.

same problems every week for 3 years. No one should be happy with the direction this program is and has been headed
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I'm happy with the direction of the program. Let me explain. There's no arguing that this roster is night and day to three years ago.

Add that there has never been as hard of a schedule in a 3 year span as Tennessee has had. There just hasn't been.

My issue is the rate at which we see the improvement on the field. It's too slow and it becomes very frustrating. I'm just as disappointed in the players than I am with the coaching staff. These players NEED to find what it takes for the scheme to click. They NEED to find a better method of focus because whatever they are using now, just isn't working. We are a handful of STUPID player mistakes away from being 5-1 or possible 6-0. This team needs to focus 60 minutes of a game. I agree with Dooley that this defense shows quarters of greatness and that's what makes it so "bizarre". Does the focus fall on the coaches too? Sure. That's where my disappointment in the coaching staff comes from.

Get rid of the stupid mistakes and this is a different team. The players realize it but they haven't gone out and changed it. Perhaps they just haven't found the remedy.

Also, no one on this team has gone through these situations. None of them have. Tyler Bray has sophomore experience and JH has less. We could still be 8-5 when it is all said and done. It'll be the hardest recruiting CDD has had to deal with but convince JH, CP and Bray to come back for one last Hoo-rah and we should be back in business. Hopefully.
JMO. :hi:
 
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Watched the CDD show again this morning. I was as disappointed as most were last night but there is no doubt that this team is better than the previous two teams under CDD.
We are 3-3 with 3 losses to good SEC teams that have a combined 1 loss. We have been in position to win all of those games and have just came up short each game. Much different than when we hardly competed at the SEC level the previous years. I want to see results and a wins just like most fans and there should be no excuses as to why we aren't getting them. However I don't think firing the head coach and cleaning the staff out is the answer yet. This team has 6 games left with a possible bowl game to be played and we can finish with 7 or 8 wins IMO obviously not the record that I thought we would have at the end of the year. I will support whoever is the coach of UT. I know some of you will disagree but again these are just my thoughts. Bash away.
 
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AlexHay13 said:
I'm sorry....I'll clean it up for you pal;)

What I meant to say is that I'm more than happy that we hired a clown that has NEVER beaten a ranked opponent to coach the vols. Fear the pants!

Damn I did it again.

Sorry bro I gave that one legit effort.
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Thanks for classing up the joint.
 
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UTVFL_4297 said:
Watched the CDD show again this morning. I was as disappointed as most were last night but there is no doubt that this team is better than the previous two teams under CDD.
We are 3-3 with 3 losses to good SEC teams that have a combined 1 loss. We have been in position to win all of those games and have just came up short each game. Much different than when we hardly competed at the SEC level the previous years. I want to see results and a wins just like most fans and there should be no excuses as to why we aren't getting them. However I don't think firing the head coach and cleaning the staff out is the answer yet. This team has 6 games left with a possible bowl game to be played and we can finish with 7 or 8 wins IMO obviously not the record that I thought we would have at the end of the year. I will support whoever is the coach of UT. I know some of you will disagree but again these are just my thoughts. Bash away.
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:good!:
 
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