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With the exception of maybe our kickers, these season's woes fall directly on the staff. Hell, its taken Chaney 2.5 years to figure out how to call a game. I get the lack of talent argument, and for the first two years, it was a reasonable one. There really is no excuse this year. The foundation is there.[/QUOTE]

Yes the foundation is here. And that's why were in these games late, but we don't have all of it. And that's why we are falling short
 
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volstopfan14 said:
Which team made dumb mistakes all throughout the 1st half? Which team played efficient and did not make critical mistakes? That should answer the question on which coaching staff did better.
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Is Dooley playing?

Honestly, how much of those mistakes can you honestly pin on Dooley?

Bray making bad throws and reads?
Rivera on kick recovery?
Young's fumble?
The countless missed tackles when they were in position?

I could go on. I guess that is the fundamental difference between myself and the rest of VN. I look at that and see players that have no business every competing at the top of the SEC. Others see talent there (possibly because they have potential) and blame those mistakes on the Dooley and company. I hold the players accountable to their mistakes.

Don't get me wrong, I am not acting as if the coaching staff is perfect or doesn't makes mistakes. I just believe in player accountability more than others on this site. I guess that is our true point of disagreement.
 
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KnoxVillain said:
Who's our next coach? This loss just sealed Dooley's coffin.
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Dooley will be graded on the entire season not just one or two games. It will be decided on if this season is an improvement from the previous seasons. I want to be clear in that I am no way attempting to minimize this loss. What happen against msu was not good and that is no secret. We should have won and needed to win. Ill say this season is not over but I feel we are in trouble. I desperately want this staff and team to succeed..the next 6 games will determine where we go. As vol fans we all must admit ultimately it comes down to wins and losses. I hope we turn it around and win majority(5-1?) of the last half of the season.
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HankHill said:
I agree. People can't fatham the fact the UT is not the best job in america. They think we can pull any coach in america from their job. If we fire dooley, we will have to take a chance on another "upcoming" coach. So is it really worth it? IMO no. So unless we lose to mizz, vn, and ky... I have to say keep DD
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This is a top 4 SEC job. Kiffin was considered a homerun hire just 3 years ago. I don't think its to far gone to say we couldn't make a similar calibre hire.
 
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PimpVol said:
How dumb is this? The receiver you are covering can not beat you inside and give the qb an easy target when you are in man coverage. Teague and Brewer strike again. Their pass plays worked because of bad, bad coverage by us. 45 & 34 can NOT cover down field and can not play the ball in the air. We just need better players. Staff's can't go out and play. If it is in you it is in you (like #33 & #84) and it can't be hidden. #11 may have checked out or either he is hurt. We are missing our only proven offensive weapon and it is showing. Another painful loss to live down. Big game coming up next week.
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If you read my posts, we seem to be on the same page.
 
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I've been a Dooley supporter for way too long. It's time for fresh blood. Our players played hard, they just were not put in the right positions at the right times to get it done.
 
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HankHill said:
How? I mean really at this point you are a good tackler or not. You cannot coach tackling at this level. That's like saying you can coach dropped passes.
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Amazing how the best defenses year in and year out are the same 5 teams over and over again, isn't it?

Either these teams continually hit the recruiting lottery every year, their coaching staff's can teach tackling, or their coaching staffs can properly recruit the right defensive players.

...you strike me as a lottery type guy.
 
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orangeblood79 said:
This is a top 4 SEC job. Kiffin was considered a homerun hire just 3 years ago. I don't think its to far gone to say we couldn't make a similar calibre hire.
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Kiffin was only considered a homerun hire but drunk vol fans. Every expert and anyone who had a clue was scratching their heads. LSU,FL,GA,bama and arguably auburn are all better. Just based on easier recruiting
 
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rjd970 said:
Amazing how the best defenses year in and year out are the same 5 teams over and over again, isn't it?

Either these teams continually hit the recruiting lottery every year, their coaching staff's can teach tackling, or their coaching staffs can properly recruit the right defensive players.

