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So the Grudenites feel if DD can't lead the Vols to victory over 3 ranked opponents this month he should be fired. What if Gruden was the HC and the same scenario? anyone who has expectations that if a coach can't take an unranked team and beat 3 ranked opponents should be fired, is an imbecile.
 
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GmanTN said:
So the Grudenites feel if DD can't lead the Vols to victory over 3 ranked opponents this month he should be fired. What if Gruden was the HC and the same scenario? anyone who has expectations that if a coach can't take an unranked team and beat 3 ranked opponents should be fired, is an imbecile.
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He hasn't beaten a rival or a ranked team in 3 years. He hasn't even shown significant improvement in those games.

He took a ranked team against Florida, and lost by a larger margin than be did last year.

All of this is known....but is chosen to be ignored by those who wish to.disagree.
 
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'Boro-vol said:
He hasn't beaten a rival or a ranked team in 3 years. He hasn't even shown significant improvement in those games.

He has not had a SEC roster to compete with, ever think that has something to do with it as well? It is not like DD calls all the plays on offense and defense

He took a ranked team against Florida, and lost by a larger margin than be did last year.

Ever dawn on you that DD is not the first coach to lose to Florida while being HC at UT. Florida could also be better than many of us are thinking as well.

All of this is known....but is chosen to be ignored by those who wish to.disagree.
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No one is ignoring anything, perhaps some acknowledge the challenge of rebuilding and understand 2 recruiting classes (1st class was Kiffins mainly that DD secured) is not going to restore the depleted roster he inherited.
 
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volfan4evr said:
OK Grudenites, I just put Titans&volfan4life on ignore.........hope he returns the favor.
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Thanks for ignoring me.

It's pretty immature that you have to ignore someone with a different opinion especially when there's a little logic to the opinion.

I hardly ever ignore anyone because I want to see peoples opinions and any logic behind those opinions.

I don't see it as logical to fire CDD only 1/2 way through the rebuilding process especially since UT doesn't have the money to pay HUGE $$$ to try and get a proven, successful, big name coach to risk his career by coming to Tennessee.

Just my opinions though and you Grudenites seem to mostly ignore other opinions and logic anyway.

VFL...GBO!!!
 
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GmanTN said:
No one is ignoring anything, perhaps some acknowledge the challenge of rebuilding and understand 2 recruiting classes (1st class was Kiffins mainly that DD secured) is not going to restore the depleted roster he inherited.
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A little about me...I was a vehement Dooley defender until the Akron game. That was the last straw and where I fell off the wagon. I think he is a fantastic individual....I like him as a person. He is a loser as a coach.

The lack of improvement over 3 years is what concerns me. We have a variety of continuing problems that are a result of coaching as opposed to roster....kicking game, inconsistent QB play, onfield discipline etc. Many coaches achieve better results with less talented rosters than he has had at his disposal. That is a cop-out.

Lastly, his record prior to his arrival here is reflective if these same issues.
 
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GmanTN said:
No one is ignoring anything, perhaps some acknowledge the challenge of rebuilding and understand 2 recruiting classes (1st class was Kiffins mainly that DD secured) is not going to restore the depleted roster he inherited.
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^^^ This is 100% factual ^^^

Well stated Gman and a likes thumbs up for you buddy.

Careful though buddy because alot of Grudenites can't stand facts or logic and ignore them and some will ignore you too like they did me, LOL.

VFL...GBO!!!
 
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GmanTN said:
So the Grudenites feel if DD can't lead the Vols to victory over 3 ranked opponents this month he should be fired. What if Gruden was the HC and the same scenario? anyone who has expectations that if a coach can't take an unranked team and beat 3 ranked opponents should be fired, is an imbecile.
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Got to win football games of significance. He hasn't won one yet. And if he beats MSU but loses to Bama and USCe he still wouldn't have won a game that really matters.
 
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Titan&Volfan4life said:
Thanks for ignoring me.

It's pretty immature that you have to ignore someone with a different opinion especially when there's a little logic to the opinion.

I hardly ever ignore anyone because I want to see peoples opinions and any logic behind those opinions.

I don't see it as logical to fire CDD only 1/2 way through the rebuilding process especially since UT doesn't have the money to pay HUGE $$$ to try and get a proven, successful, big name coach to risk his career by coming to Tennessee.

Just my opinions though and you Grudenites seem to mostly ignore other opinions and logic anyway.

VFL...GBO!!!
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Now he can see you



Unless I'm on ignore.
 
