'12 TX LB Dalton Santos (Texas Commit)

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PaVolsfn said:
You make good points however the key thing is he is COMMITED to Tennessee. If you are holding out hope from your dream school, dont commit, dont take up a scholarship, dont put UT in a situation where they tell Henderson to look elsewhere because you are COMMITED. Thats the problem in this situation and many others. Hell, some kids commit and during the interview to announce it they say they'll still take visits. Dont COMMIT if you arent ready to honor it. I like Santos and I get the whole dream school but dont commit if you're waiting on your dream offer unless your ready to say no to it which is what he should do.
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Same could be said about schools asking players to look around. Don't offer if you know you're going to get someone better.
 
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The Waco Kid said:
I love how fans/coaches get mad at kids and their definition of committed..........only to see coaches jump to better opportunities when they promise the kid they will be their coach all 4 years or they start recruiting over said kids head and try and keep it from the kid, or get irked when the kid thinks it might be in their best interest to re-open their commitment.

Loyalty and commitment is a two-way street imo.
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Pretty much the same thing you said 100 pages ago. Thanks, but please no more
 
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PaVolsfn said:
You make good points however the key thing is he is COMMITED to Tennessee. If you are holding out hope from your dream school, dont commit, dont take up a scholarship, dont put UT in a situation where they tell Henderson to look elsewhere because you are COMMITED. Thats the problem in this situation and many others. Hell, some kids commit and during the interview to announce it they say they'll still take visits. Dont COMMIT if you arent ready to honor it. I like Santos and I get the whole dream school but dont commit if you're waiting on your dream offer unless your ready to say no to it which is what he should do.
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You make very valid points; however, they seem to be points of someone who is aged (only a little - no disrespect intended) and has some life experience. The most basic part of all of this is that we are talking about kids....kids, not adults...kids (a little AI reference).

Take the military, for example. Seven year veteran of the United States Army myself. Why is it you think the military is an "enlistment?" The adults who created the system and keep it running are smart enough to know that if not contractual, once those kids get to basic training they are going to DE-commit from their commitment to the military. I can't tell you how many days and nights I wanted to go home when I was in basic....at 17!!

I am as commited to Tennessee as any other poster on this site, and I will "hate" (I use that loosely) Santos if he doesn't come to Tennessee. I will hope that every running back in the Big 12 (with only ten teams...weird) runs over him like Bo Jackson ran over Brian Bosworth (SEC over Big 12) on Monday Night Football if he goes to Texas. But he is still a kid and allowed to change as the circumstances change.

I get your heartburn, and in a perfect world you are right. But we aren't in a perfect world and the fact remains that we are talking about kids...kids.
 
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Tux said:
Is there any truth to the story making the rounds that Santos will not know for sure if he will have a spot with Texas until NSD? If that is true, it would put UT in a bad position with any other recruits who are looking at the Vols. Someone will get left out and the Vols could have one open slot with nobody of value to fill it.
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wait, where did that story make the rounds? I posted a "shot in the dark" thing earlier today suggesting that as a POSSIBLE case.

I just want to make sure that question didn't internet-morph into a rumor the crazy way things tend to do in the recruiting halls of the interwebs.
 
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The Waco Kid said:
I love how fans/coaches get mad at kids and their definition of committed..........only to see coaches jump to better opportunities when they promise the kid they will be their coach all 4 years or they start recruiting over said kids head and try and keep it from the kid, or get irked when the kid thinks it might be in their best interest to re-open their commitment.

Loyalty and commitment is a two-way street imo.
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I"m sure this never happens on Florida boards.
 
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RTGA said:
seriously, does anybody know what situation is at Texas in terms of how many more they can take? I just read on ESPN insider that Daje Johnson (WR, DGB backup plan) is about to flip from TCU to UTx. They have 24 verbals listed on their rivals site.
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Texas had some attrition, some bad attitudes were nudged out of the program - some of the residue from the 5-7 season. Texas could sign 26 kids.

If they were going to play him at MLB, then it's probably a no-brainer; however, they will probably move him to DE. Something to think about.
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I think ultimately he'll be a DE at Texas but he'll get every shot at MLB. I posted some stats yesterday - the Big 12 runs more than most around here think.

Is there any truth to the story making the rounds that Santos will not know for sure if he will have a spot with Texas until NSD?
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100% wrong - he has a Texas offer right now
 
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KSPVol36 said:
You're right....that is absolutely something to think about. I'm not saying this isn't the case with DS, but is the change in position something that is for certain or just VN speculation? If I were in a situation that I would have to change positions, I would have to consider what I wanted to end result to be....play college ball or would I expect to make it to the next level? No doubt the things you mentioned, if they are in fact the case with DS, should factor into his decision, but all things equal.....I'm going to Tennessee!!!
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All things equal, we all would go to Tennessee...once again a no-brainer! By what everyone is saying (granted it is mainly those on VN, but there are plenty of posters here who know a few things about football and have brought good view points about this situation) Texas will convert him to DE...reason is because you don't see 250 pound middle linebackers in the Big 12, because of the type of offenses that are run in the Big 12; however, a 250# MLB fits in perfectly in the 3-4 in the SEC because of the type of offenses that are run in the SEC...which is exactly what Tennessee is offering him. And if he goes on to rock it out at that position, that will be his future projection as a NFL player. He has never played DE...it will take him some valuable time to learn to play that position, as well as learn new schemes, etc. I still stand by what I have been saying, and that is, IF Dalton sits down and weighs EVERYTHING out in his recruiting and what will be done with him at each school, then it will become very evident to him and a no-brainer as to where he needs to spend his college career...at that place is THE UNIVERSITY OF TENNESSEE! GO VOLS!
 
