Jon Gruden thread (merged)

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'Boro-vol said:
On this we are in complete agreement, which is why we need a serious upgrade in leadership for iur football program. The SEC passed UT by during the last 5-7 years of Fulmers tenure. We bungled the hire and failed to upgrade when we replaced him. We cant afford to do it again.
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GmanTN said:
From the time Al Davis was the owner he always had the final call as to who was drafted and very seldom did he ever consult with his coaches. Al was the boss and he did things the way he saw fit.
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The same thing has been said about the ownership at Tampa Bay. What is different?

Gruden is one of the few people in recent history to win at a high level at Oakland or Tampa Bay. Not that this should have any effect on your opinion.
 
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GmanTN said:
Last 3 years of Battle
1974 - 7-3-2/ 2-3-1 in the SEC
1975 - 7-5/ 3-3 in the SEC
1976 - 6-5/2-4 in the SEC


Not piling on here Gman, but you forgot Battles first year: He went 11-1 with a Sugar Bowl victory over Air Force. I respect your length of following the Vols. I have been a fan since '65, and had season tickets during the Battle years and the drive back to Nashville after a disappointing loss was hard to take. I too have history and thought I was the only one till I got on Volnation lol.
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'Boro-vol said:
The same thing has been said about the ownership at Tampa Bay. What is different?

Gruden is one of the few people in recent history to win at a high level at Oakland or Tampa Bay. Not that this should have any effect on your opinion.
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Winning the SB really isnt the issue. Its the downward spiral he took the Bucs after it. That is where my issue is with him. Eventually he has to coach and his ending resume isnt flattering.
 
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volfan4evr said:
GmanTN said:
Last 3 years of Battle
1974 - 7-3-2/ 2-3-1 in the SEC
1975 - 7-5/ 3-3 in the SEC
1976 - 6-5/2-4 in the SEC


Not piling on here Gman, but you forgot Battles first year: He went 11-1 with a Sugar Bowl victory over Air Force. I respect your length of following the Vols. I have been a fan since '65, and had season tickets during the Battle years and the drive back to Nashville after a disappointing loss was hard to take. I too have history and thought I was the only one till I got on Volnation lol.
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Oops. A little selective editing to make the argument fit?

If Dooley had EVER won 11 games in a season, ANYWHERE he'd coached, we would NOT be having this discussion.....even if he'd done it with someone else's players.
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volfan4evr said:
Lol, no he didn't. He's not said anything new since his first post to the last. He's only here to spew his drivel. He chooses to post it, I choose to ignore it.
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Too many people get butthurt when someone has a completely different opinion than what they think is right. I very seldom voice my opinion in here for that reason. The football forum is starting to seem more like politics every day. There is no middle ground where we can have discussions around here anymore.
 
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'Boro-vol said:
He hasn't beaten a rival or a ranked team in 3 years. He hasn't even shown significant improvement in those games.

He took a ranked team against Florida, and lost by a larger margin than be did last year.

All of this is known....but is chosen to be ignored by those who wish to.disagree.
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False.

We kicked the crap out of Vandy last year.
 
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'Boro-vol said:
volfan4evr said:
Oops. A little selective editing to make the argument fit?

If Dooley had EVER won 11 games in a season, ANYWHERE he'd coached, we would NOT be having this discussion.....even if he'd done it with someone else's players.
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Exactly. If one of CDDs seasons was 11-1 so far I wouldn't be saying much at least about him being fired. I would be criticizing as usual, but not calling for his head.
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'Boro-vol said:
On this we are in complete agreement, which is why we need a serious upgrade in leadership for our football program. The SEC passed UT by during the last 5-7 years of Fulmers tenure. We bungled the hire and failed to upgrade when we replaced him. We cant afford to do it again.
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And just like giving Majors more time proved to be right as well, if Majors had never hired Fulmer, his tenure here may not have ever happened as well.

The bottomline is if DD is in good with Haslam, he will be the coach here in 2013. No booster or supporter out ranks Haslam.
 
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GreveHaller said:
Winning the SB really isnt the issue. Its the downward spiral he took the Bucs after it. That is where my issue is with him. Eventually he has to coach and his ending resume isnt flattering.
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Want to compare his NFL record to Dooleys previous coaching record to determine who's more qualified?

Are you really prepared to make that argument?
 