...you strike me as a lottery type guy.
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Alabama, lsu, fl, and usce have the top defenses. Try taking a look at their defensive recruits the past 4 years. You strike me as a guy who coaches little league football
 
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doubleh said:
I actually blame the kickoff blunder on coaching
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Hell yea!! That is all the proof of poor coaching on that kickoff right there. CP returned the previous kick for a td so everybody in the stadium & watching on TV knew they wouldn't kick to him again. Coaches should've had them expecting that pooch kick. No other way to spin that.
 
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PKT_VOL said:
Is Dooley playing?

Honestly, how much of those mistakes can you honestly pin on Dooley?

Bray making bad throws and reads?
Rivera on kick recovery?
Young's fumble?
The countless missed tackles when they were in position?

I could go on. I guess that is the fundamental difference between myself and the rest of VN. I look at that and see players that have no business every competing at the top of the SEC. Others see talent there (possibly because they have potential) and blame those mistakes on the Dooley and company. I hold the players accountable to their mistakes.

Don't get me wrong, I am not acting as if the coaching staff is perfect or doesn't makes mistakes. I just believe in player accountability more than others on this site. I guess that is our true point of disagreement.
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FWIW, my post was in response to someone talking about which coaching staff did a better job.

Mullen and his staff called an excellent game. They took advantage of our weaknesses and did not make mistakes.

I blame the kickoff on coaches. Conier should have prepared the players for that situation after CP scored. The formation of the field left the area between the front line and the returners wide open.

The other mistakes you listed, I agree, are on the players. Unfortunately, Neal and Lane went down and we had to use Devrin as the lead back. Nothing much anyone can do about that. The missed tackles were inexcusable. Bray could have played better. Not horrible, but could have been better.

It's just that the first half was filled with mental errors. Illegal formations, wasted timeouts, poor playcalling, poor adjustments. And that frustrates me because it seems easily avoidable and possibly cost us the game.

Overall, you can't blame it all on the coaches or all on the players. They both made critical errors. I belive that the players are accountable for this loss as much as anyone.
 
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HankHill said:
Kiffin was only considered a homerun hire but drunk vol fans. Every expert and anyone who had a clue was scratching their heads. LSU,FL,GA,bama and arguably auburn are all better. Just based on easier recruiting
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MONTE Kiffin was considered a homerun. LANE Kiffin was considered an up an comer.

And no one was really scratching their heads, at the time it was a good hire.
 
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volstopfan14 said:
Fumble - no. Nothing that can be done about the injuries to Neal and Lane.
Missed tackles - some
kickoff - totally. After CP scored you had to expect that the might try to squib/pooch kick it. Coiner should have (and for all I know, he did. I doubt it though.) stressed to the kickoff team that they had to field the ball. Also the formation we were in was questionable. Only 1 player covering over 20 yards of field. Very susceptible to a short kick.

And how about the 2 illegal formations? The wasted timeout? Going away from the running game in the 2nd quarter? Refusing to adjust to the quick passes to slot receivers out of 5 wide? Leaving Brewer/Teague in the game?
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Exactly
 
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LynxVol said:
This is why I can't listen to our fans. Out.
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I'm with you.

So reactionary and just no sense of reality.

Ok, you want to change? Great, give me a good, solid argument about how things will improve. Give me a example of a coach that can come in, get the team all on one page, bring in a quality class, get them to go through ANOTHER transition, etc, etc.

And please explain how yet another offense, another defense, another strength program will benefit this football program.

Make your case. I'm open to it. I just want to see a quality case made instead of pure emotion and a misplaced sense of entitlement. (FWIW, "how can it get any worse?" is a ridiculously pathetic argument.)
 
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HankHill said:
Alabama, lsu, fl, and usce have the top defenses. Try taking a look at their defensive recruits the past 4 years. You strike me as a guy who coaches little league football
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What are you talking about? How is that not a coaching issue?
 
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