Hypothetical coaching replacement scenario

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GmanTN said:
The NegaVols have scientific proof that chat boards has little to no effect on recruits, they also have plans that would create world peace and solve the economy in this country.
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It's not that recruits and their families may see the stuff that's posted on message boards, I'm sure they do. But surely they are smart enough to take it all with a grain of salt, because every fanbase has it's crazies. You guys act like UT is the only team with message board posters who aren't happy with the coach, which simply isn't the case.
 
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bleedorange0037 said:
It's not that recruits and their families may see the stuff that's posted on message boards, I'm sure they do. But surely they are smart enough to take it all with a grain of salt, because every fanbase has it's crazies. You guys act like UT is the only team with message board posters who aren't happy with the coach, which simply isn't the case.
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you have to remember that they are 17 and 18 year olds, and yes they are gullible enough to believe anything, that's why they are so easy to pull tricks on.
 
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titanvolsfan1 said:
you have to remember that they are 17 and 18 year olds, and yes they are gullible enough to believe anything, that's why they are so easy to pull tricks on.
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So do you honestly think the only message board they visit would be UT's? That would be the only way they could possibly think that its only Vol fans who are unhappy with their coach.
 
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bleedorange0037 said:
It's not that recruits and their families may see the stuff that's posted on message boards, I'm sure they do. But surely they are smart enough to take it all with a grain of salt, because every fanbase has it's crazies. You guys act like UT is the only team with message board posters who aren't happy with the coach, which simply isn't the case.
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If I had a son who was considering the university of TN on a football scholarship. I read this board and noticed almost every week some DA poster has a bright idea to start a thread on who will replace DD, I would sit down with my son and caution him on this decision and inform him to look at other options.

Every school does have crazy fans but not all boards have fans dumb enough to start threads on coaching replacements as much as UT fans. For a kid that wants to play they will look at facilities, traditions, early playing time, academics and the most important element is relationships with their position coach and the head coach. A kid will want to feel comfortable with their decision on leaving home for the first time and going off to college, trusting the coaches and having the feeling that the coach will be there is a big factor in determining their decision.
 
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This thread is ridiculous. If Dooley wins 9-10 games, there is no way we hire someone else after the season. He will get an extension as he would have won more than we have since 2007. That would be an extremely successful rebuilding job. You don't get rid of a coach that wins for another transition and potential. Charlie Weis was supposed to be a big success in college and he was an absolute bust. If we have another losing season, then we can have this conversation. We have a chance to be a good team. Let's play some games first and cheer for them to be successful.
 
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GmanTN said:
The bold part is very comical, take away Gannon and Gruden has the reputation of the coach who destroys QB's careers.

His connections in the NFL? His track record? The Bucs sucked each year after they won the SB. I am not a star gazer or a big fan of Gruden but it is not up to me who is hired or fired at UT.
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I don't hate Gruden or think he's a bad coach but his Super Bowl win was in large part because of the team Tony Dungy put together in Tampa. Gruden isnt as great a HC as he is a QB guru.
 
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ATLVols said:
This thread is ridiculous. If Dooley wins 9-10 games, there is no way we hire someone else after the season. He will get an extension as he would have won more than we have since 2007. That would be an extremely successful rebuilding job. You don't get rid of a coach that wins for another transition and potential. Charlie Weis was supposed to be a big success in college and he was an absolute bust. If we have another losing season, then we can have this conversation. We have a chance to be a good team. Let's play some games first and cheer for them to be successful.
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I agree with every point here but I think it's 8+ games. We haven't won 8 games in a season in 5 years.
 
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bleedorange0037 said:
So do you honestly think the only message board they visit would be UT's? That would be the only way they could possibly think that its only Vol fans who are unhappy with their coach.
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I don't care for other message boards I care about ours, but if you don't think it has nothing to do with recruits decision no not all of them especially when they have been told they are the best thing sense sliced bread, they pretty much believe anything,
 
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I hope I don't get labeled a TROLL again. By the way how do you get an answer to why I was labeled a TROLL in the first place?

This thread is acinine!!! Gruden hasn't proven he could coach college football and he indicates to me he is not interested. Does the starter of this thread really believe anything he wrote? Being from Chicago I understand, they have no concept of college football only pro felon crap.

Why did I waste my time responding? Help me please!!!!
 
