Could Dooley be ousted mid season 2012?

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sjt18 said:
Dooley's buyout under the current contract is $5 million until Feb '13. It drops to $4 million in Feb '14 and $2.5 million in Feb '15.

Dooley knew that under the best circumstances he was basically going to have to recruit a whole roster before having a good shot at winning big.... and negotiated a contract that might allow him the time.

Also.... UT owes Fulmer another $1 million that will conclude his buyout next November.
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Fulmer's last check is in June..
 
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Sudden Impact said:
So it is safe to say that CDD will not require an extension until 2015..... Where is the thread regarding the Coaching Staff because this thread addresses Dooley and not the staff....Again Speculation.....too many varibles....Magic 8 balls.

If the Fans have control of the program regarding the hiring and firing decisions then lots of luck getting a Coach or Coaches to come in and take the program under those conditions......or at least a qualified Coach...
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I looked and I don't have the assistants stuff so not sure on thread you are talking about. I just found out last week on Chaney's buyout is only reason I knew it. I assume Wilcox has at least that much if not more since he makes more salary than Jim.
 
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tvolsfan said:
No, because he went 6-7 the first year and 5-7 in year two. He finished last in the East in a year the East was arguably the worst it has ever been.
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Dooley inherited a team with a bad Sr class.... but a better Sr class than Jr or Soph class.

Like I said, guys being asked to risk their careers will know that.... just like the top shelf HC prospects knew the risk associated with the program when if finally fell to Dooley.

What are you talking the about? The fans have plenty of sympathy. Tennessee was more than willing to put up with a crappy record in 2010 and appears to have no problem retaining Dooley after an awful season this year.
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Really? Is that the gist of all these "what if" scenarios and imagining the worst? Is that where the "fire Dooley" now crowd is coming from?
The fans also gave Fulmer a decade after winning an SEC title before cutting him lose. UT fans have been VERY patient over the years.
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What do you think... honestly.... that has to do with a professional HC's decision to risk his career on the program? He will, and should, look at the most recent history because THAT is how he is likely to be handled.... not the way Fulmer was handled.
And UT fans are going to continue to have lowered standards for the program next year. If Dooley can't live up to those low standards, it's his problem, not Tennessee's problem.
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No. It is UT's problem. You are thinking that all the problems go away if Dooley is fired. You have to go the next step.... "What happens then?" You are failing to do that. There's no guarantee that a heavy hitter comes considering the state of the program... but there's not enough money even if they would.

If the answer to "What happens then?" is most likely "We take another shot at a potential up and comer" then you are better off enduring another 6-6 or even 5-7 season. You can tell the next guy: We gave him a legitimate shot.
 
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LWSVOL said:
I looked and I don't have the assistants stuff so not sure on thread you are talking about. I just found out last week on Chaney's buyout is only reason I knew it. I assume Wilcox has at least that much if not more since he makes more salary than Jim.
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I guess it is safe to assume Dooley stays and the staff transitions.....What a mess......

But the bottom line is why speculate and cause the Drama....there are so many what if threads on this board....I understand the passion and concern.....But to bring it back up time and time again......Of Course, we go 14 - O and there will be people asking this same question.....What if the next year he goes 10-4. The vicious cycle continues and thread starters love the drama on the boards and they are not always Trolls starting them......

Some people are not happy unless they are throwing wrenches in to the engine....or creating all the what if

What if the sky falls....the sky is falling....Whoever the next hire would be doesn't mean these threads go away...
 
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Another good thread would be: If the Vols average 50 points a game, the defense goes unscored upon, and they win the national championship; do you think Dooley will get a contract extension with a raise?
 
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tvolsfan said:
I find it hard to imagine UT not only accepting another terrible season next year, but also rewarding the staff. It's much, much more likely they'll just tell them all to get the hell out, even if some find that financially intimidating.
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Do the math.
 
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Cartervol said:
Don't agree with you there. Most of that class would have came anyway. We're stuck with a guy that has 4 losing seasons out of 5 of being a coach. I know he stepped into a pile here, but he's done nothing imo to think he's getting much done if ever here.
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I think he leaves a better roster than the one he found. Other than that... I don't know.
 
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Only reason he would be let go mid season is if Hart had one of the top coaches in the nation ready to come in and replace him. Which top coach will be out of work in Oct/Nov 2012? I cannot think of anyone, so it's probably safe to say that there will not be any such move made.
 
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Sudden Impact said:
I guess it is safe to assume Dooley stays and the staff transitions.....What a mess......
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I think this whole discussion is moot. 7-5 unless injuries again become an issue. snatch the Juco DL they are after and they certainly can smell 9 wins.

either way, they are going no where.. either likely get some adjustments to contracts. maybe not everyone, but some.

JMO (and opinions can be way wrong)
 
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1-7 in conference this past year is just hard to stomach. I mean really if weren't a couple favorable things happening in the Vandy game it could have easily been 0-8.

Lot of things to cleanup apparently in the locker room this offseason too.

They don't fix that running game, he should get his realtor on the phone in advance.
 
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LWSVOL said:
I think this whole discussion is moot. 7-5 unless injuries again become an issue. snatch the Juco DL they are after and they certainly can smell 9 wins.

either way, they are going no where.. either likely get some adjustments to contracts. maybe not everyone, but some.

JMO (and opinions can be way wrong)
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It is such a breath of fresh air to read a post that contains intelligence.
 