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VOLsince68 said:
Good point, but I would have chosen The Vols no matter what if the offer was extended. I walked on at UT Martin in the mid 80's as a LB. If Tennessee would have given me any sort of look, I would've been on the hill as fast as I could. That is me personally.

With that said, he is way more talented and a better physical size than I ever was, so the change in position may be of more concern to him. I am referring to his possible aspirations of playing in the NFL someday. I knew there was no chance of that for me, but he has a chance. The potential change in position may hold him back from going to Texas.

Here's to hoping he's a VFL in the end.
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The other thing with your situation is that you walked on at UT Martin, so of course, it's a no-brainer that if Tennessee said, "hey, come up here and walk-on at a different position", then you would go. You would go, even if you were on scholarship at UT Martin, most likely. I know that I probably would too. However, comparing UT to UT Martin...well, there is no comparison as you know. However, comparing the programs of UT and Texas is more on an equal basis. It's not like he's coming to some lower tier program at UT...yes, we have been down, but we are still one of the top 10 programs in the country, and everyone knows (including these recruits in this class) that we are on the way back...it's only a matter of a short time (hopefully :)) Also, he has to know that his potential future for the NFL has a much higher ceiling if he stays at his natural position, which is MLB. It is a HUGE risk to make a position change...who knows how he will fit into that position? That's the question...he may be terrible! He may be awesome and better than at MLB, but it's a huge risk because no one knows, including himself.
 
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I think ultimately he'll be a DE at Texas but he'll get every shot at MLB. I posted some stats yesterday - the Big 12 runs more than most around here think. - Tried to quote the Texas fan, but it didn't do it. This was his statement.

I think the difference is how the two conferences run the ball. Big difference between how LSU, Alabama, and Tennessee run the ball compared to running the ball out of the spread. SEC has more of a power feel to it while Big 12 teams seem to rely more on the speed trying to get around the edge. Texas moved more to a power running attack this year and it definitely had a different feel to what they had been running and what other Big 12 teams are still running.
 
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PaVolsfn said:
You make good points however the key thing is he is COMMITED to Tennessee. If you are holding out hope from your dream school, dont commit, dont take up a scholarship, dont put UT in a situation where they tell Henderson to look elsewhere because you are COMMITED. Thats the problem in this situation and many others. Hell, some kids commit and during the interview to announce it they say they'll still take visits. Dont COMMIT if you arent ready to honor it. I like Santos and I get the whole dream school but dont commit if you're waiting on your dream offer unless your ready to say no to it which is what he should do.
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I am having a hard time following this post. You take issue with Santos looking at Texas, potentially his dream school, because he committed to the Vols and his commitment caused the Vols to tell Henderson to look around. In other words, you're mad that he committed when he was not absolutely sure he was going to stay committed if Texas came calling. Didn't Tennessee also commit to Cross, Redding, and Henderson by telling them they had commitable scholarship offers only to pull the chair out from under them when the music was about to end (i.e., NSD) to make way for more coveted players? Also, Santos needed to make sure he had a scholarship in hand at a great football program. He did that when he committed to the Vols and it was far from a guarantee that he would get the Texas offer. Recruiting is a difficult, dirty, and liquid game. I agree with the sentiment that, once you make a committment, you should stay committed but these verbal commitments aren't binding until the pen is put to paper. This is a two-way street for both the players and the coaches/schools and players and coaches/schools are victims every year (my guess is more players than coaches are victims). At the end of the day, I want Santos to be a Vol and I believe he will remain a Vol but, if he was a less coveted player (a la Henderson), he could have the Vols offer pulled on him even up until NSD because it has happened and will continue to happen here just like at every other great, and not so great, football program in the country. So, in conclusion, if you're so mad at Santos you should be equally mad at Dooley and Co. for Cross, Redding, and Henderson. I am not mad at any of the parties because it is the unfortunate nature of college recruiting.
 
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because you don't see 250 pound middle linebackers in the Big 12, because of the type of offenses that are run in the Big 12
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This just isn't true. The player expected to start at MLB next season for Texas is Steve Edmond and he is 6'3" 255. Texas has several other LBs in the 240s.
 
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The Waco Kid said:
I love how fans/coaches get mad at kids and their definition of committed..........only to see coaches jump to better opportunities when they promise the kid they will be their coach all 4 years or they start recruiting over said kids head and try and keep it from the kid, or get irked when the kid thinks it might be in their best interest to re-open their commitment.

