Mac vs PC (split)

#151
#151
I'm not trying to say one is better than the other. I'm just saying you get what you pay for. In general, the $600 Dell isn't going to last as long or performa as well as the $1,600 Mac.
 
#152
#152
Chris4Vols22 said:
I'm not trying to say one is better than the other. I'm just saying you get what you pay for. In general, the $600 Dell isn't going to last as long or performa as well as the $1,600 Mac.
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My $800ish Viao has outperformed and outlasted many macs. Back when I bought it even the best MacBook pro didn't match the specs.
 
#155
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Weezy said:
Been using PCs forever. Never had a problem. I assume people who can't keep theirs functional for more than 4 years are the type of people who still think anti-virus software costs money or limewire is good for downloading.
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I just recently had to work on a computer with Frostwire, Bearshare, and Bit Torrent. That was fun, to say the least.
 
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#157
Il Principo said:
Does that not make Macs worth it? The lack of need for computer knowledge?
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Mac's take up a little over 5% of the computer market share, thus the need to drive for most people over 100 miles to seek out a certified Mac/Apple repair shop. If you have a Mac warranty, then you can only take it to one of their depot stores. If someone else works on it, they tend to void the warranty and send you on your way, or make you pay outrageous rates.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
Mac's take up a little over 5% of the computer market share, thus the need to drive for most people over 100 miles to seek out a certified Mac/Apple repair shop. If you have a Mac warranty, then you can only take it to one of their depot stores. If someone else works on it, they tend to void the warranty and send you on your way, or make you pay outrageous rates.
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Not really on topic. I meant that since it seems like a PC is just as reliable given you have computer knowledge, but most people don't, isn't the built-in reliability of a Mac worth it for your average computer user?
 
#159
#159
Il Principo said:
Not really on topic. I meant that since it seems like a PC is just as reliable given you have computer knowledge, but most people don't, isn't the built-in reliability of a Mac worth it for your average computer user?
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That's still the problem, if it screws up, you still need help. Saw a virus that attacked a Mac format the hard drive, and the customer lost everything. The guy said to me, "Hey, you mean my data isn't there??". I said, "No, the virus formatted your drive, and you lost everything, and there is nothing I can do.". He said, "You mean I paid double for a computer that still can get virus and screw up??". I said, "Pretty much". Needless to say, he wasn't happy.

Over 51% of all computer owners, any OS, don't have a form of backup, or have never backup a single file on their hard drives. An OS can screw up, Windows or Mac, and drives can fail, and no amount of money you can spend will keep something that is an electronic from failing.
 
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Il Principo said:
Not really on topic. I meant that since it seems like a PC is just as reliable given you have computer knowledge, but most people don't, isn't the built-in reliability of a Mac worth it for your average computer user?
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Yes. That's why even iPads are replacing computers for certain segments. PC nerds either don't, or can't understand that some people just don't care about the inner workings of a computer. Sometimes we just want the prettier, easier to use toys. To each their own.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
That's still the problem, if it screws up, you still need help. Saw a virus that attacked a Mac format the hard drive, and the customer lost everything. The guy said to me, "Hey, you mean my data isn't there??". I said, "No, the virus formatted your drive, and you lost everything, and there is nothing I can do.". He said, "You mean I paid double for a computer that still can get virus and screw up??". I said, "Pretty much". Needless to say, he wasn't happy.

Over 51% of all computer owners, any OS, don't have a form of backup, or have never backup a single file on their hard drives. An OS can screw up, Windows or Mac, and drives can fail, and no amount of money you can spend will keep something that is an electronic from failing.
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But don't Macs screw up less? Whatever the reason, I believe that is the case. And that's the point of getting one.
 
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Il Principo said:
But don't Macs screw up less? Whatever the reason, I believe that is the case. And that's the point of getting one.
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Hardware malfunctions? No. I don't notice a difference. Which then boils down to whether someone is computer illiterate or not. If you are.. a Mac might be better.. but then again I put windows 7 on my friends Mac with boot camp and he came back 3 weeks later with a computer that wouldn't boot up because he compressed his windows partition (in an attempt to delete it and make a larger one) and then ended up deleting his Mac OS in the process and then couldn't get the Mac OS back on there due to a HDD error. So I just put windows 7 back on without snow leopard or whatever.
 
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#164
#164
Bassmanbruno said:
Most computer owners in general are clueless.
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Then it seems like you have a good general idea of how to take care of computers, which means that you should be alright with a Vaio. I'm on one right now, I've had it for quite some time, and it gives me fits every now and then but it still runs fine and can handle most of what I throw at it. It was about $1000 at the time, but it's got a large screen, 6gb RAM (which was a lot at the time)

But, as you said, most computer owners are clueless (I would choose to say underinformed), and I'd be willing to bet the vast majority of Americans live within a 30 minute drive of an Apple store. It honestly is the best solution for most people.

It's not a superior product, you don't get the most bang for your buck, and the way Apple does things is understandably infuriating to more computer-savvy guys like yourself.

