Arnett to transfer?

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thebjd said:
Our opinion would not matter. Dooley doesn't have to do anything and Arnett has to abide by his agreement. Why can't DA sit out a year and maybe tend to the ill father? DA has more options than Bryce Brown did.
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One thing you will notice if you go back through MY posts, Im not bashing Dooley for this decision. I dont necessarily agree with it, but he is giving the kid an option that puts him close to home (CMU is an hour and 15min from Saginaw) and gives him an option to get to the NFL. It is possible. But tougher.

Yes, I would love to have him at MSU and I think that a release to any school in the state of Michigan would be the right thing to do, but it is not my decision. Dooley has to do what he has to do, I just hope it doesnt come back to bite him in the PR dept.

As for sitting out a year. . . . Most D1 players would not want to do that. Arnett is not alone there.
 
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pl3 said:
Just saying Bullard walked on, as DA can do at Mich state.
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yes he could. He needs better advice from somewhere. Family? Friends?

Im not sure if he knows his full set of options. I have seen his twitter, but not recently. It is a mess.
 
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pl3 said:
Just saying Bullard walked on, as DA can do at Mich state.
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Yeah and I'm pretty sure Bullard did not know his father was already sick when he left home and went to ND. Two totally different situations, although some will try to make them the same.
 
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GatorBill said:
One thing you will notice if you go back through MY posts, Im not bashing Dooley for this decision. I dont necessarily agree with it, but he is giving the kid an option that puts him close to home (CMU is an hour and 15min from Saginaw) and gives him an option to get to the NFL. It is possible. But tougher.

Yes, I would love to have him at MSU and I think that a release to any school in the state of Michigan would be the right thing to do, but it is not my decision. Dooley has to do what he has to do, I just hope it doesnt come back to bite him in the PR dept.

As for sitting out a year. . . . Most D1 players would not want to do that. Arnett is not alone there.
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By signing day, Arnett will be completely forgotten. This will not be a "huge" PR problem.

I'm on record saying I'd release the kid unconditionally, but that is how I roll. If you don't want to be here...don't let the door hit you.

I also think that there are plenty of reasons to vilify Dooley. Kembrell Thompkins comes to mind first. I think the fact that Arnett has been released is sufficient given the entire backstory.
 
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GatorBill said:
As for sitting out a year. . . . Most D1 players would not want to do that. Arnett is not alone there.
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If his dad is legitimately sick, he's got a 50/50 shot that the NCAA won't make him sit.

I do agree that Dooley needs to release him to any school in Michigan. It looks childish on his part to say "Go to CMU but not MSU" but he's far from the only coach to do things like this.
 
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justingroves said:
If his dad is legitimately sick, he's got a 50/50 shot that the NCAA won't make him sit.

I do agree that Dooley needs to release him to any school in Michigan. It looks childish on his part to say "Go to CMU but not MSU" but he's far from the only coach to do things like this.
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Not really childish. Assume one of our commits (Danny O'Brien) went to visit Michigan. Who do you think Michigan is going to have in his ear badmouthing UT?
 
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GatorBill said:
yes he could. He needs better advice from somewhere. Family? Friends?

Im not sure if he knows his full set of options. I have seen his twitter, but not recently. It is a mess.
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Really typical of many kids today though. He wants it his way, and it appears that he wants to make a stink about it to try to get it 100% the way he wants it. That's not how things work when you have a contract or agreement, regardless of the personal issues involved.
If he just does what he needs to do, compromises and goes home, he can go wherever he wants and be on scholly next year, or even this year at some schools. He can even apply for a hardship as a walkon and get reimbursed or covered if all lines up for him.
It's amazing that this is so complicated and people are against the simple decision process.
Ask B Brown how bad decisions made early can end your career.
 
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tvols75 said:
Not really childish. Assume one of our commits (Danny O'Brien) went to visit Michigan. Who do you think Michigan is going to have in his ear badmouthing UT?
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There is no doubt that Dooley has legitimate reasons. It is not an arbitrary decision.

The discussion is led by the fact that Dooley looks so incompetent in other areas. When it comes to a decision like this where there is no completely right or wrong answer it is just going to add fuel to the fire.

In the end it is of little consequence. Either Dooley wins in 2012 or he is gone. That is simple enough.
 
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tvols75 said:
Not really childish. Assume one of our commits (Danny O'Brien) went to visit Michigan. Who do you think Michigan is going to have in his ear badmouthing UT?
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Arnett.

My point is this, a staff (not calling Dooley out as several make these asinine standards for releases) shouldn't worry about one upset player leaving. It makes the staff look insecure and childish.

You should be able to sell your program and not worry about what one 19 year old that obviously didn't want to be here thinks or says.

This goes for all coaching staffs, not just Dooley.
 
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Lexvol said:
In the end it is of little consequence. Either Dooley wins in 2012 or he is gone. That is simple enough.
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Maybe, maybe not. Unless he really tanks it next year (5-7 or even 6-7 assuming bowl loss), I bet he gets a 4th year.
 
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If I thought MU or MSU had been tampering with DA I would not release him to either of those places. If DA is truly wanting to go home to be with family CMU should be the answer he's looking for.
 