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BeecherVol said:
False

We kicked the crap out of Vandy last year.
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Traditional divisional rivals equal teams that have an effect on the race for the Eastern division....UF, UGA, and lately USCe. These are the teams we MUST defeat to get to Atlanta.

Vandy is someone you must defeat to be the Coach at UT.

Ill see your Vandy and raise you a UK.
 
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volfan4evr said:
Mornin' Smokey.......gettin' a little interesting on this end...lol.
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Yeah, it looks that way.

BTW, did you get my response to your question last night...I think you were the one that asked what will happen if we beat MSU, but lose to Troy..maybe I have the wrong person here.:unsure:
 
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volfan4evr said:
GmanTN said:
Last 3 years of Battle
1974 - 7-3-2/ 2-3-1 in the SEC
1975 - 7-5/ 3-3 in the SEC
1976 - 6-5/2-4 in the SEC


Not piling on here Gman, but you forgot Battles first year: He went 11-1 with a Sugar Bowl victory over Air Force. I respect your length of following the Vols. I have been a fan since '65, and had season tickets during the Battle years and the drive back to Nashville after a disappointing loss was hard to take. I too have history and thought I was the only one till I got on Volnation lol.
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I did not leave out what Battle was able to do when he first became HC, he did it with Dickey's players which is why I feel Gruden would be Battle 2.0 and Gruden would leave and return to the pros and leave us in a bigger mess.
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'Boro-vol said:
volfan4evr said:
Oops. A little selective editing to make the argument fit?

If Dooley had EVER won 11 games in a season, ANYWHERE he'd coached, we would NOT be having this discussion.....even if he'd done it with someone else's players.
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Don't want to bash Gman at all. We both have seen some rough times as Vol fans. You know, it's easier to be a forgiving fan when you have never won a NC. Afterwards, you just want to get back to that prominence. I have no idea if Gruden would be that coach or not, but I think, as Kiffin put it, "It's time" to find out. (not now of course, let's play out the season
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'Boro-vol said:
Traditional divisional rivals equal teams that have an effect on the race for the Eastern division....UF, UGA, and lately USCe. These are the teams we MUST defeat to get to Atlanta.

Candy is someone you must defeat to be the Coach at UT.

Ill see your Vandy and raise you a UK.
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He knows, he was just messing with you.
 
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smokeyhuntsgators said:
Yeah, it looks that way.

BTW, did you get my response to your question last night...I think you were the one that asked what will happen if we beat MSU, but lose to Troy..maybe I have the wrong person here.:unsure:
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Yes, and thanks for the reply. I got a phone call around that time and didn't get to respond.
 
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'Boro-vol said:
Want to compare his NFL record to Dooleys previous coaching record to determine who's more qualified?

Are you really prepared to make that argument?
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where the heck you coming with that? Please find one place where I've ever said D² is the answer. Assuming things really decreases your credibility.

Its not that D²> Gruden. Its that there are many, many more options that are better than Gruden. If championships is your one and only criteria for a new HC then there are many more qualified than Gruden

Larry Coker
Howard Schnellingberger
Dennis Erickson
Lloyd Carr
Bob Stoops
Jimmy Johnson

Every one has one a cfb national championship - something that Gruden has NEVER done. Automatically makes them more qualifed. Why dont you get on the Coker train then?

Its beyond stupid to rely solely on one stat - a SB win - as the reason to hire him as a coach and completely ignore his entire coaching tenure as well as accomplishments/failures.
 
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GreveHaller said:
where the heck you coming with that? Please find one place where I've ever said D² is the answer. Assuming things really decreases your credibility.

Its not that D²> Gruden. Its that there are many, many more options that are better than Gruden. If championships is your one and only criteria for a new HC then there are many more qualified than Gruden

Larry Coker
Howard Schnellingberger
Dennis Erickson
Lloyd Carr
Bob Stoops
Jimmy Johnson

Every one has one a cfb national championship - something that Gruden has NEVER done. Automatically makes them more qualifed. Why dont you get on the Coker train then?

Its beyond stupid to rely solely on one stat - a SB win - as the reason to hire him as a coach and completely ignore his entire coaching tenure as well as accomplishments/failures.
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I mistook who I was responding to. My apologies.

We can debate suitable replacements all day. Everybody is entitled to their opinion on the matter. That was not the point I was trying make.
 
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