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[VOLinthaNATI]

Between the years 1997-1999, at UT, yes.

Start up a poll on this, I would be curious to see the results, I have to got to believe less than 10% percent of people would agree with you...

 

[Tenn_Vol_Authority]

Not seeing eye-to-eye with you on that one.

Johnny was robbed of the award by a player on a losing team, so saying that helps his argument is crap.

***Jim Brown finished 3rd in 1957***

Johnny has less of an argument than Jim Brown, imo.

 

[tvolsfan]

No, but if Leinhart or Bush played anywhere in the SEC other than UF (and I'm assuming exact stats), they don't win the Heisman.

If they put up those numbers, and lead their team to a championship, then yes, they do.

 

[therealUT]

No, but if Leinhart or Bush played anywhere in the SEC other than UF (and I'm assuming exact stats), they don't win the Heisman.

Leinhart...maybe not.

If you think Bush would not have won the Heisman though...right.

Bo Jackson and Herschel Walker must have played in the north.

 

[justingroves]

Disagree all you want. Tee Martin won a National Championship with the same supporting cast (minus Little and Terry Fair). Peyton did not.

Trey Teague and Marcus Nash were insignificant...

 

[VOLinthaNATI]

No, but if Leinhart or Bush played anywhere in the SEC other than UF (and I'm assuming exact stats), they don't win the Heisman.

That is completely asinine...Reggie Bush was and will go down as one of the best college football players in history...

 

[therealUT]

Start up a poll on this, I would be curious to see the results, I have to got to believe less than 10% percent of people would agree with you...

I don't form my beliefs upon polls.

 

[justingroves]

***Jim Brown finished 3rd in 1957***

Johnny has less of an argument than Jim Brown, imo.

TVA is being intelligent

 

[Ohio Vol]

7 SEC Heisman winners in....what, 71 times awarded?

 

[justingroves]

That is completely asinine...Reggie Bush was and will go down as one of the best college football players in history...

Agreed.

 

[tvolsfan]

So what does Jim Brown have to do with something 50 years later? Nothing.

 

[therealUT]

Trey Teague and Marcus Nash were insignificant...

Manning had Marcus Nash...

 

[justingroves]

So what does Jim Brown have to do with something 50 years later? Nothing.

It shows that the best player (the deserving) doesn't always win the Heisman.

 

[justingroves]

Manning had Marcus Nash...

Tee did not

 

[tvolsfan]

It shows that the best player (the deserving) doesn't always win the Heisman.

Yes, but sometimes they do. 1997 was one of those years.

 

[Tenn_Vol_Authority]

Champ Bailey also put up substantially better numbers in 1998 than Woodson did in 1997. Of course, no one had him as a Heisman candidate.

So did Torry Holt in 1998...

 

[The Dude]

7 SEC Heisman winners in....what, 71 times awarded?

It's a yankee award....I'm not saying nobody from the south has never won the award, but the media always will lean to a Little 11, Notre Dame, or other midwest team.

 

[tvolsfan]

It shows that the best player (the deserving) doesn't always win the Heisman.

Jason White fits that.

Must have been northern bias.

 

[therealUT]

Tee did not

Which further proves my point.

 

[The Dude]

So what does Jim Brown have to do with something 50 years later? Nothing.

That the best player doesn't win.

It's whoever the media or Betty George feels like voting for.

 

[tvolsfan]

It's a yankee award....I'm not saying nobody from the south has never won the award, but the media always will lean to a Little 11, Notre Dame, or other midwest team.

Fine, since 1997, tell me who the winnners should have been.

 

[VOLinthaNATI]

Jason White fits that.

Must have been northern bias.

Go look at Jason White's stats the year he won the heisman and find another qb from a BCS conference whose stat's were better...

 

[tvolsfan]

Larry Fitzgerald should have won that year. Him or Chris Perry.

 

[therealUT]

It's a yankee award....I'm not saying nobody from the south has never won the award, but the media always will lean to a Little 11, Notre Dame, or other midwest team.

Yes, they have certainly leaned towards Notre Dame lately. Once over the past 43 years...

 

[Tenn_Vol_Authority]

Between the years 1997-1999, at UT, yes.

That is a bold statement. If you would have said Peyton vs Brandon Stewart, you might have a better case than Peyton vs Martin.