Could Dooley be ousted mid season 2012?

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sjt18 said:
Yeah... just playing the what if game because I feel like it this time.

Dooley can be replaced... just not by anyone with the type of resume these clowns think UT needs.

And you are right... if they see a guy inherit the situation Dooley took over and get run out of town by a bunch of irrational fans in less than 3 years... they won't touch the job at any price.
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I'm not sure why people think this. He's not going to be fired for failing to win the SEC. Everyone knows he expectations for the last couple years have been low. The fact is he's failing to live up to low expectations on the field.
 
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sjt18 said:
Yeah because DrunkJohnny has about $10 million laying around and nothing to do with it... $5 million covers the buyout and another $5 million toward that "big name" coach he believes can wave a magic wand and fix UT's talent and experience problems in a flash.
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if it happens during or after 2012 season, buyout is in excess of 6 million. CDD;s buyout is 5 and CJC's buyout is 1 million. I'm not certain what the other coaches are but I'm going to guess another 1 to 2 million on top of the 6.

that puts you between 6 and 8 million paying off this staff and probably ponying up 3-4 million for next staff first year. If they go nuts, 5-7 million.

with reserves at less than 5 million already (by comparison, Alabama's reserves exceed 100 million) due to all the coaches we have been paying off, I have a very difficult time seeing them biting that off unless its a really horrible season (2012 won't be a losing record).
 
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LWSVOL said:
if it happens during or after 2012 season, buyout is in excess of 6 million. CDD;s buyout is 5 and CJC's buyout is 1 million. I'm not certain what the other coaches are but I'm going to guess another 1 to 2 million on top of the 6.

that puts you between 6 and 8 million paying off this staff and probably ponying up 3-4 million for next staff first year. If they go nuts, 5-7 million.

with reserves at less than 5 million already (by comparison, Alabama's reserves exceed 100 million) due to all the coaches we have been paying off, I have a very difficult time seeing them biting that off unless its a really horrible season (won't be losing record).
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How much less would the buyout be if Tennessee waited until 2013? 2014?
 
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tvolsfan said:
How much less would the buyout be if Tennessee waited until 2013? 2014?
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depends on what contract extensions they make.. if they retain them after 2012, will almost certainly have to extend contracts. extensions usually alter the buyouts
 
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Whats really bad is the fact we owe so damn much on Dooley if we get rid of him. He used that law degree to help him out on that one. Hamilton did the contract so why am i not surprised we offered that much a buyout to a guy with a losing record in the Wac. Hamilton was desperate to save his azz, which wasn't going to happen anyway.
 
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tvolsfan said:
I'm not sure why people think this. He's not going to be fired for failing to win the SEC. Everyone knows he expectations for the last couple years have been low. The fact is he's failing to live up to low expectations on the field.
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Why? Because UT lost to UK? Try Saban losing with a MUCH more talented team against ULM.

Who was the offensive threat vs UK for UT? It all went through Bray.... a guy coming off a broken thumb and playing with the flu.

EVERY coach remotely qualified for the job knows there are ups and downs. They know you sometimes lose games you shouldn't have lost. They realize things go against you sometimes. They KNOW the situation Dooley inherited and while you as a fan have no sympathy... they do. You will never be in a position to need patience... they realize that if they take over for Dooley then they might... but won't get it.
 
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LWSVOL said:
depends on what contract extensions they make.. if they retain them after 2012, will almost certainly have to extend contracts. extensions usually alter the buyouts
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Coaches aren't getting extensions and increased buyouts if the team is still terrible next year.
 
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Cartervol said:
Whats really bad is the fact we owe so damn much on Dooley if we get rid of him. He used that law degree to help him out on that one. Hamilton did the contract so why am i not surprised we offered that much a buyout to a guy with a losing record in the Wac. Hamilton was either desperate to save his azz which wasn't gong to happen anyway.
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ONLY someone profoundly stupid... and WAY too stupid to be UT HC... would have taken the job without a big buyout.
 
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Sudden Impact said:
Really????? His contract is intact until 2015....Buyouts are already set.
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they will need to extend assistants or lose them. Not necessarily Dooleys but assistants will need to be extended and perhaps Dooleys. They are currently getting killed on recruiting with dealing with the firing anyway. Will just be worse on the next recruiting cycle. If coaching staffs are not getting extentions, then the ammunition is there to say they are a short leash.

If they are not getting any extentions, then just cut them loose and move on to the next experiment.. the administration has to show them support after year 3 or they are just prolonging the eventual outcome....