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Given the situation that Dooley inherited, I still don't know for sure that Dooley isn't better than Jon Gruden. Replacing Dooley might be a huge mistake. I, for one, think that Dooley has done quite an excellent job with the circumstances thrown at him. He may not pan out (the jury is still out for me), but I still believe that he could end up being special.
 
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Gruden is good at breaking down game film and pointing out a players strengths and weaknesses, that has zero to do with recruiting. Some guys know the game and are good at breaking it down but have difficulties in translating that knowledge on the field during a game. I am not convinced that Grudens coaching habits and his unknown factor to recruit would make him a great candidate to lead the Vols.
 
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15 days until kickoff and op wants to talk about possible coaching changes:whatever:.....for the love of the almighty please go to youtube and find yourself some highlight reels an get pumped...dooleys the coach, get over it people, support your vols........GBDO! doubledown, v,b!
 
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GmanTN said:
Gruden is good at breaking down game film and pointing out a players strengths and weaknesses, that has zero to do with recruiting. Some guys know the game and are good at breaking it down but have difficulties in translating that knowledge on the field during a game. I am not convinced that Grudens coaching habits and his unknown factor to recruit would make him a great candidate to lead the Vols.
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Hell I have seen folks on here that can break down film, you're right it's about getting kids to your school
 
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tnrifleman said:
15 days until kickoff and op wants to talk about possible coaching changes:whatever:.....for the love of the almighty please go to youtube and find yourself some highlight reels an get pumped...dooleys the coach, get over it people, support your vols........gbdo! Doubledown, v,b!
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+10 go vols!!!!!!
 
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VagabondVol said:
Given the situation that Dooley inherited, I still don't know for sure that Dooley isn't better than Jon Gruden. Replacing Dooley might be a huge mistake. I, for one, think that Dooley has done quite an excellent job with the circumstances thrown at him. He may not pan out (the jury is still out for me), but I still believe that he could end up being special.
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To basically being an unknown HC, and a fanbase to ask, who the hell is this guy when he was hired, I think he has done a great job considering the $hit hole he came into. In 2 1/2 years, he has rebuilt the roster and added a lot of depth and talent. Though the majority of this team is unproven, there are some studs on this roster on both sides of the ball. I've said this a million times, heres 1,000,001...this is the first season anyone can fairly judge CDD.
 
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Gruden is not interested and will never be. There are no real home run guys out there right now that are interested. Maybe in the future though?

How about we be patient and see how this season goes. If we win 8 or more and our loses are competitive close games then we are on the right track. If not we can reassess after the season.

It takes time to build a program back from where we were recently.
 
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Here we go again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Another F****** Dooley replacement thread. And with our team only 2 weeks away from their opening game. I got it figured out. There's a category of Vols fans that hate the team and absolutely must author negative threads and posts. They're just people whose behavior shouts the message of:
 
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So you would refuse a hands down coaching upgrade altogether?

Yes, because if Dooley shows he can win w/ good talent and depth, I'm not sure you can say hiring anyone short of Saban would be an upgrade. If Dooley wins 9 or 10 this season in your scenario, I'm not sure why anyone would want him out. He will have proven he can win with talent, and he will have won with the talent he recruited.

Or if CDD wins this year, is he suddenly the best coach in the nation?

No, and he doesn't have to be the best coach in the nation. If he does win 9-10 games this season he will be one year ahead of schedule in my book and Hart would be insane to get rid of him and start the process over again.

As far as Gruden, I'm still not sure why people are sold on him. For one, I'm not sure he has the character to coach at the college level; 2, I don't know if he can recruit at the college level. Hell, I don't even know if he can coach at the college level.

Booting a 9-10 win coach because he hasn't endeared himself to the entire fanbase is something Bama would do, not UT, IMO.
 
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The OP must have been asleep since 11-26 of last year. Lots of excitement and positive attitudes,, especially since the VOLS have been back on the field this month.. What a time to start a post like this. Maybe he will pull another Rip Van Winkle like starting TODAY !!!
 
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Hoss Diesel said:
I posted this question on another board, but I wanted to get some feedback here. This is an offseason thread, and I'm just looking for discussion. This is not a "Fire Dooley" thread. Inevitably, someone will take this for more than just a speculation pretend time thread, and I will laugh at them.