Loyalty and commitment is a two-way street imo.
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Your funny. Seems everytime you post something you think you have it all figured out- you must be one smart cookie... yet you continue to waste your time on another school's message board where no one gives 3 sh@#$ about a single thing you spew! What's a matter, not allowed on FL's site?
 
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mreynoldsdvm said:
All things equal, we all would go to Tennessee...once again a no-brainer! By what everyone is saying (granted it is mainly those on VN, but there are plenty of posters here who know a few things about football and have brought good view points about this situation) Texas will convert him to DE...reason is because you don't see 250 pound middle linebackers in the Big 12, because of the type of offenses that are run in the Big 12; however, a 250# MLB fits in perfectly in the 3-4 in the SEC because of the type of offenses that are run in the SEC...which is exactly what Tennessee is offering him. And if he goes on to rock it out at that position, that will be his future projection as a NFL player. He has never played DE...it will take him some valuable time to learn to play that position, as well as learn new schemes, etc. I still stand by what I have been saying, and that is, IF Dalton sits down and weighs EVERYTHING out in his recruiting and what will be done with him at each school, then it will become very evident to him and a no-brainer as to where he needs to spend his college career...at that place is THE UNIVERSITY OF TENNESSEE! GO VOLS!
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First of all, remember that we are on the same team. I want DS here as bad, if not worse, than anyone else here. I think he can be an absolute terror. I think we are arguing in agreement to some degree. I think Tennessee is the better fit for him, but, at this point, we aren't just talking about fit. We are talking about the ever changing mind of a kid and his dream. I have a fifteen year old daughter and I don't even try to keep up with her thoughts....I leave that to her mother. She changes her mind like she changes her socks. In addition to that, she wants to go to UK....makes me want to puke!! I'm hoping that changes!!

Secondly, I'm not trying to dispute that Texas intends on making him a DE. That very well may be the case. I was just asking if it was VN speculation, regardless of the football intellect arising at that speculation (to which is it easy to see some of the football minds on here....and then some not so much), or if Texas has told him that.

With that, the information below is the LBs that Texas has on their roster right now. I don't know who starts, who is second string, etc, but DS is 6-2, 245. He seems to fit into their LB characteristics. I also looked at DEs; they ranged from 217 (!) to 279. So it could go either way.

Emmanuel Acho, 6-2, 245, Sr.-3L, LB
Aaron Benson, 6-2, 233, Fr.-RS, LB
Demarco Cobbs, 6-2, 215, So.-1L, LB
Steve Edmond, 6-3, 255, Fr.-HS, LB
Jordan Hicks, 6-2, 235, So.-1L, LB
Tevin Jackson, 6-2, 230, Fr.-HS, LB
Chet Moss, 6-2, 242, Fr.-HS, LB
Cody Ramirez, 5-11, 195, Jr.-SQ*,LB
Keenan Robinson, 6-3, 240, Sr.-3L, LB
Brad Terry, 6-1, 221, Jr.-HS*, LB
Kendall Thompson, 6-3, 237, Fr.-HS, LB
 
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EB14GoVols said:
So what happens if he comes here and puts on 20 or 30 pounds over the next few years does everyone think he will stay at MLB?
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That is why is why I think he'll morph into a DE at Texas. He is like a clone of Brian Robison who came to Texas as a LB very similar in size to DS, switched to DE, started and was huge on the national title team and is doing well at DE with the Vikings.
 
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KSPVol36 said:
First of all, remember that we are on the same team. I want DS here as bad, if not worse, than anyone else here. I think he can be an absolute terror. I think we are arguing in agreement to some degree. I think Tennessee is the better fit for him, but, at this point, we aren't just talking about fit. We are talking about the ever changing mind of a kid and his dream. I have a fifteen year old daughter and I don't even try to keep up with her thoughts....I leave that to her mother. She changes her mind like she changes here socks. In addition to that, she wants to go to UK....makes me want to puke!! I'm hoping that changes!!

Secondly, I'm not trying to dispute that Texas intends on making him a DE. That very well may be the case. I was just asking if it was VN speculation, regardless of the football intellect arising at that speculation (to which is it easy to see some of the football minds on here....and then some not so much), or if Texas has told him that.

With that, the information below is the LBs that Texas has on their roster right now. I don't know who starts, who is second string, etc, but DS is 6-2, 245. He seems to fit into their LB characteristics. I also looked at DEs; they ranged from 217 (!) to 279. So it could go either way.

Emmanuel Acho, 6-2, 245, Sr.-3L, LB
Aaron Benson, 6-2, 233, Fr.-RS, LB
Demarco Cobbs, 6-2, 215, So.-1L, LB
Steve Edmond, 6-3, 255, Fr.-HS, LB
Jordan Hicks, 6-2, 235, So.-1L, LB
Tevin Jackson, 6-2, 230, Fr.-HS, LB
Chet Moss, 6-2, 242, Fr.-HS, LB
Cody Ramirez, 5-11, 195, Jr.-SQ*,LB
Keenan Robinson, 6-3, 240, Sr.-3L, LB
Brad Terry, 6-1, 221, Jr.-HS*, LB
Kendall Thompson, 6-3, 237, Fr.-HS, LB
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Lemme guess...you're a MAN and you're FORTY!
 
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