pit bulls i hate em

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Behr1213 said:
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Look at it this way. You must just be a really good owner if your vicious golden has never attacked any children.

No doubt, the way a dog is raise plays a LOT into their behavior, but there is no doubt that some breeds are genetically predisposed to certain behavior. If you raise a golden in an abusive atmosphere, they will be really submissive and scared of everyone. If you raise a pitbull in an abusive atmosphere, they will **** somebody up.
 
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I've never met a single golden or lab that is people aggressive. I'm sure there are some, but I would estimate half the pit bulls I've met are aggressive (in most situations). Obviously, it's a rare dog that is always people aggressive. But, I would say only half the pits I meet are "well behaved" or what I would consider non-threatening.
 
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Thrasher865 said:
Look at it this way. You must just be a really good owner if your vicious golden has never attacked any children.

No doubt, the way a dog is raise plays a LOT into their behavior, but there is no doubt that some breeds are genetically predisposed to certain behavior. If you raise a golden in an abusive atmosphere, they will be really submissive and scared of everyone. If you raise a pitbull in an abusive atmosphere, they will **** somebody up.
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Not sure where you are going with this (my fault for not understanding).

My point to that post was he didn't know what he was talking about.

I've only been around two Pits for any length of time, both sweet as could be. BUT, I am certain if a child poked either one in the eye (by mistake while playing), that child would probably lose a hand. If Behr gets poked in the eye by a child (playing or being mean) Behr loses an eye.

This is a tough subject.

I honestly don't believe Pits are as bad as perceived, but I also know they are a bit more aggressive than a lot of other breeds, why? IMO, it is the owners. Even my neighbor thinks it's "cool" to have a Pit. He is a good owner, but he F's with her all the time. Good owners or not, Pits are treated differently than other breeds.
 
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I find that Chihuahas are usually the most aggressive breed. Mean little bastards. Plus they always want me to drive them to taco bell. What's up with that?
 
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Behr1213 said:
Not sure where you are going with this (my fault for not understanding).

My point to that post was he didn't know what he was talking about.

I've only been around two Pits for any length of time, both sweet as could be. BUT, I am certain if a child poked either one in the eye (by mistake while playing), that child would probably lose a hand. If Behr gets poked in the eye by a child (playing or being mean) Behr loses an eye.

This is a tough subject.

I honestly don't believe Pits are as bad as perceived, but I also know they are a bit more aggressive than a lot of other breeds, why? IMO, it is the owners. Even my neighbor thinks it's "cool" to have a Pit. He is a good owner, but he F's with her all the time. Good owners or not, Pits are treated differently than other breeds.
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Agreed. There are people around here that have pits for the sole purpose of looking cool and worse for fighting them. That in my opinion is horrible. No animal deserves to have to live the way some of them do. These are the ones I would be weary of turning my back on.
 
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theFallGuy said:
I find that Chihuahas are usually the most aggressive breed. Mean little bastards. Plus they always want me to drive them to taco bell. What's up with that?
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Maybe you should tell your girlfriend that Taco Bell gives you excessive gas.
 
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Behr1213 said:
Not sure where you are going with this (my fault for not understanding).

My point to that post was he didn't know what he was talking about.

I've only been around two Pits for any length of time, both sweet as could be. BUT, I am certain if a child poked either one in the eye (by mistake while playing), that child would probably lose a hand. If Behr gets poked in the eye by a child (playing or being mean) Behr loses an eye.

This is a tough subject.

I honestly don't believe Pits are as bad as perceived, but I also know they are a bit more aggressive than a lot of other breeds, why? IMO, it is the owners. Even my neighbor thinks it's "cool" to have a Pit. He is a good owner, but he F's with her all the time. Good owners or not, Pits are treated differently than other breeds.
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The first part of my post was sarcasm. The second part was kinda saying exactly what you just said. Any dog can be sweet in the right envinroment, but the way a dog reacts to certain environments varies from breed to breed.

Goldens, labs, etc are nice no matter the environment, for the most part. They will become submissive. Pits react in a completely different way. They will become aggressive.
 
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Georgia Peach said:
I was always under the impression as a child that Rottweilers were the most dangerous/aggressive.
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Rottweilers are another breed that gets a bad rep. I own a Rott mix, and I love him, but I'm not gonna sit here like sc and claim that it's completely unwarranted.

The thing is, Rottweilers are really protective. They are not generally as aggressive as pits can be, but if they're raised in an environment that isn't nurturing, they can be. Rocky is great with kids and people, but I know there are situations that he wouldn't behave well in.

He can be dog aggressive, but he's too much of a puss to actually bite another dog, and he only shows aggression in a limited number of scenarios. One scenario is with pit bulls. Nice or mean, he hates pit bulls and great danes.