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VolsFanRJ said:
I guess my question would be, what is the real reason Arnett is transferring? Maybe it is his sick father, but wasn't he already sick? He said he mother only got to come see him play once this year. What did he expect during the whole recruiting process? He had been here and probably his mother too. They knew how far it was and they probably knew she wouldn't be at every game from the beginning. Sounds like the kid has just changed his mind, or is home sick. I'm not saying this is all it is, but seems to be a good possibility. If this is the case, I like what Dooley is doing. If he wanted to play football close to home, he had his chance to sign with Mich or Mich St in the first place. He had plenty of options. These kids need to think this process out a little more and they do need to be accountable. They have plenty of time to make their decision during the one to two year recruiting process. You can't just release all of them when they change their mind, because you would be doing it way too often. By his father being sick, it looks bad for Dooley and UT not to release him to a BCS school, but is this really the reason he is transferring? If it is, why did he ever go so far away to play football, when his father was already sick?
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Great post.

Homesick happens. I will try to keep this short:

I moved from Lansing MI to Gainesville FL the day after HS graduation. I had 82 different scholly offers and chose UF for 4 reasons
1) Loved the music program
2) Already had friends there
3) family in gville and was familiar with the area
4) Have been a Gator since about the age of 8
d) there was a skirt or two that I was chasing

But after I got there, and a few things started going wrong back home and everyday life got tough. I couldnt afford to go home on the weekends, and it was too far to drive all the time. At the end of the first year I packed it up and went back to MSU. Life had changed in the year I was away, and I needed to go back. And yes, I gave up a full scholly to do it.

Im not saying it is the only reason, but sometimes, at 17, you just dont know how you are going to react to being that far from home.

THE IMPORTANT PART:
This will be talked about with every recruit in the state of michigan for a few years now. Yall better keep an eye on dO'Brien because I can promise you that an assistant coach from um and probably MSU is in his ear right now talking about this. Recruiting sucks. Dont make me tell you recruiting stories. :loco:
 
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golfballs03 said:
Saban would do the same thing
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And it's still childish no matter who's doing it. It would be nice for a coach to be the adult in a situation like this.

If you can yank a kid's scholarship after one season, if the kid has a legitimate reason for wanting to go home, let him.
 
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justingroves said:
Arnett.

My point is this, a staff (not calling Dooley out as several make these asinine standards for releases) shouldn't worry about one upset player leaving. It makes the staff look insecure and childish.

You should be able to sell your program and not worry about what one 19 year old that obviously didn't want to be here thinks or says.

This goes for all coaching staffs, not just Dooley.
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AA should provide players with more protection than they do. The sole reason being that coaches can leave anytime they want to, and go anywhere they want to go.

Don't turn this into a discussion about "kids commit to a school not a coach". I've heard it all before.
 
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justingroves said:
Arnett.

My point is this, a staff (not calling Dooley out as several make these asinine standards for releases) shouldn't worry about one upset player leaving. It makes the staff look insecure and childish.

You should be able to sell your program and not worry about what one 19 year old that obviously didn't want to be here thinks or says.

This goes for all coaching staffs, not just Dooley.
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JG, didn't you say you own your own business? I could be mistaken. If so, I'm sure you deal with contracts. NCAA is big business and UT is big business. This is about contracts and agreements in place to protect the program, university and players, whether you believe it or not.
It's not about one 19 yr old. If you want out of contracts, you have to compromise, pay to get out, or you are stuck in them. That's just how it goes.
 
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VolsFanRJ said:
Questionable. He goes on and gets a bowl win, finishes 8-5, he is back, and it's not even up for discussion. JMO.
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Luckily, yo don't drive the discussion....Dave Hart does. Five losses with that schedule and a first round pick at QB doesn't cut the mustard.
 
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San Diego Vol said:
^ this is how I see it
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That's dumb to me.

If you're worried a guy that packed his stuff up and went home is going to sway a recruit, you probably aren't doing your job.

I know several coaches do this and they all look like dumbasses in these situations.
 
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justingroves said:
I do agree that Dooley needs to release him to any school in Michigan. It looks childish on his part to say "Go to CMU but not MSU" but he's far from the only coach to do things like this.
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I agree with you. 100%. But if he doesnt, then that is life. The kid just needs to pack it up and move on after that.
 
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pl3 said:
JG, didn't you say you own your own business? I could be mistaken. If so, I'm sure you deal with contracts. NCAA is big business and UT is big business. This is about contracts and agreements in place to protect the program, university and players, whether you believe it or not.
It's not about one 19 yr old. If you want out of contracts, you have to compromise, pay to get out, or you are stuck in them. That's just how it goes.
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A contract that's renewable on one end every year but is locked in place for 4 years on the other is a bullsh*t contract.

Tennessee will survive a slot WR transferring. It's not "protecting a brand" when a guy decides to quit. Let him and move on.
 
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justingroves said:
That's dumb to me.

If you're worried a guy that packed his stuff up and went home is going to sway a recruit, you probably aren't doing your job.

I know several coaches do this and they all look like dumbasses in these situations.
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I didn't say I agreed with what Dooley is doing, but agree that is probably what he's thinking
 
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