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sjt18 said:
Do the math.
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Just so you know, there's going to be a lot of financial issues whenever there is a coaching change. At what point is it no longer worth keeping him to save some money on the buyout? When ticket sales continue to fall? When donations drop significantly?

If you haven't noticed with Bama, the biggest thing that leads to increased revenue is winning. Prolonging the losing will be a financial nightmare, period.
 
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sjt18 said:
Dooley inherited a team with a bad Sr class.... but a better Sr class than Jr or Soph class.

Like I said, guys being asked to risk their careers will know that.... just like the top shelf HC prospects knew the risk associated with the program when if finally fell to Dooley.

Really? Is that the gist of all these "what if" scenarios and imagining the worst? Is that where the "fire Dooley" now crowd is coming from? What do you think... honestly.... that has to do with a professional HC's decision to risk his career on the program? He will, and should, look at the most recent history because THAT is how he is likely to be handled.... not the way Fulmer was handled.

No. It is UT's problem. You are thinking that all the problems go away if Dooley is fired. You have to go the next step.... "What happens then?" You are failing to do that. There's no guarantee that a heavy hitter comes considering the state of the program... but there's not enough money even if they would.

If the answer to "What happens then?" is most likely "We take another shot at a potential up and comer" then you are better off enduring another 6-6 or even 5-7 season. You can tell the next guy: We gave him a legitimate shot.
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The next guy who takes over won't be inheriting a situation anything like the one Dooley inherited. He'll know he has a minimum of 3 years unless he makes a complete ass of himself. Running off Dooley after 2012 isn't going to scare anyone worth a damn from taking this job. If the next coaching candidate is too scared to take the job because he's not sure if he can win 4 SEC games or beat Kentucky, it's probably a good thing he won't take this job.
 
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After the UK game, I think this team could lose to anybody. I'm not counting NC State as a sure thing, because we don't know what we have or which team will show up-- the unmotivated, outcoached team that may not feel like playing that day (re: UT/UK)... or the fired-up team that plays like they have something to prove (re: UT/Cincinnati). A few more of those UK-type performances, and yeah, I think Dooley could earn himself an early exit. I think losses to UF and UGA would stack the deck against him, and a loss to USCe (in tandem with the traditional Bama loss) would seal the deal. He'll probably finish the season, though, no matter what.
 
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tvolsfan said:
The next guy who takes over won't be inheriting a situation anything like the one Dooley inherited. He'll know he has a minimum of 3 years unless he makes a complete ass of himself. Running off Dooley after 2012 isn't going to scare anyone worth a damn from taking this job. If the next coaching candidate is too scared to take the job because he's not sure if he can win 4 SEC games or beat Kentucky, it's probably a good thing he won't take this job.
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It is a good point.....but who is going to take it....We all speculate on Dooley's Departure....Then we speculate on the replacement....2 years before it happens....but to be assured we are on the same sheet....Do you think this thing out beyond Dooley.....

Get rid of Dooley before 4 years, knowing how close this program was to ground zero when he arrived will clearly demonstrate this University has some serious issues.....and unrealistic expectations.....No coach wants a dead end job.......

I ain't buying it.....Sell it somewhere else......too many variables to speculate....Everybody is disappointed in the season....No doubt....but when you look at the pre season predictions they coincide for some strange reason.......
 
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Sudden Impact said:
It is a good point.....but who is going to take it....We all speculate on Dooley's Departure....Then we speculate on the replacement....2 years before it happens....but to be assured we are on the same sheet....Do you think this thing out beyond Dooley.....

Get rid of Dooley before 4 years, knowing how close this program was to ground zero when he arrived will clearly demonstrate this University has some serious issues.....and unrealistic expectations.....No coach wants a dead end job.......

I ain't buying it.....Sell it somewhere else......too many variables to speculate....Everybody is disappointed in the season....No doubt....but when you look at the pre season predictions they coincide for some strange reason.......
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People are acting as if UT should hold out for some dream coach who will come if UT holds on to Dooley for a while. If next year sucks, UT should fire Dooley and hire some coach who seems capable of turning things around. It's fine if it's an up and comer.
 
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tvolsfan said:
People are acting as if UT should hold out for some dream coach who will come if UT holds on to Dooley for a while. If next year sucks, UT should fire Dooley and hire some coach who seems capable of turning things around. It's fine if it's an up and comer.
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When it happens let me know....But if it is an up and comer the only change on the boards and by the fans will more than likely be the change of names....

When we let him go is the big question.... Mid Season next year is not an answer more than likely end of 2013
 
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Sudden Impact said:
When it happens let me know....But if it is an up and comer the only change on the boards and by the fans will more than likely be the change of names....
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Who cares about change on the boards? The only real change on the boards will come with a change in results. That won't happen until a quality coach is hired.

When we let him go is the big question.... Mid Season next year is not an answer more than likely end of 2013
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You may be right, but that's because it's hard to see Dooley being bad enough to not get at least 8 wins next year. The schedule really is a lot easier. UT should be flat better than the 4 OOC opponents, Vandy, Kentucky, and Mississippi State. They should be better than Florida, and I don't know too much about Missouri, but I don't expect they'll have a better team than Tennessee, either.
 
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tvolsfan, Serious question.... have you ever fired anyone and replaced them? Have you ever dealt with anyone with performance issues as their boss?

Have you EVER had to think about the things we're trying to get you to think about?
 
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