Hypothetical coaching replacement scenario

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Unless there is some sort of scandal, it would be impossible to fire Dooley if he went 10-2.

It would be extremely difficult to justify firing him at 9-3. There would probably need to be three fluke wins, blowout losses against Alabama, Florida, and Georgia, and Gruden going on national television and announcing he would take the job for 1,000,000 a year.

If Gruden is willing to take the job (since we're dealing with hypothetical scenarios that almost certainly won't be the case) and Dooley is retained with 8-4 or worse with losses to Florida, Georgia, Alabama, and South Carolina, I would probably have a stroke.
 
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oldfartvol said:
Let me get this straight. Dooley pulls UT football out of the ****ter and wins 10 games. He also wins the East and brings respectability back to Big Orange Country and you want to dump him for any "Name" coach?? We're a bit more loyal down here Hoss. If you hate CDD so much cheer for the ****ing Bears you moron.:finger3:
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Very well stated Ole Boy........ I mean Old Fart.......
 
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Hoss Diesel said:
I posted this question on another board, but I wanted to get some feedback here. This is an offseason thread, and I'm just looking for discussion. This is not a "Fire Dooley" thread. Inevitably, someone will take this for more than just a speculation pretend time thread, and I will laugh at them.

Let's say we have a good to great year, excluding a national championship win. 9-10 wins, win the East, win our Bowl. Jon Gruden (or another equally big coaching name, but I'm using Gruden) is on the market. Dave Hart approaches Gruden and he accepts the job & CDD is bought out. If you don't want to think Gruden, picture a homerun, Saban-to-Alabama type of hire. There is very little room to argue that the coach is superior in terms of coaching acumen, recruiting, etc. The coach also views UT as a destination job. No Lane Kiffin repeat.

Keeping in mind all of the above, answer the following:

1) How unlikely is it that we hire a superior coach even if CDD has a successful season? Is there precedent for this?

2) Would you be on board with the hire? Why or why not?

3) What effect would you see it having on our roster & recruiting class? Feel free to break it down by FR, SO, JR, SR, or however.

4) What would the new coach do right away to prove that this was the right move?

I'll start.

1) I'll admit that the scenario is unlikely. If Dooley were to win a NC it becomes impossible, however that is equally unlikely. But! Dooley is not Hart's hire. CDD has not endeared himself to the fan base yet. I won't go through the laundry list of coaching mistakes. He also has pissed off some former players. As for precedent, I don't know of a coach having a good year and being let go purely for upgrade reasons.

2) Of course I would be on board with the hire. I personally see this as the best possible year we could have. Win a lot of meaningful games and land Jon Gruden. The buzz is back at UT. Opposing teams respect/fear us again. We gain all of this by the name of our coach & his ability, not by shenanigans and ESPN stories a la Kiffin.

3) I think we see very little attrition. My next point will expand on this. Also, I've heard CDD is not the most popular guy.

4) Since we had a successful year, the entire staff would be retained, minus Jim Chaney and any clear non-performers, which should be minimal. This gives continuity to the current players. This also maintains our current recruiting class, and only serves to improve it. The defense remains unchanged. Gruden can bring in an OC, but his offense is installed which is a huge win. Our '14 recruiting class starts shaping up to be Top 3 in the nation.


All that said, I'm geared up for a great year. David Ricky Rogers #21, best WR in the nation.
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you are A COMPLETE MORON... i bet you're that cogenital idiot small mike the cosby cattleman. Do us all a huge favor and find another team to support people like you and notice i didn't say fan make me sick.
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Hoss Diesel said:
I posted this question on another board, but I wanted to get some feedback here. This is an offseason thread, and I'm just looking for discussion. This is not a "Fire Dooley" thread. Inevitably, someone will take this for more than just a speculation pretend time thread, and I will laugh at them.