Let's say we have a good to great year, excluding a national championship win. 9-10 wins, win the East, win our Bowl. Jon Gruden (or another equally big coaching name, but I'm using Gruden) is on the market. Dave Hart approaches Gruden and he accepts the job & CDD is bought out. If you don't want to think Gruden, picture a homerun, Saban-to-Alabama type of hire. There is very little room to argue that the coach is superior in terms of coaching acumen, recruiting, etc. The coach also views UT as a destination job. No Lane Kiffin repeat.

Keeping in mind all of the above, answer the following:

1) How unlikely is it that we hire a superior coach even if CDD has a successful season? Is there precedent for this?

2) Would you be on board with the hire? Why or why not?

3) What effect would you see it having on our roster & recruiting class? Feel free to break it down by FR, SO, JR, SR, or however.

4) What would the new coach do right away to prove that this was the right move?

I'll start.

1) I'll admit that the scenario is unlikely. If Dooley were to win a NC it becomes impossible, however that is equally unlikely. But! Dooley is not Hart's hire. CDD has not endeared himself to the fan base yet. I won't go through the laundry list of coaching mistakes. He also has pissed off some former players. As for precedent, I don't know of a coach having a good year and being let go purely for upgrade reasons.

2) Of course I would be on board with the hire. I personally see this as the best possible year we could have. Win a lot of meaningful games and land Jon Gruden. The buzz is back at UT. Opposing teams respect/fear us again. We gain all of this by the name of our coach & his ability, not by shenanigans and ESPN stories a la Kiffin.

3) I think we see very little attrition. My next point will expand on this. Also, I've heard CDD is not the most popular guy.

4) Since we had a successful year, the entire staff would be retained, minus Jim Chaney and any clear non-performers, which should be minimal. This gives continuity to the current players. This also maintains our current recruiting class, and only serves to improve it. The defense remains unchanged. Gruden can bring in an OC, but his offense is installed which is a huge win. Our '14 recruiting class starts shaping up to be Top 3 in the nation.


All that said, I'm geared up for a great year. David Ricky Rogers #21, best WR in the nation.
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As a Dooley hater you must get over your emotions and your obsession with Jon Gruden and try to look objectively at what has been accomplished in the past two and a half years. The term "fan" is short for fanatic and is not supposed to make sense, but for the sake of argument I will deal with reality.

I have followed Tennessee football since childhood 1956, and at no point in that period has UT football been at a lower ebb than when Dooley was hired. Fulmer, a great guy but never more than an ordinary coach, had lost control of the program and needed to be replaced. To compound the problem AD Mike Hamilton, never actually qualified for the AD position, made a hiring mistake with Kiffin along with several other high profile hiring mistakes. At this point talented prospective head coaches stop taking phone calls from Mike Hamilton. The bottom line is that under these circumstances UT hired who they could get not necessarily who they wanted.

I have successfully managed people in the corporate world for nearly 40 years and I can tell you that hiring is never a sure thing. I can also tell you that Derrek Dooley brings some asset's with him that favor his success.

1) Dooley has a strong work ethic, an attention to detail, and a vision of where he wants to take the program. Nick Sabin noted that Dooley was the only assistant that he had ever had that could see the big picture.

2) Dooley has a sense of integrity that causes him to place prospects under the microscope before he offers them. He avoids those players who appear to have the
"5 star syndrome" in preference to those who are likely to finish their college careers at UT. This will minimize turn over and maximize continuity of the program.
Over the past two years, in a program that was all but dead, Dooley has managed to bring in 20 4 star players. What would he be able to do with a winning season behind him?

3) Finally, Dooley is arguably the most intelligent UT head coach in my life time. A JD degree in law is a substantial personal achievement for anyone. The days of a head coach of a major program being a ruff and tough former dumb jock are gone for ever. The complexity of future college football will demand more of a CEO than a HC.

As previously stated nothing is for sure in hiring personnel, but I will place my bet on the above stated assets for success at Tennessee. If Dooley's is not the guy I will be the first to call for his head, but nothing he has done so far has indicated to me that he can not be successful at a program that badly needs some success.
 
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You idiots who start these threads need to realize that if Dooley is gone after this year (which he won't be) then most likely so are the star players. That is one of the biggest reasons it has taken us so long to turn the program around. Then we get to start this entire cycle that we are just coming out of all over again.
 
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