But it should be pretty obvious as to why it's a superior choice for a large part of the population, and it doesn't have anything to do with phenomenal marketing.

g8terh8ter_eric said:
Mac's take up a little over 5% of the computer market share, thus the need to drive for most people over 100 miles to seek out a certified Mac/Apple repair shop. If you have a Mac warranty, then you can only take it to one of their depot stores. If someone else works on it, they tend to void the warranty and send you on your way, or make you pay outrageous rates.
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Calling some BS out here..

1) At least Apple HAS a warranty service worth a damn, the same cannot be said for virtually every PC manufacturer out there. Part of my job for years was as a liason between customers and mfg warranty service, they are all a bloody nightmare 90% of the time, except Apple which is silk 90% of the time.

2) I previously mentioned that I'd be willing to bet the vast majority of Americans live within a reasonable driving distance to an Apple store, but they do offer mail-in service or DIY service to about the same extent as their in-store coverage. I know a few people reading this thread have had the old 360 issue with RROD, and Microsoft made it painless and easy to get swapped out for a new console. Apple has always been that way.

3) Of course they void the warranty if somebody else works on it. This is the same for all warranties in the history of warranties.
 
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milohimself said:
Then it seems like you have a good general idea of how to take care of computers, which means that you should be alright with a Vaio. I'm on one right now, I've had it for quite some time, and it gives me fits every now and then but it still runs fine and can handle most of what I throw at it. It was about $1000 at the time, but it's got a large screen, 6gb RAM (which was a lot at the time)

But, as you said, most computer owners are clueless (I would choose to say underinformed), and I'd be willing to bet the vast majority of Americans live within a 30 minute drive of an Apple store. It honestly is the best solution for most people.

It's not a superior product, you don't get the most bang for your buck, and the way Apple does things is understandably infuriating to more computer-savvy guys like yourself.

But it should be pretty obvious as to why it's a superior choice for a large part of the population, and it doesn't have anything to do with phenomenal marketing.


Calling some BS out here..

1) At least Apple HAS a warranty service worth a damn, the same cannot be said for virtually every PC manufacturer out there. Part of my job for years was as a liason between customers and mfg warranty service, they are all a bloody nightmare 90% of the time, except Apple which is silk 90% of the time.

2) I previously mentioned that I'd be willing to bet the vast majority of Americans live within a reasonable driving distance to an Apple store, but they do offer mail-in service or DIY service to about the same extent as their in-store coverage. I know a few people reading this thread have had the old 360 issue with RROD, and Microsoft made it painless and easy to get swapped out for a new console. Apple has always been that way.

3) Of course they void the warranty if somebody else works on it. This is the same for all warranties in the history of warranties.
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Where I work, we are a Dell Premier Partner. Out of all the warranty issues we have had, they have either shipped a part next day air for us to replace, or sent out a tech next business day support to replace it. It all depends on what company you choose, which is inherently the issue at hand here. You buy something cheap, you get what you pay for.

I have a formula I use when selling a computer, you take how many years you want the computer to last, multiply that by $200, and that's the base cost of the PC you need to buy.
 
#166
#166
Bassmanbruno said:
Hardware malfunctions? No. I don't notice a difference. Which then boils down to whether someone is computer illiterate or not. If you are.. a Mac might be better.. but then again I put windows 7 on my friends Mac with boot camp and he came back 3 weeks later with a computer that wouldn't boot up because he compressed his windows partition (in an attempt to delete it and make a larger one) and then ended up deleting his Mac OS in the process and then couldn't get the Mac OS back on there due to a HDD error. So I just put windows 7 back on without snow leopard or whatever.
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Did your friend attempt to contact Apple?
 
#167
#167
no? He uses the windows partition 90% of the time because he actually plays games so he said just go ahead and put windows on it and save space.
 
#168
#168
AJeray4TN said:
While I have no clue what you just said, it's clear you're bitter about something. I have work that demands a superior computer, therefore I purchase a superior computer. It pays for itself and lasts an eternity. Next argument?
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To me, what AJeray is saying is what it comes down to. I have a Mac, but i'm not one of these weinies that ridicules those who don't. But it's a really good machine. Plus, the software a Mac comes with in its cheapest form is pretty good. I have lots of programs i'll never use of course, but then again if I ever want it (or could learn to use it), it'll be there. To say Apple is crap is just silliness.
 
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orangesox said:
To me, what AJeray is saying is what it comes down to. I have a Mac, but i'm not one of these weinies that ridicules those who don't. But it's a really good machine. Plus, the software a Mac comes with in its cheapest form is pretty good. I have lots of programs i'll never use of course, but then again if I ever want it (or could learn to use it), it'll be there. To say Apple is crap is just silliness.
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Apple isn't crap, it's just over priced for what you get.
 
#175
#175
That's why I said "Pro". It isn't for the avg. consumer. If you want to do nothing but surf the net, email, do some word processing, etc, then go out and get a $500 disposable computer. But if you have heavy lifting, like video/audio work, this is a great machine.
 
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