Let's say we have a good to great year, excluding a national championship win. 9-10 wins, win the East, win our Bowl. Jon Gruden (or another equally big coaching name, but I'm using Gruden) is on the market. Dave Hart approaches Gruden and he accepts the job & CDD is bought out. If you don't want to think Gruden, picture a homerun, Saban-to-Alabama type of hire. There is very little room to argue that the coach is superior in terms of coaching acumen, recruiting, etc. The coach also views UT as a destination job. No Lane Kiffin repeat.

Keeping in mind all of the above, answer the following:

1) How unlikely is it that we hire a superior coach even if CDD has a successful season? Is there precedent for this?

2) Would you be on board with the hire? Why or why not?

3) What effect would you see it having on our roster & recruiting class? Feel free to break it down by FR, SO, JR, SR, or however.

4) What would the new coach do right away to prove that this was the right move?

I'll start.

1) I'll admit that the scenario is unlikely. If Dooley were to win a NC it becomes impossible, however that is equally unlikely. But! Dooley is not Hart's hire. CDD has not endeared himself to the fan base yet. I won't go through the laundry list of coaching mistakes. He also has pissed off some former players. As for precedent, I don't know of a coach having a good year and being let go purely for upgrade reasons.

2) Of course I would be on board with the hire. I personally see this as the best possible year we could have. Win a lot of meaningful games and land Jon Gruden. The buzz is back at UT. Opposing teams respect/fear us again. We gain all of this by the name of our coach & his ability, not by shenanigans and ESPN stories a la Kiffin.

3) I think we see very little attrition. My next point will expand on this. Also, I've heard CDD is not the most popular guy.

4) Since we had a successful year, the entire staff would be retained, minus Jim Chaney and any clear non-performers, which should be minimal. This gives continuity to the current players. This also maintains our current recruiting class, and only serves to improve it. The defense remains unchanged. Gruden can bring in an OC, but his offense is installed which is a huge win. Our '14 recruiting class starts shaping up to be Top 3 in the nation.


All that said, I'm geared up for a great year. David Ricky Rogers #21, best WR in the nation.
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Okay, I can tell by your avatar that you live in a fantasy world. You do realize what you said was hypothetical is really you voicing "fire Dooley" without coming right out and saying it. Gruden doesn't want to coach the Volunteers, get over it. All that happened prior to Dooley arriving made it impossible to be competitive. Why would you think our recruiting would pick up? Another coaching change now would destroy this team. Tell you what, go by the stadium and turn in your fan card and hop on the Franklin train. They would love to have you and your fantasies.:no:
 
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Pardon the late replies. I've been bogged down with the numerous career facts for Derek Dooley that show he is clearly the best coach in the land.

You hilljack idiots that love a clean combed coach more than the institution are the prOblem. But you probably accept mediocrity in your own lives so why wouldn't you take it from your football team?
 
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I am very down on Dooley, and I would be pissed if they fired him after a 9-3 season.

tvolsfan said:
Unless there is some sort of scandal, it would be impossible to fire Dooley if he went 10-2.

It would be extremely difficult to justify firing him at 9-3. There would probably need to be three fluke wins, blowout losses against Alabama, Florida, and Georgia, and Gruden going on national television and announcing he would take the job for 1,000,000 a year.

If Gruden is willing to take the job (since we're dealing with hypothetical scenarios that almost certainly won't be the case) and Dooley is retained with 8-4 or worse with losses to Florida, Georgia, Alabama, and South Carolina, I would probably have a stroke.
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Hoss Diesel said:
Pardon the late replies. I've been bogged down with the numerous career facts for Derek Dooley that show he is clearly the best coach in the land.

You hilljack idiots that love a clean combed coach more than the institution are the prOblem. But you probably accept mediocrity in your own lives so why wouldn't you take it from your football team?
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Get over yourself. You made a garbage thread. Own it.
 
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I'm sure if you beg Freak, or a mod, it will disappear and save you some embarrassment. All you have to do is ask
 
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hoss diesel said:
pardon the late replies. I've been bogged down with the numerous career facts for derek dooley that show he is clearly the best coach in the land.