JMO
 
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sjt18 said:
ONLY someone profoundly stupid... and WAY too stupid to be UT HC... would have taken the job without a big buyout.
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Not arguing that. You just offer it to someone other than Dooley, or just go with what should have been the logical choice ,interim.
 
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Cartervol said:
Whats really bad is the fact we owe so damn much on Dooley if we get rid of him. He used that law degree to help him out on that one. Hamilton did the contract so why am i not surprised we offered that much a buyout to a guy with a losing record in the Wac. Hamilton was desperate to save his azz, which wasn't going to happen anyway.
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I feel certain we did not offer that. I believe it was the only avenue to getting him.. less buyout would have meant chasing someone from a lower conference
 
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tvolsfan said:
How much less would the buyout be if Tennessee waited until 2013? 2014?
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Dooley's buyout under the current contract is $5 million until Feb '13. It drops to $4 million in Feb '14 and $2.5 million in Feb '15.

Dooley knew that under the best circumstances he was basically going to have to recruit a whole roster before having a good shot at winning big.... and negotiated a contract that might allow him the time.

Also.... UT owes Fulmer another $1 million that will conclude his buyout next November.
 
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sjt18 said:
Why? Because UT lost to UK?
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No, because he went 6-7 the first year and 5-7 in year two. He finished last in the East in a year the East was arguably the worst it has ever been.

EVERY coach remotely qualified for the job knows there are ups and downs. They know you sometimes lose games you shouldn't have lost. They realize things go against you sometimes. They KNOW the situation Dooley inherited and while you as a fan have no sympathy... they do. You will never be in a position to need patience... they realize that if they take over for Dooley then they might... but won't get it.
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What are you talking the about? The fans have plenty of sympathy. Tennessee was more than willing to put up with a crappy record in 2010 and appears to have no problem retaining Dooley after an awful season this year. The fans also gave Fulmer a decade after winning an SEC title before cutting him lose. UT fans have been VERY patient over the years. And UT fans are going to continue to have lowered standards for the program next year. If Dooley can't live up to those low standards, it's his problem, not Tennessee's problem.
 
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tvolsfan said:
Coaches aren't getting extensions and increased buyouts if the team is still terrible next year.
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I'm not arguing that. My point is, either extend them or fire them. its going to be subjective as to what is good enough to keep them and what is bad enough to fire them. What fans think may not be what the adminsitration thinks.. if they do not extend and they keep them, then they are only doing it for the smaller buyout after 2013.. JMO
 
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Cartervol said:
Not arguing that. You just offer it to someone other than Dooley, or just go with what should have been the logical choice ,interim.
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Interim just digs the hole deeper because of recruiting. No logic behind that at all.
 
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LWSVOL said:
I feel certain we did not offer that. I believe it was the only avenue to getting him.. less buyout would have meant chasing someone from a lower conference
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Well imo it was a knee jerk hire and right now he's only proven to be a decent recruiter. Hope that changes next year or we got exactly what we paid for.
 
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LWSVOL said:
they will need to extend assistants or lose them. Not necessarily Dooleys but assistants will need to be extended and perhaps Dooleys. They are currently getting killed on recruiting with dealing with the firing anyway. Will just be worse on the next recruiting cycle. If coaching staffs are not getting extentions, then the ammunition is there to say they are a short leash.

If they are not getting any extentions, then just cut them loose and move on to the next experiment.. the administration has to show them support after year 3 or they are just prolonging the eventual outcome....

JMO
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So it is safe to say that CDD will not require an extension until 2015..... Where is the thread regarding the Coaching Staff because this thread addresses Dooley and not the staff....Again Speculation.....too many varibles....Magic 8 balls.

If the Fans have control of the program regarding the hiring and firing decisions then lots of luck getting a Coach or Coaches to come in and take the program under those conditions......or at least a qualified Coach...
 
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sjt18 said:
Assistants will. If you hope to keep the good ones, they'll want 2 years minimum.
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I find it hard to imagine UT not only accepting another terrible season next year, but also rewarding the staff. It's much, much more likely they'll just tell them all to get the hell out, even if some find that financially intimidating.
 
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sjt18 said:
Interim just digs the hole deeper because of recruiting. No logic behind that at all.
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Don't agree with you there. Most of that class would have came anyway. We're stuck with a guy that has 4 losing seasons out of 5 of being a coach. I know he stepped into a pile here, but he's done nothing imo to think he's getting much done if ever here.
 
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