The hatred for pits is warranted, as he lived down the street from some really dog aggressive pits for a couple years. The hatred for great danes is probably just because they are big as fuggin horses, and he doesn't know what to do about a dog that's actually bigger than he is.
 
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Another thing is, I wouldn't call it dog "aggressive," because he doesn't seek them out and try to pick a fight with them, but if they come near him, he will not give them a chance to play nice. He jumps straight into barking and growling at them. I'd call this behavior defensive, not aggressive.
 
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Of course it's nonsensical to be "all in" one way or the other but I gotta tell you...the more I dig the more the "smoke" is starting to get closer to "fire" in regards to there being a legit bias against pits. That's not addressing every pit. Hell, not even the majority of pits. But by way of direct comparison to other breeds it really doesn't look good.

Pit Bulls Lead 'Bite' Counts Across U.S. Cities and Counties - DogsBite.org
 
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Thrasher865 said:
Rottweilers are another breed that gets a bad rep. I own a Rott mix, and I love him, but I'm not gonna sit here like sc and claim that it's completely unwarranted.

The thing is, Rottweilers are really protective. They are not generally as aggressive as pits can be, but if they're raised in an environment that isn't nurturing, they can be. Rocky is great with kids and people, but I know there are situations that he wouldn't behave well in.

He can be dog aggressive, but he's too much of a puss to actually bite another dog, and he only shows aggression in a limited number of scenarios. One scenario is with pit bulls. Nice or mean, he hates pit bulls and great danes.

The hatred for pits is warranted, as he lived down the street from some really dog aggressive pits for a couple years. The hatred for great danes is probably just because they are big as fuggin horses, and he doesn't know what to do about a dog that's actually bigger than he is.
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The reality is that dogs are only as good as their owners. I like to think of each animal as having individual characteristics as opposed to grouping them. Obviously they will have some inborn qualities, but it's also the nurture side of things that counts as well. I have never been in that situation and I wouldn't judge a breed just because of certain incidents.

Even though my Lola is only 6 pounds and stands roughly a foot from the floor, she can be very nervous and aggressive when there are children around. I do not let her around children because she yipps and growls. Size does not matter to me. It can be a small or big dog, they can all cause harm. She has never bitten anyone or caused serious harm because she is, after all, a Chihuahua, but she does display potential and that keeps me very guarded in those situations.
 
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I'm not surprised that Rotts don't show up in the lists of top breeds. In fact, I looked at a few states' data in the comments (which may or may not be accurate), and labs outranked rotts. Like I said, Rotts are defensive, not aggressive. They will bark and scare the **** out of you, but generally won't bite unless backed into a corner. Pits WILL come after you, if provoked. A rott will usually back down once you turn tail and run.
 
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hndog609 said:
Of course it's nonsensical to be "all in" one way or the other but I gotta tell you...the more I dig the more the "smoke" is starting to get closer to "fire" in regards to there being a legit bias against pits. That's not addressing every pit. Hell, not even the majority of pits. But by way of direct comparison to other breeds it really doesn't look good.

Pit Bulls Lead 'Bite' Counts Across U.S. Cities and Counties - DogsBite.org
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There is obviously a reason people feel the way they do about Pits. But saying they should all be euthanized because of a majority stat is drastic, IMO. If they personally attack a child or person then I think that person should be held accountable and the proper legal steps taken towards that dog. It's like going out and attacking all Great Whites because of the heightened incidents around certain seasons. They are just following instincts and at the end of the day they are animals. It is up to the owner to enforce the civility and domesticity in pets. JMO.
 
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Georgia Peach said:
There is obviously a reason people feel the way they do about Pits. But saying they should all be euthanized because of a majority stat is drastic, IMO. If they personally attack a child or person then I think that person should be held accountable and the proper legal steps taken towards that dog. It's like going out and attacking all Great Whites because of the hightened incidents around certain seasons. They are just following instincts and at the end of the day they are animals. It is up to the owner to enforce the civility and domesticity in pets. JMO.
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I tried to domesticate a Great White once, didn't work to well. Especially since I don't live near the ocean.
 
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Who said they should all be euthanized? Alls I'm sayin' is when you approach a pit, regardless of the situation or their reputation, you should be cautious. And pit owners should be extra cautious about how they control their animal.

I do not like seeing pits off lead in the dog park. It makes me nervous.

I saw a pit bite the neck of a collie in Victor Ashe dog park a couple years ago and the owners had to take the dog to the emergency room. The owner put the pit on a leash for a few minutes, with blood dripping down it's chin, and then took him back off minutes later.

Owners like this should be euthanized.
 
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