You hilljack idiots that love a clean combed coach more than the institution are the problem. But you probably accept mediocrity in your own lives so why wouldn't you take it from your football team?
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Hoss Diesel said:
Pardon the late replies. I've been bogged down with the numerous career facts for Derek Dooley that show he is clearly the best coach in the land.

You hilljack idiots that love a clean combed coach more than the institution are the prOblem. But you probably accept mediocrity in your own lives so why wouldn't you take it from your football team?
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Belly full off eating stupid. Yup. Bogged down.
 
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Hoss Diesel said:
Pardon the late replies. I've been bogged down with the numerous career facts for Derek Dooley that show he is clearly the best coach in the land.

You hilljack idiots that love a clean combed coach more than the institution are the prOblem. But you probably accept mediocrity in your own lives so why wouldn't you take it from your football team?
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You should actually be thankful we accept mediocrity. If not, this thread would have been deleted days ago.
 
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Since this is all hypothetical, why settle for Gruden?

If this is pie in the sky type stuff, why not go after a proven PROVEN winner?

I say back up the dump truck, beginning with:
1) Saban
2) Spurrier

Silly yes, but I don't think anyone can disagree that those are two of the finest coaches ever to wear a headset. Saban is a mercenary. It is just a dollar figure that gets him to change locations. I firmly believe we could have had Spurrier after his stint in the NFL if we had been in the market.

This reminds me of a funny quote attributed to Winston Churchill. Supposedly during the peak of WWII he walked into his secretary's office and said "would you sleep with me for 100,000 pounds" she said yes. He then said "would you sleep with me for 50 pounds" and she said "what do you think I am, a prostitute?" He replied "We have already determined that, we are now negotiating a price." True or not, it is funny and applies in the world of college coaching.

If you are going to go down in flames, at least end spectacularly.
 
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Hoss Diesel said:
Pardon the late replies. I've been bogged down with the numerous career facts for Derek Dooley that show he is clearly the best coach in the land.

You hilljack idiots that love a clean combed coach more than the institution are the prOblem. But you probably accept mediocrity in your own lives so why wouldn't you take it from your football team?
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Bravo.
 
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Hoss Diesel said:
So you would refuse a hands down coaching upgrade altogether? Or if CDD wins this year, is he suddenly the best coach in the nation?
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What you (and many like you) seem to fail to understand is that, in all liklihood, any coach (even "hands down coaching upgrades" like Gruden and Cower) would almost certainly have struggled just as Coach Dooley has struggled if brought into our situation 2-3 years ago. Even the great Saban struggled early on at Alabama (6-6 his first season, ended the season on a 4 game losing streak and lost to Louisianna-Monroe) and he had a much better team than Dooley inherited at UT.

Tennessee with Coach Dooley is a much better team than it was when he took over. Rebuilding anything takes time.
 
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dimera23 said:
What you (and many like you) seem to fail to understand is that, in all liklihood, any coach (even "hands down coaching upgrades" like Gruden and Cower) would almost certainly have struggled just as Coach Dooley has struggled if brought into our situation 2-3 years ago. Even the great Saban struggled early on at Alabama (6-6 his first season, ended the season on a 4 game losing streak and lost to Louisianna-Monroe) and he had a much better team than Dooley inherited at UT.

Tennessee with Coach Dooley is a much better team than it was when he took over. Rebuilding anything takes time.
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Saban seemed to do just fine in his second season at both Bama and LSU. Meyer did just fine in his second season at Florida and Utah. Stoops did just fine his second season at Oklahoma. Pete Carroll did just fine his second year at USC. So apparently rebuilding takes 2 years for elite coaches. Remind me what year Dooley is in?
 
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politicsvol said:
Saban seemed to do just fine in his second season at both Bama and LSU. Meyer did just fine in his second season at Florida and Utah. Stoops did just fine his second season at Oklahoma. Pete Carroll did just fine his second year at USC. So apparently rebuilding takes 2 years for elite coaches. Remind me what year Dooley is in?
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Year 2.5.
Nobody you mentioned started 2 weeks before signing day.
 
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