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Titan&Volfan4life said:
^^^ This is 100% factual ^^^

Well stated Gman and a likes thumbs up for you buddy.

Careful though buddy because alot of Grudenites can't stand facts or logic and ignore them and some will ignore you too like they did me, LOL.

VFL...GBO!!!
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You talking about the logic that says I'm not a fan of CDD but because he held the clipboard for Saban for seven years we should still keep him.

Very sound logic.
 
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volfan4evr said:
OK Grudenites, I just put Titans&volfan4life on ignore.........hope he returns the favor.
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I did that after his 30th duplicate post.

His agenda is simply to shout down his opposition. Failing that he resorts to name calling. I have no time for that form of debate.....if you can even call it that.
 
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BigOrangeFanatic said:
Its okay. He'll be a card carrying member some day.
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He's the first person in nearly 7 years on the forum that I've put on ignore. I hate doing that, and typically am critical of those that do. After multiple duplicate posts I realized he's not trying to affect the debate, but trying to curtail it.
 
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'Boro-vol said:
A little about me...I was a vehement Dooley defender until the Akron game. That was the last straw and where I fell off the wagon. I think he is a fantastic individual....I like him as a person. He is a loser as a coach.

Just so you know, I have never been a sunshine pumper or supporter of DD, nor have I been negative. I am in the camp of we need talent and he is recruiting that but we need more of it before we can say we can compete in the SEC. The Akron game? really

The lack of improvement over 3 years is what concerns me. We have a variety of continuing problems that are a result of coaching as opposed to roster....kicking game, inconsistent QB play, onfield discipline etc. Many coaches achieve better results with less talented rosters than he has had at his disposal. That is a cop-out.

Checkout how many players are getting drafted from UT verses the rest of the conference. It should be a good indicator as to where our program is. As far as the kicking goes, they were ranked #1 their senior years, who knew they would turn out that way. All QB's have bad games from time to time, I remember Peyton against Memphis, these are still kids they will make mistakes. Name these coaches and be sure to name the ones who coach in the SEC.

Lastly, his record prior to his arrival here is reflective if these same issues.
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That record has zero to do with his record here, it is a little harder to recruit to LA Tech than it is UT. Until this season is over and we have a chance to see how this teams responds to the ranked SEC teams will we have a better insight as to which direction this program is heading.
 
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'Boro-vol said:
He's the first person in nearly 7 years on the forum that I've put on ignore. I hate doing that, and typically am critical of those that do. After multiple duplicate posts I realized he's not trying to affect the debate, but trying to curtail it.
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Yeah. I'll be honest, I've thought about ignoring him, but then I can't laugh at his pointless posts.
 
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Dooley is such a loser that he'd get a loss during the bye week. I am an a's fan and I've been watching bob Melvin this year. Dooleys football team doesn't even play as hard as Melvin's baseball team. Earlier this year, I said if Dooley's team quits again he should be gone.
 
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GmanTN said:
That record has zero to do with his record here, it is a little harder to recruit to LA Tech than it is UT. Until this season is over and we have a chance to see our this teams responds to the ranked SEC teams will we have a better insight as to which direction this program is heading.
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I'm fine with the "wait until the end of the season" approach. Not the position I am taking but I'm not going to bash someone for doing that. Although, if he goes 0 for in October and is not competitive in the Bama game he won't get to the end of the season.
 
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GmanTN said:
That record has zero to do with his record here, it is a little harder to recruit to LA Tech than it is UT. Until this season is over and we have a chance to see our this teams responds to the ranked SEC teams will we have a better insight as to which direction this program is heading.
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His prior record has everything to do with how qualified he is to run this program. It's a sliding scale between the WAC and SEC, I understand that. But a lack of success at one, and a pattern of similar recurring onfield difficulties, may be indicative of a low ceiling of performance.

We'll all know at the end if October. There will be many more believers at that time. It takes some people longer to believe what they see.

You'll come around.
 
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BigOrangeFanatic said:
I'm fine with the "wait until the end of the season" approach. Not the position I am taking but I'm not going to bash someone for doing that. Although, if he goes 0 for in October and is not competitive in the Bama game he won't get to the end of the season.
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That will not happen and I would make a bet on DD finishing the season as HC at UT.
 
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GmanTN said:
That will not happen and I would make a bet on DD finishing the season as HC at UT.
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Logic says that we had 0- 4 how many times in october? Dooleys teams are poorly coached. No discipline, no defense, and way too many mental errors. Mullen will out coach us.
 
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